Hearts & Partick Thistle vs SPFL Starts Today.

[Chris01]

“Lord Clark using his inherent jurisdiction to grant an order requiring disclosure of documents from the Respondents. means SPFL can’t hide correspondence/notes/phone records between them and Dundee/Aberdeen and others (including Celtic)“

At least we will get some of the truth finally.....

 

[Valley Bluenose]

I'll regret asking a question on this total clusterfùck of a thread, but can Hearts and Thistle bring the case back to court if they refuse to accept the SFA decision?

Yes. As can the SPFL of course.

 

[The Crimson King]

4th official


It’s going to Arbitration but the Judge rejected the notion that the panel list handed by SFA.

The Judge said that it must be an advocate or member of the judicial panel with 10 years experience as the chair.

... Sounds a bit like an independent investigation that a certain team offered to pay for then, doesn't it?

 

[Govanfront]

 

[chilebear]

I dont really care if hearts go down. I just want those corrupt bastards removed

 

[Thasunke Witko]

Anyone been on kickback ? What are the farts fans saying?

 

[whitbyontbear]

If Hearts feel that any decision made by the Arbitration Panel is flawed, the Judge has given them the right to go back to court and appeal it. This case is by no means over as the SFA will have to be very careful about who they appoint to their panel. This Judge seems to be aware of how many beans make five in Scottish Football and will be watching very carefully.

 

[Renfrew@UKGB&NI]

The annoying thing for me is if he was always going to send it back too SFA why the fook did it take 3 fcuking days listening to them to say so.

Unless your going into court to plead guilty, then it's always a long process. I just preferred guilty, get it over with.

 

[ArfieldGer]

All documents, phone records and messages must be turned over to the panel.

 

[Govanfront]

This will give you a taste of the SFAs panel and procedure.

 

[chilebear]

Geez a clue mate

 

[Valley Bluenose]

Anyone been on kickback ? What are the farts fans saying?

It was crashing with too many viewing. Now in lockdown for Members Only.

EDIT: Its open again now as of 1450hrs.

 

[Renfrew@UKGB&NI]

If Hearts feel that any decision made by the Arbitration Panel is flawed, the Judge has given them the right to go back to court and appeal it. This case is by no means over as the SFA will have to be very careful about who they appoint to their panel. This Judge seems to be aware of how many beans make five in Scottish Football and will be watching very carefully.

Exactly, you put it across better than me.

 

[Carlton The Bear]

All documents, phone records and messages must be turned over to the panel.

Let’s see if Neil has been busy with his delete key....

 

[BroomloanWATP]

“Lord Clark using his inherent jurisdiction to grant an order requiring disclosure of documents from the Respondents. means SPFL can’t hide correspondence/notes/phone records between them and Dundee/Aberdeen and others (including Celtic)“

At least we will get some of the truth finally.....

This is very, very good news.

 

[The Crimson King]

All documents, phone records and messages must be turned over to the panel.

This is the important part. Along with the requirement to ensure an experienced QC oversees the process, this judge has pretty much just given us the independent investigation Rangers wanted.

The SPFL would have wanted this overseen by your standard panel of place-men and good old boys. They've been told it isn't happening.

This might be decent news after all.

 

[bloodandfire]

This is very, very good news.

Depends on how much has disappeared already!

 

[RWL12]

If Hearts feel that any decision made by the Arbitration Panel is flawed, the Judge has given them the right to go back to court and appeal it. This case is by no means over as the SFA will have to be very careful about who they appoint to their panel. This Judge seems to be aware of how many beans make five in Scottish Football and will be watching very carefully.

An earlier post quoting 4th Official states SFA cannot pick judge or panel. (Unless I misunderstood).

 

[Alexmci]

Anyone been on kickback ? What are the farts fans saying?

Would imagine they are still equally blaming Rangers for getting relegated.

 

[Beer Belly Loyal]

All documents, phone records and messages must be turned over to the panel.

That'll be the cabal fucked then.

 

[Govanfront]

Geez a clue mate

Sorry it was a link to Blackadders trial for killing Melchetts pidgeon. Maybe someone else can post this will sum up the SFAs procedure perfectly lol

 

[DocBlue]

If Hearts feel that any decision made by the Arbitration Panel is flawed, the Judge has given them the right to go back to court and appeal it. This case is by no means over as the SFA will have to be very careful about who they appoint to their panel. This Judge seems to be aware of how many beans make five in Scottish Football and will be watching very carefully.

I always thought the point of arbitration (rather than mediation) was that it was legally binding for all parties concerned.

 

[ChildOfGoth]

Sounds like Lord Clark has begun to re-write the SFAs Constitution here .

 

[bristolbear_06]

This is the important part. Along with the requirement to ensure an experienced QC oversees the process, this judge has pretty much just given us the independent investigation Rangers wanted.

The SPFL would have wanted this overseen by your standard panel of place-men and old boys. They've been told it isn't happening.

This might be decent news after all.

Hopefully the is some good from it but I still fear some corrupt compromise made in the background. Time will tell

 

[AC_55]

How can we trust *all* documents to be handed over?

 

[DocBlue]

Let’s see if Neil has been busy with his delete key....

This was my first thought. They’ve had a long time to cover up any paper trail.

 

[bloodandfire]

Rangers must send every Panel member a free copy of the Dossier.

 

[IH8Everyone]

It was crashing with too many viewing. Now in lockdown for Members Only.

Its open.

Hearts not liable for Dundee Hivs, Raiths and Coves costs but liable for half of the SPFL's

 

[Bluebear72]

All documents, phone records and messages must be turned over to the panel.

They have two months to “organise “ all of the relevant documentation

 

[Disco Deejay]

My understanding, unless it has changed recently, is that it will be three man Independent Panel from a list of former judges held by the SFA. Hearts/Thistle and the SPFL get to nominate one person each. The 2 nominated then decide between them who the 3rd person from the list will be. If they cannot reach agreement, it goes back to the SFA and either Maxwell or Mulraney chooses the 3rd panel member from the list.

In the words of Hugh Keevins, if Rangers select who performs an Independent Investigation, how can it be independent?"

 

[BlanturBlue]

Best of luck to them

 

[whitbyontbear]

I always thought the point of arbitration (rather than mediation) was that it was legally binding for all parties concerned.

Lord Clarke seems to have made an exception in this case. Looks as if he thought that Hearts were in the right but needed to go through all the motions so that the SPFL don't have any legal reason to appeal.

 

[ChildOfGoth]

This is the important part. Along with the requirement to ensure an experienced QC oversees the process, this judge has pretty much just given us the independent investigation Rangers wanted.

The SPFL would have wanted this overseen by your standard panel of place-men and old boys. They've been told it isn't happening.

This might be decent news after all.

Does that mean the content can be Published to the public , that’s not clear for me ?

 

[JD1872]

How can we trust *all* documents to be handed over?

I think the Hearts solicitor already has a list of the documentation they want supplied, the spfl argued it would take too much time to put together but they have been ordered to supply the documents. If they can’t it will really be damaging to their case

 

[Dumfriesbear]

Brian McLauchlin being economical with the truth and not saying they can go back to court to appeal:-

Hearts & Thistle case goes to arbitration

Hearts and Partick Thistle have lost their fight to have their respective relegations overturned by the courts - but say they will "pursue the same outcome in a different forum".

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[BluenoseAL]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1279050850191712256

 

[AC_55]

I think the Hearts solicitor already has a list of the documentation they want supplied, the spfl argued it would take too much time to put together but they have been ordered to supply the documents. If they can’t it will really be damaging to their case

Yeah, but whos to say Peter's calls just get left out...

 

[Virgil Hilts]

Getting billed for half of SPFL’s costs.

If it was my club, I’d be wanting them to take it to The Supreme Court if possible. Anything to delay the SPFL start date.

 

[jaws73]

Third ruling of the court is to uphold the request by Hearts and Partick Thistle to for "recovery of documents".

It’s going to Arbitration but the Judge rejected the notion that the panel list handed by SFA.

The Judge said that it must be an advocate or member of the judicial panel with 10 years experience as the chair.

When you add this to the Arbitration proceedings it is probably the next best judgement for Hearts/Partick if it isn't being hear in the CoS.

THE SPFL Executive will be feeling a tad uncomfortable.

 

[Chris01]

I wonder if the spfl will now try to compromise and settle out of court regarding compensation.

The absolute last thing they will want to do is handover documentation and phone call recordings.

 

[bigy]

Will there be an interdict now?

 

[High Society]

Unless your going into court to plead guilty, then it's always a long process. I just preferred guilty, get it over with.

There speaks the voice of experience ..........

 

[Coatbridge Chancellor]

Brian McLauchlin being economical with the truth and not saying they can go back to court to appeal:-

Hearts & Thistle case goes to arbitration

Hearts and Partick Thistle have lost their fight to have their respective relegations overturned by the courts - but say they will "pursue the same outcome in a different forum".

www.bbc.co.uk

Going back to court is only really an option if there are serious legal failures at arbitration.
They can't just do it if they don't like the decision.
It's very unlikely to end up back in court.

 

[chilebear]

When you add this to the Arbitration proceedings it is probably the next best judgement for Hearts/Partick if it isn't being hear in the CoS.

THE SPFL Executive will be feeling a tad uncomfortable.

Exactly. It’s not the worst result

 

[Theresa May]

It's not the verdict Hearts would have wanted but it's not over yet, and both Doncaster & Nelms will be officially shiting themselves as we speak - very pleasing.

 

[last minute signing]

Brian McLauchlin being economical with the truth and not saying they can go back to court to appeal:-

Hearts & Thistle case goes to arbitration

Hearts and Partick Thistle have lost their fight to have their respective relegations overturned by the courts - but say they will "pursue the same outcome in a different forum".

www.bbc.co.uk

He can be as economical as he wants. At the end of the day he’s a no-mark and this will have zero influence on the court.

 

[Ke55y]

Let’s see if Neil has been busy with his delete key....

Apparently the hampden offices ate being renovated as we speak...gen

 

[Dumfriesbear]

I wonder if they will go for an interdict to prevent the league restarting?

 

[Renfrew@UKGB&NI]

There speaks the voice of experience ..........

Low society upbringing.

 

[Virgil Hilts]

I wonder if they will go for an interdict to prevent the league restarting?

I hope so. ( assum8ng it allows the shareholders to revisit Doncaster’s vile resolution)