Are we the only Club that has really been punished by the SPFL over COVID ?

[Jase]

do you think 7 games was fair compared to Bolingoli’s three or the Aberdeen 8s none ?

You’re gonna be disappointed if you’re expecting fairness. However the pair of them acted idiotically and there was potential in what they did to harm the team. I have no sympathy with them.

But my point is that them not being available had zero to do with us losing the LC tie.

 

[Angrybluebear]

You’re gonna be disappointed if you’re expecting fairness. However the pair of them acted idiotically and there was potential in what they did to harm the team. I have no sympathy with them.

But my point is that them not being available had zero to do with us losing the LC tie.

that is your opinion you are entitled to it.

my take is that Gerrard has come out many times and indicated they look at the amount of game time each player is getting and rotation is driven by this analysis.

without the two of them available it severely restricted any rotation. For instance had Edmundson been available I am pretty sure he would have started away to Falkirk and the chances Barisic would have been rested in favour of Bassey at left back, particularly as Borna isn’t a fan of plastic pitches, rather than benching him at St Mirren. Similarly in this game Jones may have started or would have came on early for the injured Barker instead of Kamara who was clearly meant to be getting a rest.

 

[foot1efreek]

The forfeited games have only been suspended on appeal, the lost points might yet still be applied.

Won’t happen. Imagine the uproar if these cnuts came back from Dubai and a shitload of them had COVID and the league awarding hibs the 3 points?? Would I love for it to happen? You can bet yer last dollar I do but sadly it won’t.

 

[Jase]

that is your opinion you are entitled to it.

my take is that Gerrard has come out many times and indicated they look at the amount of game time each player is getting and rotation is driven by this analysis.

without the two of them available it severely restricted any rotation. For instance had Edmundson been available I am pretty sure he would have started away to Falkirk and the chances Barisic would have been rested in favour of Bassey at left back, particularly as Borna isn’t a fan of plastic pitches, rather than benching him at St Mirren. Similarly in this game Jones may have started or would have came on early for the injured Barker instead of Kamara who was clearly meant to be getting a rest.

Well I disagree. But as you say, it's all about opinions.

 

[supersonic]

sorry a bit long winded and raking over some old ground, but, Are we the only Club that has really been punished by the SPFL over COVID ?

OK Bolongoli was “hammered“ (according to the Scottish media) with a 3 game ban and two suspended for breaking multiple rules and government restrictions.

The Aberdeen 8 got suspended bans.

Leigh Griffiths broke Government restrictions by hosting a surprise birthday (house) party for his girlfriend. She put pictures all over social media of a house full of folk drinking and the likes with no social distancing going on. This was all acceptable apparently.

Matches were postponed due to breaches, however sometimes the innocent party was punished when the games were played. For instance St Mirren had a full squad when due to play celtic but the game was postponed due to celtic and bolingoli however when the match was rescheduled st mirren were affected by COVID and had no goalkeeper, they had to bring in someone the day before the match.

Jeremie Frimpong then flew over a, for the want of a better word cheap “escort” from the USA, he assisted her in breaking Government rules by taking her out to car parks, shops and to food take aways mixing with other innocent parties, whilst she should have been self isolating. This was somehow all totally acceptable.

the SFA/SPFL then adopted their tough guy routine, 7 match bans for Edmundson and Jones, everyone thought fair enough they were stupid, not as stupid or any worse than the Aberdeen 8 or anything like the magnitude of the crime committed by Bolingoli. There was also far less people at their gathering than was at Griffiths house party, but never the less a line had to be drawn and the SFA/SPFL had to show examples would be made. We as a Club accepted this in the belief the severity of punishments were increasing as a deterrent.

The SPFL then continued with their no nonsense stance, points awarded to Clubs following COVID breaches by others.

However this was then challenged by the Clubs and the SPFL have given the points back meantime.

Then celtic fc decide they will head off to Dubai, at a time when travel restrictions are in place, we were told we couldn’t even go visit our relatives in the same street never mind different local authority areas and certainly not another continent.

on the back of this a former SPFL club chairman has came out and stated due to their actions this effectively undermines the SPFL’s decision to award points, so they are screwed.

so celtic kid on they won a quadruple treble, but when they realise their holy grail of ten in a row is gone they don’t give a fcuk for anything else and are undermining this season by swanning about Dubai sticking two fingers up to the entire nation, safe in the knowledge that the SPFL will do nothing.

The only team that seems to have suffered is us.

2 postponed games is a pretty big and inconvenient punishment. Rangers immediately accepted the player ban.

 

[GF7]

Won’t happen. Imagine the uproar if these cnuts came back from Dubai and a shitload of them had COVID and the league awarding hibs the 3 points?? Would I love for it to happen? You can bet yer last dollar I do but sadly it won’t.

I think firstly they would need to be in a situation of not being able to field 13 players or what happened with Kilmarnock and the local health board stepping in making them all isolate. St Mirren and Kilmarnock couldn't field a team, Dundee Utd for eg. though also breached but still could put out a side. More likely the Scottish Government will not allow them to play Hibs, similar to last time and Celtic will then hide behind that saying they would have played the game if the Government had allowed.

If they don't play Hibs though they will have 5 games to fit in before the split. I dont know how many free mid weeks there are, but I can't see that being possible.

 

[Angrybluebear]

2 postponed games is a pretty big and inconvenient punishment. Rangers immediately accepted the player ban.

I don’t know is it ?

We had a game postponed last season, played it the next day, no problem. There is no fans, little police and stewarding, no catering, not much really to be rearranged.

Not like they prepared for the games and travelled away to find the pitch frozen. They knew in advance.

Gerrard has already came out and said we have had no time virtually to work on the training ground up till now.

A couple of cheeky wee missing fixtures to have more time to work on things and prepare for big Euro games.

They have had opportunities to play their missing games and chose not to reschedule.

 

[supersonic]

I don’t know is it ?

We had a game postponed last season, played it the next day, no problem. There is no fans, little police and stewarding, no catering, not much really to be rearranged.

Not like they prepared for the games and travelled away to find the pitch frozen. They knew in advance.

Gerrard has already came out and said we have had no time virtually to work on the training ground up till now.

A couple of cheeky wee missing fixtures to have more time to work on things and prepare for big Euro games.

They have had opportunities to play their missing games and chose not to reschedule.

All it does is kick the can down the road. They were postponed from playing, it's not like they could have played them the next day. For me postponed games are a major inconvenience. Yeh more time on the training pitch, how did that turn out for Celtic? 2 wins in 10 and hammered all over europe. Now they face a fixture pile up.

 

[TheBigFundamental]

You state clearly that they dont play 1st team football then post that they do play 1st team football.

You're a little confused.

Not being funny but when someone has played one game of first team football all season, it's pretty common to say they don't play first team football, with the overall insinuation being you are back up or reserve.

You aren't going to constantly caveat yourself by saying 'apart from that one time'.

I highly doubt you didn't already know this.

 

[TheBigFundamental]

The people saying 'what about Hearts' seem to be getting largely ignored.

Almost as if nobody can find fault in that argument and thus we are not the only team which has been really punished. Projecting what Gerrard could / should / would have done against St Mirren is apparently a more worthy argument. And very FF.

 

[Angrybluebear]

Not being funny but when someone has played one game of first team football all season, it's pretty common to say they don't play first team football, with the overall insinuation being you are back up or reserve.

You aren't going to constantly caveat yourself by saying 'apart from that one time'.

I highly doubt you didn't already know this.

It’s not one game though, who even said that ? because that is just stupidity and downright lies.

bearing in mind they were banned for 7 games an we had suspended them prior to this.

Jones started and Edmundson came on as a sub the league game prior to it kicking off, which suggests both were back in the Managers plans.

If you want to be pedantic Jordan Jones has started more league games than Greg Stewart and Zungu, the same league starts as Itten, one less than Defoe and Bassey.

To deny both players aren’t part of a squad who would have played more had it not been for their bans is quite frankly embarrassing.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Some truly mental paranoid spins on here lately.

 

[Angrybluebear]

The people saying 'what about Hearts' seem to be getting largely ignored.

Almost as if nobody can find fault in that argument and thus we are not the only team which has been really punished. Projecting what Gerrard could / should / would have done against St Mirren is apparently a more worthy argument. And very FF.

What about Hearts ?

What punishment have they received over alleged COVID protocol breaches ?

 

[Corkinator]

I see where you’re coming from it’s all very inconsistent. Griffin should have got the same punishment as our 2. Id like to see what happens to covid fc about their Dubai trip. Utter rhats

 

[Angrybluebear]

I see where you’re coming from it’s all very inconsistent. Griffin should have got the same punishment as our 2. Id like to see what happens to covid fc about their Dubai trip. Utter rhats

Nothing is going to happen,

Some of the charges levelled against st mirren were of players (in the same bubble) travelling to training in the same car, sitting too close in dining areas. Part of their defence is that players on full and under 21 international duty were sitting even closer on aeroplanes for longer.

Then there is the events that went on at the “party” when Scotland qualified in Serbia.

Followed up by this Dubai trip.

St Mirren’s ex chairman and now Kilmarnock’s current Chairman are now both making noises this Dubai trip has strengthened their defence, they are right.

 

[two2tango]

Has any player been suspended like our players have?

 

[Partickger]

You know two teams had 0-3 defeats and £40,000 given to them as punishment? Can't believe you missed that or rule it out for some reason! Mental.

That’s almost certain to be reversed now Celtic should face punishment for much worse breaches.

 

[eeboh]

Wether it was two reserve team players, first team players or duds as described on here, they key point is the SFA weren't slow to banning two Rangers players. A more pertinent question is why do celtc* despite repeated covid breaches have no real sanctions applied, proper punishment? As if we didn't know right enough.

 

[Angrybluebear]

Wether it was two reserve team players, first team players or duds as described on here, they key point is the SFA weren't slow to banning two Rangers players. A more pertinent question is why do celtc* despite repeated covid breaches have no real sanctions applied, proper punishment? As if we didn't know right enough.

There is currently an 11 pager on the go about the SFA not even investigating their trip.

Thing is people seem genuinely surprised.

 

[Angrybluebear]

This is nonsense. I’m sorry.

As a club we have kept ourselves right, behaved well, and been fortunate to avoid both major disruption to our squad and have not been punished by the authorities - and on that, no luck involved

Some truly mental paranoid spins on here lately.

Well this is going to get interesting, there is another thread on it but basically my points have been summarised a bit more succinctly and more meat added to the bone regarding the Dubai trip and subsequent events.

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Once they realised there 9+* was gone they have gone out their way to completely undermine the current league season.

 

[Velvet Underground]

What is it St Mirren and Kilmarnock have meant to have done wrong?

 

[Angrybluebear]

What is it St Mirren and Kilmarnock have meant to have done wrong?

St Mirren, I am led to believe was to do with players (in the same bubble) travelling in the same car to training and also dining seating arrangements within their stadium.

Their argument is based on the full and under 21 international fixtures, where players were seated for longer in same proximity.

Bear in mind the complete farce of the U21s where clubs were notified belatedly players would have to isolate, some having already trained with their own clubs.

Further strengthened by the after party when Scotland won in Serbia.

They had a pretty strong case even before Dubai.

 

[Angrybluebear]

You know two teams had 0-3 defeats and £40,000 given to them as punishment? Can't believe you missed that or rule it out for some reason! Mental.

The forfeited games have only been suspended on appeal, the lost points might yet still be applied.

@Tino_Col

for good measure

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[looway]

The forfeited games have only been suspended on appeal, the lost points might yet still be applied.

Maybe, maybe not. As things stand celtic might yet get punished but future punishments aren't what the op is saying.

 

[looway]

they don’t

Jones 3 games
Edmundson 1 game

both suspended had no effect on our squad or results , I’m only replying with the facts to a thread YOU started.
enjoy rest of your day

If players are unavailable for selection when otherwise they would have been then that limits your choice. Ifs and buts. Jones might have been picked and scored a hat-trick.

 

[Angrybluebear]

Maybe, maybe not. As things stand celtic might yet get punished but future punishments aren't what the op is saying.

Cut and paste from Evening Times 12 January

SFA confirm compliance officer investigation into Celtic Dubai pictures​

SFA chief Ian Maxwell has confirmed that the compliance officer is looking into pictures from Celtic's training camp in Dubai.

Images appeared on social media showing some Hoops stars lounging by a pool at their hotel with beers in hand.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has since slammed the pictures and questioned the purpose of Celtic's trip.
After the Parkhead club announced a positive test yesterday, Ian Maxwell confirmed that the SFA compliance officer would be investigating the pictures.

It now transpires she has left the building failing to take action over this or any of the other on field events that happened during her holidays, and a new kangaroo court has been set up to single out our players.

So was there an investigation ? What has been the outcome ?

 

[looway]

Cut and paste from Evening Times 12 January

SFA confirm compliance officer investigation into Celtic Dubai pictures​

SFA chief Ian Maxwell has confirmed that the compliance officer is looking into pictures from Celtic's training camp in Dubai.

Images appeared on social media showing some Hoops stars lounging by a pool at their hotel with beers in hand.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has since slammed the pictures and questioned the purpose of Celtic's trip.
After the Parkhead club announced a positive test yesterday, Ian Maxwell confirmed that the SFA compliance officer would be investigating the pictures.

It now transpires she has left the building failing to take action over this or any of the other on field events that happened during her holidays, and a new kangaroo court has been set up to single out our players.

So was there an investigation ? What has been the outcome ?

It would be some achievement if the SFA took a two week break from the compliance procedure coinciding with the Dubai debacle. It is a continuing process but they should have been cited by now. Rangers are quite right to ask why our players are fast tracked and theirs aren't despite more serious offences being commited caught on camera.

 

[SandyJardine no.2]

There is a point that by not carrying out the revue of the protocol breaches in Dubai , admitted to by J Kennedy , and applying appropriate breaches the SFA are giving them a clear advantage over other teams as these players are available to play each week at a critical time of the season. Shame it hasn’t worked out for them but if any penalty comes out at the end of season run in when results don’t matter isn’t really a penalty. Maybe they couldn’t get a panel together ?