The Times - Paedophile priest forged links with Celtic Boys Club

Kellybrooksjugs said:
Just think, this isn't even a scratch on the surface of what happens in the RC church! Vile beyond belief.
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$3,000,000,000 paid out in lawsuits in The United States alone. It is a Worldwide monumental scandal. Worse than any pandemic. Why would you still attach yourself to that evil cult?

If Jesus Christ were here today, his work speaking out about the leaders at the time in Jerusalem being untrue to their tradition / torah would seem like a drop in the ocean compared to what he would be dealing with this lot nowadays.
 
You end up just getting pissed off reading that, especially since you have their club and fans completely blank the victims. How many people ruined from this over the years while they boast about how cash rich they are and use every deflection tactic in the book to avoid the subject, while even harassing the victims! So hope these bastards are taking down.
 
Beer Belly Loyal said:
Torbett and his cronies needed permission from Jock Stein to set that boys club up, Stein would have known what type of beast that place gave free reign to, but as long as he got players from the conveyor belt he wasn't giving a %^*& about the abuse going on.

Stein was a bad yin.
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I remember doing a minute silence for him before starting a youth game, thinking how sad it was and how we had lost a major figure in Scottish football.

It angers me now, that I gave that man even a minute of my time.
 
Alan1965 said:
IIRC about this, it was an agency cleaner that reported it and CFC dismissed it. Not happy with that the cleaner took it back to her employers who took it further.
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Would be interesting to know a bit more about this. The Times' doesn't specify which "management" the cleaners reported their find to, Celtic's or their direct employers, who in turn called in the police. If the cleaners took matters to their own bosses only after being cold-shouldered by Celtic's then it's yet more indication of that club's moral decrepitude.
 
I don't do twitter. Has anyone sent this as a tweet to Mike Graham?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1255383815557529600


A RADIO host has been accused of “weaponising child abuse” and spreading “anti-Irish” racism after a rant on social media.

In a now deleted tweet, Talk Radio host Mike Graham claimed to thousands of followers that Celtic was “the paedo’s football club”.

That came after being questioned by Twitter user John O’Connell, who asked why Mr Graham had not criticised the Government over a lack of quarantine for people returning to the UK during the coronavirus pandemic.
The host repeatedly called Mr O’Connell “Paddy”, sparking claims of anti-Irish racism.
After being called out for the “unacceptable” actions by Twitter user @TheEssexHoops, the host replied: “Celtic. The paedo’s football club”.
On Monday, the Parkhead club confirmed they had taken legal advice following what they called “pathetic” comments.
Now, a group “campaigning against anti-Catholic bigotry and anti-Irish racism in Scotland” have issued a scathing statement against Mr Graham.


A spokeswoman for Call It Out said: “Mr Graham has not only weaponised child sex abuse in pursuit of a petty social media dispute, but he has distributed a racist trope in which, on the basis of his victim’s perceived nationality he has abused his intelligence in a public forum.

“His display of anti-Irish racism is potentially a criminal offence - it is most definitely an example of the kind of racist, hate-filled discourse which makes minority communities feel unsafe and silences them in the public space.

“He, and his employers, should reflect on that.”

Mr Graham, a previous editor of the Scottish Daily Mirror and assistant editor of the Daily Express, now hosts the 10am-1pm Talk Radio slot after replacing Julia Hartley-Brewer in January 2018.

In February, Celtic issued an apology to the victims of historic sex abuse within the club and the Celtic Boy’s Club.

Four men associated with Celtic or the boys’ club – James McCafferty, Frank Cairney, Jim Torbett and Gerald King – have been convicted of historical child sex abuse.

A spokesman for Celtic Football Club yesterday said: “We have been made aware of these pathetic comments and have taken legal advice.


“We understand the tweet has now been removed. We do not believe this matter or the individual concerned is worthy of any further comment.”

Talk Radio and Mike Graham have been contacted for comment.
 
Archibald Leitch said:
Much like the one, from a chapel in Saracen St, Glasgow, who was found to be storing explosives for the IRA - sent to another diocese. I may be wrong but I don't believe he was ever charged.
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It's what they do. The law doesn't apply to them, they're allowed to have INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS and sort it out as they see fit. The whole world over, for centuries.
It's almost like the narrative is he's a priest, and can't be anything else. Well, he's well capable of being a priest, bheast, IRA gun-runner, embezzler and mass manipulator (pardon the pun) all at once.

On Orkney, it's the classic "Send him far up Northaways, no one cares about them and there's %^*& all of them anyway."
 
If you know there history, makes you absolutely sick, they think that they are above the law ,untouchables. Well done to all for there tireless work, spotlight type investigation. Let's hope the whole stinking ring and all the enablers are named and shamed . The whole culture needs fumigate.
 
jf1960 said:
And more too come
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I only see a result when the victims are represented with justice and future generations are protected from what is the most furked up and sickening stuff in sport. Never cared about the colour of the strip, more interested in finding a root cause of the problem. My gripe is that, that very argument seems to be unsavoury.
 
ScouseHairline said:
It's what they do. The law doesn't apply to them, they're allowed to have INTERNAL INVESTIGATIONS and sort it out as they see fit. The whole world over, for centuries.
It's almost like the narrative is he's a priest, and can't be anything else. Well, he's well capable of being a priest, bheast, IRA gun-runner, embezzler and mass manipulator (pardon the pun) all at once.

On Orkney, it's the classic "Send him far up Northaways, no one cares about them and there's %^*& all of them anyway."
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Indeed. Turns out I was wrong about him being moved, he simply high-tailed it (found this from 10 years ago). But nobody's gonna tell me in all honesty that the RCC didn't know, or couldn't have found out, where he'd gone.

Scotland's own 'IRA priest' who escaped justice 37 years ago
ON the evening of 22 March 1973, the deputy chief constable of Glasgow police knocked on the door of the presbytery of Our Holy Redeemer church in Clydebank and asked to speak to Bishop Thomas Winning.

• Left, John Sweeney was cleared by the courts after being found 'not proven'. Above, The Scotsman tells of the priest's suspension in 7 May 1973. Top, Caroline Renehan is led away from court to start a five-year prison sentence for her involvement in the plot. Near right, St Teresa's Church in Saracen Street in Possilpark where Father Bartholomew Burns was based before fleeing to Ireland. Far, right, Cardinal Thomas Winning was shocked by the revelations
In the study of the future Cardinal, the senior officer broke disturbing news: an arrest warrant had been issued for a priest in the Glasgow diocese in connection with IRA terrorist activities.
The revelation this week that a Catholic priest in Northern Ireland, Father James Chesney, got away with the murder of nine people as the architect behind the bombing in Claudy in 1972, finds an echo in the case of Father Bartholomew Burns in Scotland.




In both cases a Catholic priest dispensed with his vows to assist a terrorist organisation while the hierarchy, in the Chesney case, colluded in a cover-up, while in Glasgow they stopped just short.


Born in Sneem, County Kerry, in 1935, Burns, like many Irish priests at the time, was surplus to supply in his native land and so shortly after his ordination in 1960, became a curate, or junior priest, at St Eunan's in Clydebank, where he served for six years, before completing a second six-year stint at St Michael's in Parkhead.
He had not long moved to St Teresa's Church in Saracen Street in Possilpark, then, as now, one of the city's poorest areas when he assisted the IRA.
The story which Winning was told that spring evening was that in Burns' bedroom in the presbytery the priest had stored three cartons, each containing 210 sticks of gelignite, a total of 150lbs, 150 electrical detonators stored in an Aer Lingus bag, and various IRA documents, one headed "Notes for Unit Intelligence Officers" and another "Notes for Command Intelligence Officers", as well as Sinn Fein pamphlets.
Earlier in the day, three people, two brothers from Donegal and a 22-year-old Glasgow girl, Caroline Renehan, the daughter of Sinn Fein's Scottish secretary, had been arrested, but Burns had fled, driven away and then dropped off in the city centre by the parish priest, Fr John Martin.


Winning was stunned. But how, if they successfully arrested three others, did they miss Fr Burns? This was a source of embarrassment to the Special Branch who, during the subsequent trial of the three, admitted procedural errors had taken place. A surveillance team had tracked Renehan in a white Morris car and brothers James and John Sweeney in a black and yellow Capri to the chapel-house at St Teresa's where they were met at the door by Fr Burns.
A few minutes after they entered, Renehan came back out, collected a case from her car boot and went back inside. Later all four re-emerged and walked to the Capri. The Sweeney brothers were each carrying a white carton, and Renehan had a dark coloured case. Burns then went back into the house while the others drove off.
The driveway was then blocked by plain-clothes police officers and all three were arrested. While Burns witnessed the arrest from the windows of the chapel-house, at no point was he questioned. Concerned that they lacked a search warrant for the house, the Special Branch officers went back to Central Police Station, leaving two officers on a watching brief. They were told not to take action, unless something suspicious took place or anything was removed. Unfortunately, the police officers were not briefed on Burns's appearance, and so, 30 minutes later, when Fr Martin drove off with Burns, no-one intervened.
Winning was asked by the deputy chief constable to contact them if Fr Burns should contact the archdiocese and he readily agreed. In his opinion Burns now had a public duty to face these allegations, but it was not a sentiment shared by his fellow bishops. Bishop James Ward, the senior auxiliary bishop, with whom Winning had a difficult relationship, appeared on the verge of jubilation at Burns's successful escape. "Ward just seemed to pat me on the head and told me not to worry about it," Winning said in 2001.
 
The Church's attitude towards alternative authorities such as the police had always been distant in Scotland. The ghetto mentality from which the Church was beginning to emerge at the time meant it viewed both police and, particularly, the media, as sectarian and anti-Catholic; any co-operation was minimal and reluctant. In Bishop Ward's view, Burns' escape was a blessing to the Church which had been spared the embarrassment of a trial.
Two days later, Rennie McOwan, press officer for the Catholic Church in Scotland, who was entirely unaware of the events, received a phone call from Jim McQuire, a Catholic journalist on the Scottish Daily Express. McQuire had heard rumours that a Fr Burns was wanted by the police and was seeking confirmation. McOwan agreed to check and was disturbed when Winning confirmed the story. He was more disturbed that Winning had chosen not to inform him straight away and dismissed the bishop's reply that he had been told by CID to tell no-one, by replying: "The police give orders to CID, not the Catholic Church."
An emergency meeting was called between McOwan, Winning and Ward to discuss how to handle the resultant press inquiries. McOwan recalled: "Bishop Ward began to run the meeting in an autocratic tone, saying: ‘Who are the media to question us? This is none of their business.' I was tired and said that I had received no help from the archdiocese at all. TJ (Thomas Joseph Winning) went white and Ward got extremely angry and said he was willing to handle the matter himself. I then threatened to resign."
It took a ruling by Archbishop Scanlan, from his sick bed (he had pneumonia) to resolve the matter. Ward went upstairs to the Archbishop's private quarters to discuss the situation and returned to explain that Scanlan agreed with McOwan that a brief statement should be issued stating that Fr Burns was suspended for having deserted his diocese and that his whereabouts were unknown. McOwan's next concern was whether Fr Martin would be arrested and charged with aiding a suspected criminal, but Ward, once again, could see nothing wrong with his actions. "He was living in cloud-cuckoo-land" said McOwan.During the subsequent two-day trial of the three accused at Glasgow High Court, Fr Martin said he watched the arrests, had been informed by Burns that the boxes contained gelignite and saw that his fellow priest was "confused, agitated and very, very annoyed". Yet when Burns said he "wished to take the day off to compose himself", Martin said: "I took my car out of the garage and gave him a lift down the road to the Gallowgate, where he said he was going to see some friends. I did not want to know where he was going."


Both James Sweeney and Caroline Renehan lodged a defence blaming Fr Burns - who remained in hiding in Ireland - for the crime, though both were subsequently sentenced to seven and five years respectively. Sweeney's brother, John, was found "not proven" and upon his release he vowed to return to Ireland in search of the missing cleric. An attempt by police to extradite Burns was dismissed by a court in Dublin.
Yet the most disturbing insight into the Church's attitude towards the case occurred a couple of months later. One afternoon, quite by chance, Winning visited Archbishop Scanlan in his office and found that following a request by an Irish bishop, he was in the process of writing a letter of approval that would allow Fr Burns, still a wanted fugitive, to operate as a Catholic priest back in his native Ireland.
"Give him a job?" Winning said to Scanlan. "The guy should be in jail." Scanlan, according to Winning, was quite taken aback by the strength of his feeling and listened as he argued that it was unacceptable for Fr Burns to operate as a priest until he had returned to face the charges. Scanlan was convinced and the transfer was dropped.
Twenty-eight years later Winning said of the case: "I feel very sympathetic towards Ireland as a nation completely independent from England. I could never find a good argument for Britain to be there at all. But the end does not justify the means and you cannot justify terrorism. A man of God and a man of peace who takes up cudgels and is accused of storing arms and giving financial help to a terrorist organisation has no place in the Church."


Fr Burns never returned to Scotland, and today the Catholic Church in Glasgow said his whereabouts are unknown.
A spokesman for the Archdiocese said: "Bartholomew Burns fled from the Archdiocese of Glasgow in 1973, abandoning both the justice system and his parishioners in Possilpark. He did not seek and was not given permission to leave. The future-Cardinal Winning, who was at that time auxiliary bishop of Glasgow, ensured the Church co-operated with the authorities to try to bring him to justice.
"It goes without saying that the Archbishop, and the Archdiocese as an institution, would utterly condemn any activities by a priest which might involve offering assistance or support to a terrorist organisation."
 
Why did I not know that detail previously? The bag of photos found INSIDE the potato bowl?

I'm sorry, but that there is a Netflix documentary and months of headlines in itself. Wtf is going on?
 
Fat_zidane said:
Why did I not know that detail previously? The bag of photos found INSIDE the potato bowl?

I'm sorry, but that there is a Netflix documentary and months of headlines in itself. Wtf is going on?
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I thought it was an outhouse on the site of the stadium which was now demolished. Sure the larger thread had a map of the site.

But here’s the BBC report which suggests it was a storeroom inside the stadium.

 
Something something must be done about this surely to God its despicable how that club are not closed down . At every ground they play supporters of other clubs need to out them as the club that they are a cesspit of atrocities
 
Yet another disgusting filthy paedo and visits to CBC and CFC abusing young boys

The fact that Spencer is mentioned in the Celtc View confirms the association

Nonce FC and their separate entity excuse getting used again. Vile bastards

Another beast preying on boys and a Catholic priest too.

The holy trinity right enough - Paedo. Celtc fan. Catholic

When are this disgusting club going to get punished for their part in the cover ups ?

As OP there are more to be outed too !!
 
Beer Belly Loyal said:
Torbett and his cronies needed permission from Jock Stein to set that boys club up, Stein would have known what type of beast that place gave free reign to, but as long as he got players from the conveyor belt he wasn't giving a %^*& about the abuse going on.

Stein was a bad yin.
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Even the staunchest Rangers fan would concede that Stein’s managerial career has left an indelible impression on Scottish football. I wonder how many SepCo fans would concede that, by his actions, he has left an indelible stain on so many young men’s lives.
 
Fat_zidane said:
Why did I not know that detail previously? The bag of photos found INSIDE the potato bowl?

I'm sorry, but that there is a Netflix documentary and months of headlines in itself. Wtf is going on?
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I have mentioned this before and will do so until justice is done, the bag containing the 250 images were dated as being from one month.

Cullen worked at Celtic for 30 (thirty) years.

How many images were taken in 360 months of employment?
 
Fat_zidane said:
Why did I not know that detail previously? The bag of photos found INSIDE the potato bowl?

I'm sorry, but that there is a Netflix documentary and months of headlines in itself. Wtf is going on?
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Not wanting to sound glib, but Netflix could do a hundred episodes on this scandal, and still there would be more to uncover.

The sheer scale and enormity of it probably surpasses our worst fears . It is woven into the very fabric of our society .
 
What a trail of disgusting depravity leading to that place. Those poor boys.

Any building that has sinister,evil activities attached to it usually gets closed and boarded up.
 
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I'm not even sure Hollicom have the strength to shut down a Times article.
Perhaps the Celtic spokesperson will be quick to make comment the way they silenced Mike Graham
 
Alan1965 said:
IIRC about this, it was an agency cleaner that reported it and CFC dismissed it. Not happy with that the cleaner took it back to her employers who took it further.
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Hadn't realised this.

Isn't it very interesting that when I reread the article I did see that it says reported to management/bosses and not celtic management.
It's almost like it was written to let us think celtic called the police.
 
Neilstonger said:
Even the staunchest Rangers fan would concede that Stein’s managerial career has left an indelible impression on Scottish football. I wonder how many SepCo fans would concede that, by his actions, he has left an indelible stain on so many young men’s lives.
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I'll answer that one quite simply A.

None!
 
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