Celtic face threat of multimillion pound compensation claim(The Times)

BlueNose94 said:
2 names that probably know more in this extract below. Joe Sullivan and Ronnie Hawthorn. What else do they know?


May 2004
Photographer admits indecency
A FORMER photographer who worked with Celtic FC has walked free from court after admitting taking pictures of naked young boys.
John Cullen, 49, of Pollokshaws, Glasgow, took children as young as ten back to his flat before persuading them to pose for the camera.
Cullen avoided a lengthy jail sentence and was placed on probation for three years at Glasgow Sheriff Court yesterday after he pled guilty to a charge of lewd and libidinous behaviour.
The sentence provoked outrage from one children’s charity after it emerged that none of the boys on the 250 images taken by Cullen had been traced.
A spokeswoman for Children First said: “Behind every indecent image of a child, there’s a real child. Children depend on adults to keep them safe.
“It is essential that the offending behaviour is addressed and that offenders are not released back on to the streets to repeat such crimes against children.
“We must show children that they can come forward to tell about their experiences.”
Cullen’s crime was first uncovered in May 2002, when cleaners were sweeping out a room at Celtic Park where Cullen kept his equipment.
The workers discovered a black bin bag and opened it to check if it was rubbish. Instead, however, they found bundles of black and white photos of nude and semi-naked young boys.
Officials at the club immediately called the police, before quizzing the married father-of-two about the photos. He admitted to inviting children to a house in Glasgow in 1982, where he took a series of photographs.
Cullen had first appeared in court last October, but the case was continually adjourned to allow police to try to identify the victims.
Despite prosecutors calling in specialist help from Scotland Yard’s paedophile unit, they still remain nameless.
Procurator-fiscal Liz Ramsey did say, however, it was believed the boys were aged between ten and 13.
Cullen was sacked from Celtic in June 2002. Some of his former colleagues, including Celtic View editor Joe Sullivan and club security chief Ronnie Hawthorn, had been due to give evidence against him.
In court yesterday, Sharon Gardener, defending, said: “This man realises that he has problems in his life and needs the help to address them as soon as possible.”
Sheriff Susan Raeburn QC told Cullen: “You will be placed on probation, but breach this order and you will be brought back to court, where a custodial sentence will be passed.”
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The all too common soft touch in dealing with depraved cunts like him.
 
things that stick out for me in that article BN94 stck up.

Sheriff Susan Raeburn with a joke sentence,what else on her watch.

Was Ronnie Hawthorn the middle man between CFC and police Scotland and an associate of superintendent George Douglas who was allegedly given information by McSherry with didn’t see the light of day,and more so what date did he join CFC from leaving the police.

where did Cullen obtain these boys to go back to “his” flat allegedly and strip semi naked to be photographed??

from a school,cbc,a charity or chapel,Bennell or other English coaches who knows and this is why we need a national UK independent public enquiry.
 
Bobafett Bear said:
things that stick out for me in that article BN94 stck up.

Sheriff Susan Raeburn with a joke sentence,what else on her watch.

Was Ronnie Hawthorn the middle man between CFC and police Scotland and an associate of superintendent George Douglas who was allegedly given information by McSherry with didn’t see the light of day,and more so what date did he join CFC from leaving the police.

where did Cullen obtain these boys to go back to “his” flat allegedly and strip semi naked to be photographed??

from a school,cbc,a charity or chapel,Bennell or other English coaches who knows and this is why we need a national UK independent public enquiry.
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Another piece that concerns me is this quote..,

“Despite prosecutors calling in specialist help from Scotland Yard’s paedophile unit, they still remain nameless”

Someone knows something at that rancid club. Cullen should never have walked out of that courtroom.
 
BlueNose94 said:
Another piece that concerns me is this quote..,

“Despite prosecutors calling in specialist help from Scotland Yard’s paedophile unit, they still remain nameless”

Someone knows something at that rancid club. Cullen should never have walked out of that courtroom.
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Just make’s no sense and his disappearance of the grid since that day,no pics or didgital footprint and invisible now,he’s either been protected and aided somewhere along the line.
 
KYBear_74 said:
If the scum had put as much effort into running a football team as they did and do into facilitating and protecting pedophiles, I'd hate to think what kind of record we'd have against them! What a bunch of sick deviants.
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Watching silence in the house of god at the moment on pbs america. The similarities with celtics handling of this are there for all to see.
 
The problem anyone has in trying to get justice for the victims of this cult, is that it goes all the way to the top and includes barristers and judges and dare I say even titled folk.
So they all protect each other for feat that one card falls and the lot comes down.
That is way nothing came out about Savile until he died.
You only have to hope that the great work being done by the guys on here and the lawyers for the victims, will bear fruit.
 
Richy1471 said:
The problem anyone has in trying to get justice for the victims of this cult, is that it goes all the way to the top and includes barristers and judges and dare I say even titled folk.
So they all protect each other for feat that one card falls and the lot comes down.
That is way nothing came out about Savile until he died.
You only have to hope that the great work being done by the guys on here and the lawyers for the victims, will bear fruit.
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Was watching law and order svu last night and it was about a wrestling coach doing the same thing. Made a point of how hard it is for the victims to come forward, we should always remember that, so as has been said patience is needed here and it's very unfair to have a go at the solicitor dealing with this.

Very complicated matter to deal with and these predators know this and play on it. Be honest with ourselves and really think would we come forward easily if we were victims. Thankfully it's never happened to me, but I honestly couldn't give an answer to that.
 
Richy1471 said:
The problem anyone has in trying to get justice for the victims of this cult, is that it goes all the way to the top and includes barristers and judges and dare I say even titled folk.
So they all protect each other for feat that one card falls and the lot comes down.
That is way nothing came out about Savile until he died.
You only have to hope that the great work being done by the guys on here and the lawyers for the victims, will bear fruit.
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House of cards. One day they will fall.
 
Just another wee pointer that I was made aware,why is Gerald King still very friendly with Torbett,surly wouldn’t be visiting or contacting him in the the nick

That’s the information I have received,so the children that King didn’t take to cbc,what happened to them and who else abused them as St Martha’s.

King allegedly had an accomplice at the school working with him,a selected few went to cbc,others were still abused at the school that didn’t go to cbc.

https://www.kirkintilloch-herald.co.uk/news/vandals-smash-90-windows-at-primary-school-1-360663

I wonder if this was connected to King with the hate crime against the school,the source on this is good at the alledged abuse at cbc/St Martha’s connection.
 
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ShootYouDown said:
I believe he was a married father of two at the time of the court case(2002).His age was quoted as 49 then,so add 18 years and that makes him 67 now
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He's probably in Thailand or somewhere that he can get better access to young kids, and away from Scotland another sicko part of their evil paedo ring,.
You can bet yours boots he's been squirrelled away somewhere because he knows all the others, he needs tracking down big time.
 
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nemessis said:
He's probably in Thailand or somewhere that he can get better access to young kids, and away from Scotland another sicko part of their evil paedo ring,.
You can bet yours boots he's been squirrelled away somewhere because he knows all the others, he needs tracking down big time.
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Thai tims ......innocent kids totally brainwashed into that cult of filth and depravity
 
Bobafett Bear said:
things that stick out for me in that article BN94 stck up.



where did Cullen obtain these boys to go back to “his” flat allegedly and strip semi naked to be photographed??

from a school,cbc,a charity or chapel,Bennell or other English coaches who knows and this is why we need a national UK independent public enquiry.
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That is a helluva shout mate and such a serious question needs a serious answer.

It`s an absolute scandal that he only got probation.
 
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It's been a while since we've heard from Patrick McGuire the lawyer from Thompson's Solicitors who was representing a number of victims,it seems to have gone quiet on that front.I think it was last August that I read any comments from him,unless I've missed them.

Are the scum making settlements behind closed doors and away from the public eye and courtrooms?
If so I would guess there are non disclosure agreements being signed to keep the lid on as much of this scandal as possible.

www.scottishlegal.com

Lawyer for Celtic abuse victims criticises club over failure to offer compensation

The lawyer representing a number of people abused by a former Celtic youth coach has criticised the club for being unwilling to compensate victims. Jim McCafferty, 73, a former Celtic Boys Club coach, was jailed last week for six years and nine months after admitting he had molested boys over the co
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Mr.Spock said:
It's been a while since we've heard from Patrick McGuire the lawyer from Thompson's Solicitors who was representing a number of victims,it seems to have gone quiet on that front.I think it was last August that I read any comments from him,unless I've missed them.

Are the scum making settlements behind closed doors and away from the public eye and courtrooms?
If so I would guess there are non disclosure agreements being signed to keep the lid on as much of this scandal as possible.

www.scottishlegal.com

Lawyer for Celtic abuse victims criticises club over failure to offer compensation

The lawyer representing a number of people abused by a former Celtic youth coach has criticised the club for being unwilling to compensate victims. Jim McCafferty, 73, a former Celtic Boys Club coach, was jailed last week for six years and nine months after admitting he had molested boys over the co
www.scottishlegal.com www.scottishlegal.com
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Lets hope not. Those that turned a blind eye or were possibly involved need investigating. There was obviously a pedophile ring at Celtic Park and IMO there are many more that have bought the silence of others.
 
Mr.Spock said:
It's been a while since we've heard from Patrick McGuire the lawyer from Thompson's Solicitors who was representing a number of victims,it seems to have gone quiet on that front.I think it was last August that I read any comments from him,unless I've missed them.

Are the scum making settlements behind closed doors and away from the public eye and courtrooms?
If so I would guess there are non disclosure agreements being signed to keep the lid on as much of this scandal as possible.

www.scottishlegal.com

Lawyer for Celtic abuse victims criticises club over failure to offer compensation

The lawyer representing a number of people abused by a former Celtic youth coach has criticised the club for being unwilling to compensate victims. Jim McCafferty, 73, a former Celtic Boys Club coach, was jailed last week for six years and nine months after admitting he had molested boys over the co
www.scottishlegal.com www.scottishlegal.com
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If this is what is happening, do the SFA / SPFL need to be notified of this by the Bheasts?
 
THEGOVANFRONT said:
The reason I ask is that they have already settled re an Edinburgh court case & from what I'm aware of no action appears to have been subsequently taken against them over that case.
So, are the SFA / SPFL confirming it is ok for clubs to act in this manner?
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That’s a good point TGF as I heard and think another poster confirmed another lawyer out with McGuire and obtained a deal no messing around and had secured a settlement of sort with CFC regarding historical abuse.

can anyone remember ??
 
THEGOVANFRONT said:
The reason I ask is that they have already settled re an Edinburgh court case & from what I'm aware of no action appears to have been subsequently taken against them over that case.
So, are the SFA / SPFL confirming it is ok for clubs to act in this manner?
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Great point mate.

So yeah, it seems to me that as long as you pay the victim off, the SFA/SPFL are cool with child abuse?

As has been said before. They are as bad as the perputrators by their silence.
 
Bobafett Bear said:
That’s a good point TGF as I heard and think another poster confirmed another lawyer out with McGuire and obtained a deal no messing around and had secured a settlement of sort with CFC regarding historical abuse.

can anyone remember ??
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Think it was Kim Leslie of Digby Brown B.B., she ripped the rhats a new one with her client receiving a 6 figure payment.
 
I wrote to the SPFL / SFA regarding numerous aspects of the abuse case with 1 being specifically about the Edinburgh court case / compensation payout. Simply asking what had they done in advance of the case going to court & what had they done as a result of the case and if nothing, why this would be the case.
I got no reply.
 
BlueBaloo said:
So he walked out of a court and just disappeared for 20 odd years....but never left the city?


Ooooooookaaaay
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I don’t have a timeline of his movements after court,but he is still in the city without giving to much away,and I don’t think he left anywhere and our info points to that.

I suggest any one with info on Cullen and any of his associates that don’t want to post on a public forum pm the relative parties involved.

I will use a poster for example last night,solid info and lead in a pm,that has opened a whole new avenue to exhaust that has been verified by a 2nd source,it’s all about the detail in the info.
 
Email to S.F.A.

To:Scottish Football Association


7 Jan at 11:09


Dear Sir/Madam,

I am working within a group to obtain justice for victims of historical child sexual abuse at the hands of beasts under the guise of coaches/managers within Scottish football.
This scandal has been facilitated and left to fester for over 4 decades, it is in my opinion far worse than racial abuse which is rightly being focused on at present. Name calling and abuse pertaining to creed or colour or religion is rightly to be demonised, but the actual physical and mental/psychological torture of being sexually abused should be paramount in your organisations priorities to deal with and prevent further abuse.

One of your member clubs has to date had 4 criminal convictions of representatives of both the club and the feeder boys club and the reluctance of the governing body to initiate any punishment or take retrospective action,
gives out the signal that this behaviour is acceptable, which in turn is leaving more children vulnerable to future abuse as there is no deterrent for these beasts to abide by.

The rediculously short sentences that these aforementioned beasts have received along with the inaction of your organisation affords no empathy or comfort to the poor victims who need acknowledgement and closure to move forward. There is a requirement for both the S.F.A. and the judicial system to work in tandem to neutralise the intent and actions of these paedophiles.

It begs the question, are there members of your organisation and the judicial system and law enforcement who are part of an organised ring and are fearful of exposure?

Believe me we won't stop until justice is delivered for these long suffering souls, who were subjected to unimaginable torture at the hands of the beasts, it would be in the best interests of your organisation to deliver transparency before the imminent worldwide screening of 3 part documentaries on the subject of child sexual abuse within Scottish and U.K. football.

There will be no hiding place and i would imagine reputations will be tarnished by ignorance and association.

There is immense pressure being exerted politically for an Independent public inquiry, which will hopefully answer the questions that need answered, Who knew, What did they know, When did they know, Why maintain silence?

Ask yourself and the members of your organisation, can you honestly look yourselves in the mirror and feel comfortable that to date you have acted with honesty and integrity regarding the scandal that has been playing out under your watch for over 4 decades? If you can then you should have no sleepless nights.

Look forward to your reply

Yours sincerely
R.K.
 
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