WinkieWATP
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If they had got away with it what would they have done next? Not enough money to be made in Liverpool and Manchester let’s move to London?
Great points mate. I’d been thinking the same, ref smaller clubs getting a bit more together.Other than Rangers in Europe under Gerrard, this has to have been the most exciting European football watch for years. And it’s not finished yet.
Overall though, I despair. The whole situation is depressing and it has been increasingly so for years. Greed is at the core of our game more than ever before, whether it’s the so called super league clubs, or UEFA. Pigs in the trough fighting to get the lion‘s share of the cash and bully others out of it. All they are both interested in is chasing TV and sponsor money and ring fencing as much of it as possible for the big (read rich) clubs in the big (“Top 5”) leagues. UEFA suddenly being the moral voice of the game, really? No, their nose is out of joint because the super league risked kicking them off the gravy train.
Those thinking that all of this means things may get better for the likes of Rangers are, I think, going to be disappointed. The imbalance will continue, even after this shambles. Multiple clubs in England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France will still get preferential access to the Champions League, however it is structured going forward. The 4th or 5th team in these leagues will still get an easier route to CL riches than the champions in other less lucrative leagues such as Scotland, Holland, Belgium, Portugal etc. It’s a downright disgrace and nothing will change. In fact, I reckon UEFA will try even harder to placate the clubs in bigger leagues to prevent the ongoing threat of a breakaway league. Rangers and other big clubs in smaller leagues will continue to have an uphill struggle to even get a glimpse of the CL.
I think now is the time for the smaller leagues to get together and put a more forceful representation to UEFA about our role in the game, the fact that we have big clubs with impressive histories and that champions of these leagues should be given a fairer crack of the whip. If UEFA are really about sporting achievement and competition across Europe, as they have stated in the last 48 hours, let’s challenge them to demonstrate that in practice and give clubs in smaller leagues a better chance of competing at the top table via automatic qualification for the group stages or whatever format it is. Continuing to ringfence the CL and it’s money to the rich teams in the top 5 leagues is effectively “super league lite”. It will simply reinforce the imbalance that currently exists, pander to the big club arrogance that they are above the rest of us, and also see those clubs continue to move away from the rest financially. Which will inevitably lead to another episode of superleaguebreakawayitis in a few years time as those clubs once again seek to keep the money to themselves.
Unlikely, the likes of the glazers are making big £££ from Utd.Could we be seeing new owners at some of these clubs now that their dreams of a monopoly are all but over for the moment? Liverpool, Man U, and Arsenal have American owners, and it looks like they were the ones pushing for the American style franchise models in sport there. Interesting times for these clubs.
Great points mate. I’d been thinking the same, ref smaller clubs getting a bit more together.
For all that those separatists are big clubs, they’re not so intriguing if they’ve got nobody to play against other than themselves. All it takes is a bit of organisation and buy-in from a handle of the smaller clubs to start the ball rolling.
But unlike those “glamour” clubs, if the smaller club group behaved with dignity and genuine discussion, it could really benefit the game.
Great post.Other than Rangers in Europe under Gerrard, this has to have been the most exciting European football watch for years. And it’s not finished yet.
Overall though, I despair. The whole situation is depressing and it has been increasingly so for years. Greed is at the core of our game more than ever before, whether it’s the so called super league clubs, or UEFA. Pigs in the trough fighting to get the lion‘s share of the cash and bully others out of it. All they are both interested in is chasing TV and sponsor money and ring fencing as much of it as possible for the big (read rich) clubs in the big (“Top 5”) leagues. UEFA suddenly being the moral voice of the game, really? No, their nose is out of joint because the super league risked kicking them off the gravy train.
Those thinking that all of this means things may get better for the likes of Rangers are, I think, going to be disappointed. The imbalance will continue, even after this shambles. Multiple clubs in England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France will still get preferential access to the Champions League, however it is structured going forward. The 4th or 5th team in these leagues will still get an easier route to CL riches than the champions in other less lucrative leagues such as Scotland, Holland, Belgium, Portugal etc. It’s a downright disgrace and nothing will change. In fact, I reckon UEFA will try even harder to placate the clubs in bigger leagues to prevent the ongoing threat of a breakaway league. Rangers and other big clubs in smaller leagues will continue to have an uphill struggle to even get a glimpse of the CL.
I think now is the time for the smaller leagues to get together and put a more forceful representation to UEFA about our role in the game, the fact that we have big clubs with impressive histories and that champions of these leagues should be given a fairer crack of the whip. If UEFA are really about sporting achievement and competition across Europe, as they have stated in the last 48 hours, let’s challenge them to demonstrate that in practice and give clubs in smaller leagues a better chance of competing at the top table via automatic qualification for the group stages or whatever format it is. Continuing to ringfence the CL and it’s money to the rich teams in the top 5 leagues is effectively “super league lite”. It will simply reinforce the imbalance that currently exists, pander to the big club arrogance that they are above the rest of us, and also see those clubs continue to move away from the rest financially. Which will inevitably lead to another episode of superleaguebreakawayitis in a few years time as those clubs once again seek to keep the money to themselves.
Conjecture on my part. From reading fans comments on various articles there seems to be a growing dissatisfaction with these owners, and some were discussing the possibility.Unlikely, the likes of the glazers are making big £££ from Utd.
A transition to PPV rather than regional TV broadcasters may deinsentivise the big league model and make the pay outs and league places independent of country (if a model can be found) meaning that it is game on again for the likes of our club.Other than Rangers in Europe under Gerrard, this has to have been the most exciting European football watch for years. And it’s not finished yet.
Overall though, I despair. The whole situation is depressing and it has been increasingly so for years. Greed is at the core of our game more than ever before, whether it’s the so called super league clubs, or UEFA. Pigs in the trough fighting to get the lion‘s share of the cash and bully others out of it. All they are both interested in is chasing TV and sponsor money and ring fencing as much of it as possible for the big (read rich) clubs in the big (“Top 5”) leagues. UEFA suddenly being the moral voice of the game, really? No, their nose is out of joint because the super league risked kicking them off the gravy train.
Those thinking that all of this means things may get better for the likes of Rangers are, I think, going to be disappointed. The imbalance will continue, even after this shambles. Multiple clubs in England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France will still get preferential access to the Champions League, however it is structured going forward. The 4th or 5th team in these leagues will still get an easier route to CL riches than the champions in other less lucrative leagues such as Scotland, Holland, Belgium, Portugal etc. It’s a downright disgrace and nothing will change. In fact, I reckon UEFA will try even harder to placate the clubs in bigger leagues to prevent the ongoing threat of a breakaway league. Rangers and other big clubs in smaller leagues will continue to have an uphill struggle to even get a glimpse of the CL.
I think now is the time for the smaller leagues to get together and put a more forceful representation to UEFA about our role in the game, the fact that we have big clubs with impressive histories and that champions of these leagues should be given a fairer crack of the whip. If UEFA are really about sporting achievement and competition across Europe, as they have stated in the last 48 hours, let’s challenge them to demonstrate that in practice and give clubs in smaller leagues a better chance of competing at the top table via automatic qualification for the group stages or whatever format it is. Continuing to ringfence the CL and it’s money to the rich teams in the top 5 leagues is effectively “super league lite”. It will simply reinforce the imbalance that currently exists, pander to the big club arrogance that they are above the rest of us, and also see those clubs continue to move away from the rest financially. Which will inevitably lead to another episode of superleaguebreakawayitis in a few years time as those clubs once again seek to keep the money to themselves.
A transition to PPV rather than regional TV broadcasters may deinsentivise the big league model and make the pay outs and league places independent of country (if a model can be found) meaning that it is game on again for the likes of our club.
A transition to PPV rather than regional TV broadcasters may deinsentivise the big league model and make the pay outs and league places independent of country (if a model can be found) meaning that it is game on again for the likes of our club.
Couldn't put it any better. I'm actually a bit disappointed that the ESL has crashed and burned so spectacularly. Not because I had any support for its principles - I don't. But the status quo really needs shaken up to remove the dominance of the big leagues.Other than Rangers in Europe under Gerrard, this has to have been the most exciting European football watch for years. And it’s not finished yet.
Overall though, I despair. The whole situation is depressing and it has been increasingly so for years. Greed is at the core of our game more than ever before, whether it’s the so called super league clubs, or UEFA. Pigs in the trough fighting to get the lion‘s share of the cash and bully others out of it. All they are both interested in is chasing TV and sponsor money and ring fencing as much of it as possible for the big (read rich) clubs in the big (“Top 5”) leagues. UEFA suddenly being the moral voice of the game, really? No, their nose is out of joint because the super league risked kicking them off the gravy train.
Those thinking that all of this means things may get better for the likes of Rangers are, I think, going to be disappointed. The imbalance will continue, even after this shambles. Multiple clubs in England, Spain, Italy, Germany and France will still get preferential access to the Champions League, however it is structured going forward. The 4th or 5th team in these leagues will still get an easier route to CL riches than the champions in other less lucrative leagues such as Scotland, Holland, Belgium, Portugal etc. It’s a downright disgrace and nothing will change. In fact, I reckon UEFA will try even harder to placate the clubs in bigger leagues to prevent the ongoing threat of a breakaway league. Rangers and other big clubs in smaller leagues will continue to have an uphill struggle to even get a glimpse of the CL.
I think now is the time for the smaller leagues to get together and put a more forceful representation to UEFA about our role in the game, the fact that we have big clubs with impressive histories and that champions of these leagues should be given a fairer crack of the whip. If UEFA are really about sporting achievement and competition across Europe, as they have stated in the last 48 hours, let’s challenge them to demonstrate that in practice and give clubs in smaller leagues a better chance of competing at the top table via automatic qualification for the group stages or whatever format it is. Continuing to ringfence the CL and it’s money to the rich teams in the top 5 leagues is effectively “super league lite”. It will simply reinforce the imbalance that currently exists, pander to the big club arrogance that they are above the rest of us, and also see those clubs continue to move away from the rest financially. Which will inevitably lead to another episode of superleaguebreakawayitis in a few years time as those clubs once again seek to keep the money to themselves.
There would still be an imbalance but it could be clawed back in time without artificial barriers obstructing it. End of the day Rangers are a far bigger club than Spurs.Maybe at the start that would've worked, but these super clubs have got big in the age of globalisation, they would get more ppv hits and it would remain largely similar I think. You would then get smaller teams over reaching for a big star to boost sales in China which if it works, great, and if it doesn't then financial peril awaits.
They did mention that on SSN.Sorry if it has been mentioned already but I was wondering about the mass protests last night. Didn't they majorly breach covid rules? If they did, I've not heard a peep about it in the media.
But they are pure Royal mateThere are few teams in world football I hate more than Real. Hope to %^*& they go bust soon
C88nt would sell his own granny for a few quid.
First there were mutterings UEFA had paid them 'eye watering sums of money' to leave. An hour later, a statement from the SL stated that the English teams had left because of outside pressures. Are they hints from Perez? The statement will certainly have had his hands on it.Has Perez commented on the English all pulling out yet?
First there were mutterings UEFA had paid them 'eye watering sums of money' to leave. An hour later, a statement from the SL stated that the English teams had left because of outside pressures. Are they hints from Perez? The statement will certainly have had his hands on it.
Basically, believe nothing at all coming out of Spain because they are all changing their tune regularly.
They totally underestimated the backlash not just from fans,but the fact that players and Managers were in the dark about it really is quite shocking and the owners should be held to account. UEFA need a clear out as well because of the corruption that's been going on for nigh on 20 years.It's baffling The English are surprised about the reaction from their fans. It's hardly as if they made an off the cuff decision over the weekend when they were on the booze, this has been in the pipeline and discussed by all of these clubs for years. Then they pull out within 48 hours of it being announced!
There’s nothing surer.I reckon UEFA will try even harder to placate the clubs in bigger leagues to prevent the ongoing threat of a breakaway league. Rangers and other big clubs in smaller leagues will continue to have an uphill struggle to even get a glimpse of the CL.
HAHA
What an embarrassment this has turned out to be.
Got multi millionaires releasing apology videos like some type of YouTuber or streamer who did something wrong.
Brulliant
Hahahaha and Perez is the only single oneAll feels a bit like the big lads night being planned in the group chat before anyone's asked their missus if they're allowed oot
"Was never going to stand without support of the fans..."
HAHA
What an embarrassment this has turned out to be.
Got multi millionaires releasing apology videos like some type of YouTuber or streamer who did something wrong.
Brulliant
John W Henry has the look of a man who enjoys a drink.
Seems like UEFA won't punish them... Guess it's up to the domestic leagues but I won't hold my breath
Imagine if last week, someone had said that UEFA would now have the moral high ground. This has been a spectacular own goal by the Dirty Dozen.
Seems like UEFA won't punish them... Guess it's up to the domestic leagues but I won't hold my breath
My understanding - which may be flawed - is that the domestic associations notify Uefa of which clubs they are nominating to take part in the European competitions. I would like to see the EPL ban those six clubs from Europe for a season to lay down a marker. Yes, it would be harsh on those decent fans of those clubs, but if they were able to step back and see that it was for one year only then they might grudgingly agree that it would be a fitting punishment.How do you punish the clubs without punishing the fans who made them u-turn, its a difficult one.
I reckon this will rear its head again but as a two-tiered league, with the likes of ourselves in the second division. Perez was clear that Madrid need something like this and he won’t just abandon this.
Id like to see what the share price of those clubs listed are looking like today.Could we be seeing new owners at some of these clubs now that their dreams of a monopoly are all but over for the moment? Liverpool, Man U, and Arsenal have American owners, and it looks like they were the ones pushing for the American style franchise models in sport there. Interesting times for these clubs.
Fans get punished all the times for failings of the club.How do you punish the clubs without punishing the fans who made them u-turn, its a difficult one.
Fck sake , cringe .
HAHA
What an embarrassment this has turned out to be.
Got multi millionaires releasing apology videos like some type of YouTuber or streamer who did something wrong.
Brulliant
Wishful thinking I’m afraid.All well & good that this joke of a "Super" league is dead in the water but it's now time for the rest of European football to put pressure on UEFA for a proper reform of the Champions League - one that stops this 20 year long bias towards to these scumbag "big" clubs.
For years the threat has been - "give us what we want or we'll form our own league". Well that didn't work out too well did it? Not as powerful as you think you are. It's absolute joke that league champions like us, Ajax, Red Star Belgrade, etc have to jump through the hoops of qualifying whilst the 4th best team in England, Italy, Spain, etc saunters right into the group stages.
This is the time to attack, and make it clear that this bias & bullying tactics from the top leagues is over.
They did mention that on SSN.