sg9375
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Fantastic work BN94. you have opened my eyes to horrors i didnt know happened. The sheer scale of this is industrial.We promised you more and we’re nowhere near finished yet.
Fantastic work BN94. you have opened my eyes to horrors i didnt know happened. The sheer scale of this is industrial.We promised you more and we’re nowhere near finished yet.
He certainly was mate.The more you read of Tommy Burns the more he was up to his neck in it all.
Agree wholeheartedly, unfortunately for everyone concerned, this will run for a while and then fizzle out, thought by this time there would be something more concrete from the law firm representing the lads caught up in this.Call me a cynic but this has been talked about for decades. A brief flurry of articles and then it disappears for years. Then another brief mention in one or two tabloids then it disappears for years again.
The Scottish mhedia simply don't have the appetite to run with this the way they should be. There's a reason behind this and we all know what it is. If this scandal had been linked to us rather than the scum, we would have been battered from pillar to post for years and it would still be going on.
I've heard it all 15 years ago, 10 years ago, 2 years ago etc etc and now I'm hearing it all again. Aye sellik and their separate entity of a boys club must be really crapping themselves - I don't think so.
Cover up then, cover up now
You can find some of these on YouTube. I'm sure one is on a page called Giro Productions.
Sure this is it
Guy that runs this page is the son of a well known prison escaper from Glasgow. He also has videos of Republican scum walks. You see him telling the police to jail protesters against one of the recent ones along the barras. Typical mentally challenged basically
The song he sings is creepy as fkThat’s creepy as %^*& at the start
Call me a cynic but this has been talked about for decades. A brief flurry of articles and then it disappears for years. Then another brief mention in one or two tabloids then it disappears for years again.
The Scottish mhedia simply don't have the appetite to run with this the way they should be. There's a reason behind this and we all know what it is. If this scandal had been linked to us rather than the scum, we would have been battered from pillar to post for years and it would still be going on.
I've heard it all 15 years ago, 10 years ago, 2 years ago etc etc and now I'm hearing it all again. Aye sellik and their separate entity of a boys club must be really crapping themselves - I don't think so.
Cover up then, cover up now
Its sickening.It's genuinely mind blowing that their abhorrent 'separate entity' lie hasn't been completely ripped to shreds by the Scottish media by now. Good on the Times for continuing to expose them.
What a slap in the face to every boy who played for CBC them trying to say you weren't actually playing for Celtic. Laughable.
One statement in that made me want to scream was from Devine.”Can you not let him off he’s an old man”.What the fu*k has that to do with anything.Like their church their football club have enabled paedophiles for decades.Time they were both torn down.Disgusting organisations.
I said it a long time ago. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that a paedophile ring was operating out of that club, spanning at a very minimum UK wide.
It's no coincidence Saville turned up at Celtic Park.
With the London Media now involved hopefully they join the dots.
It's the biggest scandal in the history of British Sport. Hundreds of innocent and vulnerable kids abused. Yet our First Minister would rather tweet last night about issues in US Domestic Politics that have no impact on our daily lives than fight for justice for families who live in the country she actually runs and is the figurehead for.
Our media and political class are an absolute disgrace.
Hope your right but this has been said for a very long timeWell done to you and all others working with you, I believe the biggest paedophile ring in WORLD sport may well just about to be exposed. All those involved in the cover up are hopefully bricking it.
Tommy Burns. Bad judgment or bad character? He is not around to defend himself, but he is looking worse and worse as time goes on.
It takes a different breed to use someone's services again after knowingly they have been involved in child abuse isn't that right Davie (Peace Process)Provan.In my opinion , there is no doubt that Torbett was both providing victims for and was protecting one or more senior board members of Nonce FC How else do you explain his appointment to these “prestigious” positions for years after they were made aware of his crimes. Someone must know
Any chance Torbett is talking to the reporter?
Child abuser Jim Torbett ran Tommy Burns and Sean Fallon testimonials for Celtic FC — The Times and The Sunday Times
A prolific sexual predator organised lavish official events with guests including a future cardinal and a bishop to celebrate the careers of Celtic FC players, The Times can disclose. Jim Torbett, founder of Celtic Boys Club, was found guilty of abusing boys between 1986 and 1994 and jailed for...apple.news
A prolific sexual predator organised lavish official events with guests including a future cardinal and a bishop to celebrate the careers of Celtic FC players, The Times can disclose.
Jim Torbett, founder of Celtic Boys Club, was found guilty of abusing boys between 1986 and 1994 and jailed for six years in 2018. He was given a two-year sentence a decade earlier for molesting players at the feeder club between 1967 and 1974.
It has now emerged that Torbett, 72, organised testimonial events for Tommy Burns, the former Celtic player, coach and manager, and Sean Fallon, a long-serving assistant manager and player, further undermining claims that Torbett had no connection with the Parkhead club.
Guests who accepted his invitation to honour Fallon — Jock Stein’s right-hand man and confidant — included an archbishop, a bishop, the Lisbon Lions European Cup-winners, and Celtic FC’s directors, players and management team. Being given responsibility for such prestigious events suggests he was highly regarded by senior figures within Parkhead at the time.
While expressing sympathy for his victims Celtic have sought to distance themselves from Torbett’s crimes, insisting that the boys’ club was an “entirely separate organisation”.
However, The Times has also revealed that Torbett was hired by Celtic to run their club shops, in addition to his coaching duties, in the early 1990s.
A report on Fallon’s testimonial dinner, held in November 1993, in the club’s official magazine, thanks “Jim Torbett and his associates for organising such a wonderful occasion”. The Celtic View confirmed the guests of honour included “the Celtic directors, Archbishop Thomas Winning of Glasgow and Bishop Joseph Devine of Motherwell”.
In 2018 the Scottish child abuse inquiry heard evidence that Winning, who in 1994 became the second Scottish cardinal since the reformation, offered money to a woman in exchange for her silence over sexual abuse that took place in a Catholic-run residential home for children in the Sixties.
After being elevated to cardinal he caused outrage by asserting that the church had no obligation to report alleged paedophile priests to the police.
In 2013 Devine, who died last year, told a man seeking an apology for being raped by a priest as a child: “Can you not let him off with it? He’s an old man.”
A programme for the Burns testimonial match with Liverpool, which took place at Parkhead in 1987, confirms that Torbett was vice-chairman of the organising committee.
Burns played for the boys’ club from 1970-73 and frequently attended club functions and prizegivings when he went on to play for the senior club and served as manager. He died of skin cancer, aged 51, in 2008.
Torbett was kicked out of the boys’ club by Stein, then the Celtic manager, in 1974 after hearing claims of abuse — but the police were not informed. Stein, who died while Scotland manager in 1985, had given Torbett permission to start the boys’ club.
In March 1984 The Glasgow Evening Times reported that Stein would be making a “personal appearance” at a branch of Torbett’s Trophy Centre on Kilmarnock Road in Glasgow.
After his sacking Torbett was allowed to return four years later and went on to molest more boys, remaining there until 1996 when claims of abuse appeared in the press. Passing sentence in 2018 Lord Beckett said: “You used the club as a front and a recruiting ground for boys who you could sexually abuse.”
In February Celtic said it was “very sorry” the abuse had happened but insisted the boys’ club was a separate organisation.
After Torbett’s 2018 conviction the club issued a statement which said that allegations of abuse at the boys’ club “first emerged in the 1990s”. It subsequently emerged that Celtic launched an internal investigation in 1986 which “cleared” Torbett and his colleagues and stated their intention was for the claims to be “buried once and for all”.
Celtic did not respond to a request for comment.
Never going to happen, you have certain type of their fans.Every one of us who directly or indirectly know Celtic fans have a duty to be raising these stories with them in a calm and reasonable manner.
The only way in my mind that this further break through into even more mainstream consciousness is by the Celtic fans somehow objectively looking at this and coming to the rightful conclusion that the narrative their club has built up is an absolute sham.
As those who have tirelessly worked to get to this stage know, it will be a unbelievably tough challenge to break through the mentally challenged self constructed defence of their club, but all it takes is to get through to some and word will spread. The game is up, their entire history is built on the abject misery of children and countless adult lives ruined.
Us frothing at the mouth and singing BJK isn't enough. If you know any of their fans then all football matters are off the table. I refuse to engage with anyone about league title nonsense or treble treble shite until they have the decency to address their clubs horrific past.
Any Celtic fan who show themselves to actually be decent humans and pressure their club into accepting responsibility should be encouraged.
This isn't an Us vs them issue. It is a moral issue far beyond red white and blue or green and white.
You will notice I refrained from Nonce FC chat and Bheasts etc.... It is time we took the tribal football hatred out of this. It is time for adults to address this issue separate from football rivalry.
Celtic's history is built on the abuse of children. It's time for their fans and their club to take responsibility.
Tbh mate they've brought all the name calling and slander on themselves on how they've dealt with it over the years. I'll be the first to admit I use it in point scoring arguments, but until they start to take on the responsibility they have as a club and support instead of the Neely Dunn patter it will never stopEvery one of us who directly or indirectly know Celtic fans have a duty to be raising these stories with them in a calm and reasonable manner.
The only way in my mind that this further break through into even more mainstream consciousness is by the Celtic fans somehow objectively looking at this and coming to the rightful conclusion that the narrative their club has built up is an absolute sham.
As those who have tirelessly worked to get to this stage know, it will be a unbelievably tough challenge to break through the mentally challenged self constructed defence of their club, but all it takes is to get through to some and word will spread. The game is up, their entire history is built on the abject misery of children and countless adult lives ruined.
Us frothing at the mouth and singing BJK isn't enough. If you know any of their fans then all football matters are off the table. I refuse to engage with anyone about league title nonsense or treble treble shite until they have the decency to address their clubs horrific past.
Any Celtic fan who show themselves to actually be decent humans and pressure their club into accepting responsibility should be encouraged.
This isn't an Us vs them issue. It is a moral issue far beyond red white and blue or green and white.
You will notice I refrained from Nonce FC chat and Bheasts etc.... It is time we took the tribal football hatred out of this. It is time for adults to address this issue separate from football rivalry.
Celtic's history is built on the abuse of children. It's time for their fans and their club to take responsibility.
And a Scottish government who excluded the churches and sporting clubs from their investigation.These revelations should be front page news on every newspaper in Scotland, but there is nothing, nada, zilch. The Scottish media are now playing a pivotal role in the continuing Celtc * cover-up to save the " good name of the club ".
I keep thinking that but it does. headlines for a few weeks but then brushed under the carpet again. I think the press and Celtic hope that it will carry on this way until all those involved have passed away etcI don't think it's going away. Not this time.
If any one of them say I’m point scoring, I will tell them they are complicit in the cover up, as all they are trying to do is stop me talking about it.Tbh mate they've brought all the name calling and slander on themselves on how they've dealt with it over the years. I'll be the first to admit I use it in point scoring arguments, but until they start to take on the responsibility they have as a club and support instead of the Neely Dunn patter it will never stop
Child abuser Jim Torbett ran Tommy Burns and Sean Fallon testimonials for Celtic FC — The Times and The Sunday Times
A prolific sexual predator organised lavish official events with guests including a future cardinal and a bishop to celebrate the careers of Celtic FC players, The Times can disclose. Jim Torbett, founder of Celtic Boys Club, was found guilty of abusing boys between 1986 and 1994 and jailed for...apple.news
A prolific sexual predator organised lavish official events with guests including a future cardinal and a bishop to celebrate the careers of Celtic FC players, The Times can disclose.
Jim Torbett, founder of Celtic Boys Club, was found guilty of abusing boys between 1986 and 1994 and jailed for six years in 2018. He was given a two-year sentence a decade earlier for molesting players at the feeder club between 1967 and 1974.
It has now emerged that Torbett, 72, organised testimonial events for Tommy Burns, the former Celtic player, coach and manager, and Sean Fallon, a long-serving assistant manager and player, further undermining claims that Torbett had no connection with the Parkhead club.
Guests who accepted his invitation to honour Fallon — Jock Stein’s right-hand man and confidant — included an archbishop, a bishop, the Lisbon Lions European Cup-winners, and Celtic FC’s directors, players and management team. Being given responsibility for such prestigious events suggests he was highly regarded by senior figures within Parkhead at the time.
While expressing sympathy for his victims Celtic have sought to distance themselves from Torbett’s crimes, insisting that the boys’ club was an “entirely separate organisation”.
However, The Times has also revealed that Torbett was hired by Celtic to run their club shops, in addition to his coaching duties, in the early 1990s.
A report on Fallon’s testimonial dinner, held in November 1993, in the club’s official magazine, thanks “Jim Torbett and his associates for organising such a wonderful occasion”. The Celtic View confirmed the guests of honour included “the Celtic directors, Archbishop Thomas Winning of Glasgow and Bishop Joseph Devine of Motherwell”.
In 2018 the Scottish child abuse inquiry heard evidence that Winning, who in 1994 became the second Scottish cardinal since the reformation, offered money to a woman in exchange for her silence over sexual abuse that took place in a Catholic-run residential home for children in the Sixties.
After being elevated to cardinal he caused outrage by asserting that the church had no obligation to report alleged paedophile priests to the police.
In 2013 Devine, who died last year, told a man seeking an apology for being raped by a priest as a child: “Can you not let him off with it? He’s an old man.”
A programme for the Burns testimonial match with Liverpool, which took place at Parkhead in 1987, confirms that Torbett was vice-chairman of the organising committee.
Burns played for the boys’ club from 1970-73 and frequently attended club functions and prizegivings when he went on to play for the senior club and served as manager. He died of skin cancer, aged 51, in 2008.
Torbett was kicked out of the boys’ club by Stein, then the Celtic manager, in 1974 after hearing claims of abuse — but the police were not informed. Stein, who died while Scotland manager in 1985, had given Torbett permission to start the boys’ club.
In March 1984 The Glasgow Evening Times reported that Stein would be making a “personal appearance” at a branch of Torbett’s Trophy Centre on Kilmarnock Road in Glasgow.
After his sacking Torbett was allowed to return four years later and went on to molest more boys, remaining there until 1996 when claims of abuse appeared in the press. Passing sentence in 2018 Lord Beckett said: “You used the club as a front and a recruiting ground for boys who you could sexually abuse.”
In February Celtic said it was “very sorry” the abuse had happened but insisted the boys’ club was a separate organisation.
After Torbett’s 2018 conviction the club issued a statement which said that allegations of abuse at the boys’ club “first emerged in the 1990s”. It subsequently emerged that Celtic launched an internal investigation in 1986 which “cleared” Torbett and his colleagues and stated their intention was for the claims to be “buried once and for all”.
Celtic did not respond to a request for comment.
Wouldn't mind seeing who was on McGrain's Testimonial Commitee or any other player around that time did they all just hire the same people and do you get paid for it
It’s from the times mate in the Apple platformthe article is from Apple News. i guess they are about to lose some customers. (Not many though a mhanks giro wouldnt stretch as far as any apple products)
After Torbett’s 2018 conviction the club issued a statement which said that allegations of abuse at the boys’ club “first emerged in the 1990s”. It subsequently emerged that Celtic launched an internal investigation in 1986 which “cleared” Torbett and his colleagues and stated their intention was for the claims to be “buried once and for all”.
Just watch and listen to it being debated over the coming months.
Spin is already underway
The apathy from the Government and SMSM tells you all you need to know about this country
Celtic did not respond to a request for comment. How many times have we heard this statement, it’s coming timmy slowly but surely and like scum it floats on the top before being wiped out.
On the website of the Times you have to click on the Scotland section to access the story. So presumably it hasn’t yet been deemed of national interest. At least not now. It’s the story of a cover up, or a cover up of a cover up which will pique national and even worldwide interest. For now though it seems that it’s really for Scottish eyes only and we all know the reaction ( or lack of ) we’ll get here. Maybe in the long run it’s the complicity of suppressing the story which will cause them the worst damage. I live in hope.It’s from the times mate in the Apple platform
It shows up the press in this country for what they are.Pretty telling article that.
I’m surprised. Not at the extent of the crimes but at the extent of the reporting. Sad isn’t it?
Clyde and BBC won't even discuss it on phone ins, posters on here had written confirmation from Bauer the owners who said it wasn't football related...yet a tax bill was because it could impact a football club?! The fact there is a multi million pound lawsuit hanging over them it very much is a footballing matter by the same reasoning.Just watch and listen to it being debated over the coming months.
Spin is already underway
Disgusting, but you expect nothing else from that scum club. You kick someone out the club (who you apparently don't employ or have any connections with) for abusing weins only to welcome him back and ask him to run events for you among other things while paying him handsomely for doing it. Were all these business opportunities handed to Torbett 'payment' for other services he was quietly providing?
Interesting section on Thomas Winning. I haven't been reading every article around this so I may have missed it, but is this the first we've seen the press connecting some dots and hinting at a wider network that Celtc were, at the very least, a part of?
How many people read the Times in Scotland ?.The Celtic account manager at Hollicom must be shitting himself to have a paper as respected as The Times running a series of damming stories on your client. I think they could bat this stuff away if it was coming from press of the calibre of The Record or The Digger but the whole country takes notice of the Times. Keep it coming, they’ve been deflecting this for too long and controlling the narrative.