Co-efficient Update

Bluenose1992 said:
Another thing I was wondering. 3 more wins in the competition and we would go ahead off Celtic this season?

I know we will go ahead of them straight away next season when their 16/17 points drop off.
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Yes 3 wins would see overtake their coefficient for the draw purpose next season 34.250 to 34.000 if we are in the same competition for the group stage

But we are already of them for the start of next season 28.250 to 27.000 before you add 2021/22 on
 
rangeral said:
Not .250?

Not added into the totals I posted
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It would be .250 for the quarters, and again for the semi, and again for the final. .750 in total when split by the 4. I wasn't sure if you only get 1 bonus point in total but looking at Sevilla's points total for last season, they got three bonus points so you must get one for each stage you make.
 
HinshieBluenose said:
It would be .250 for the quarters, and again for the semi, and again for the final. .750 in total when split by the 4. I wasn't sure if you only get 1 bonus point in total but looking at Sevilla's points total for last season, they got three bonus points so you must get one for each stage you make.
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Clubs get 1 point each of those round

Country I am not sure if split

D.5 Bonus points

Clubs which reach the round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA
Champions League or the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Europa
League are awarded an extra point for each such round. In addition, four points are
awarded for participation in the group stage of the UEFA Champions League and
four points for qualifying for the round of 16.

These bonus points are also included in the association coefficient calculation.
 
rangeral said:
Clubs get 1 point each of those round

Country I am not sure if split

D.5 Bonus points

Clubs which reach the round of 16, quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA
Champions League or the quarter-finals, semi-finals or final of the UEFA Europa
League are awarded an extra point for each such round. In addition, four points are
awarded for participation in the group stage of the UEFA Champions League and
four points for qualifying for the round of 16.

These bonus points are also included in the association coefficient calculation.
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The 1 point for each round would get added to our own coefficient and help with our own seeding during draws and it also counts as part of the country's points total, thus divided by the amount of participating teams from the nation. See below for the Sevilla example from last year.

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10th place

Austria have 35.825 and if the 2 Austrians are put next week

Win v Antwerp 33.125
2 wins Last 16 34.125
2 wins + bonus QF 35.375

Semi-final
Minimum
1 win + bonus

or 2 draws + bonus

36.125
 
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Ced_The_Ted said:
Absolutely, this year a win gets 0.5 points but next year with us plus 4 dumplings entering the coefficient points for a win goes down to 0.4
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It's very true that having fewer representatives is likely to benefit your coefficient.

Back in 2006 Romania rocketed up from TWENTY-FIFTH to TENTH in one season because Steaua and Rapid had decent runs in the UEFA Cup (semi-final and quarter-final) and it was only being divided by 3 teams rather than 4 or 5 with a couple of non-contributors.

Romania had the highest coefficient score in Europe that year even higher than Spain's despite the fact that Barcelona won the Champions League, Villareal reached the semis and Sevilla won the UEFA Cup.

CupqWqDqL#W#D#LBonusPointsAverage
1​
Romania​
3 teams​
 5321697350.516.833
4​
Steaua Bucuresti​
UC121752223.0
5​
Rapid Bucuresti​
UC310732121.5
64​
Dinamo Bucuresti​
UC10121306.0

CupqWqDqL#W#D#LBonusPointsAverage
2​
Spain​
7 teams​
 31030231523109.515.642
1​
FC Barcelona​
CL000940729.0
3​
Sevilla​
UC000942325.0
8​
Villarreal​
CL200372621.0
28​
Real Betis​
UC110325312.5
29​
Real Madrid​
CL000323412.0
43​
Espanyol​
UC00033209.0
120​
Osasuna​
UC00001101.0

Having 5 representatives is NOT a good thing for us, but hopefully, the new conference league means that some may actually get into those groups and at least contribute a point or two.
 
rangeral said:
We only have 10th place unless below happens

Austria have 35.825

Win v Antwerp 33.125
2 wins Last 16 34.125
2 wins QF 35.125
1 win +1 draw 35.875
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I think you also get 1 extra point for each progession.
So if we get to Semis with 1 win on the way, we overtake them

1 win out of : Antwerp, 2 last 16s, 2 quarters


I think , like I said rough calcualtion, but Im sure its 1 point per progession. so thats 3 already if we get to semis
 
Blutoe said:
Scotland would be sixth this season going by that chart. No thanks to the also rans from our domestic league. We did this virtually single handedly
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Ced_The_Ted said:
Absolutely, this year a win gets 0.5 points but next year with us plus 4 dumplings entering the coefficient points for a win goes down to 0.4
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And there’s absolutely no chance of Aberdeen contributing any more next season than they did this season.
 
julescotia said:
I think you also get 1 extra point for each progession.
So if we get to Semis with 1 win on the way, we overtake them

1 win out of : Antwerp, 2 last 16s, 2 quarters


I think , like I said rough calcualtion, but Im sure its 1 point per progession. so thats 3 already if we get to semis
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Done another one after messing up just above this post

Doubt the country would get 1 point it would be split per round?
 
Ced's Atomic Dustbin said:
It's very true that having fewer representatives is likely to benefit your coefficient.

Back in 2006 Romania rocketed up from TWENTY-FIFTH to TENTH in one season because Steaua and Rapid had decent runs in the UEFA Cup (semi-final and quarter-final) and it was only being divided by 3 teams rather than 4 or 5 with a couple of non-contributors.

Romania had the highest coefficient score in Europe that year even higher than Spain's despite the fact that Barcelona won the Champions League, Villareal reached the semis and Sevilla won the UEFA Cup.

CupqWqDqL#W#D#LBonusPointsAverage
1​
Romania​
3 teams​
5321697350.516.833
4​
Steaua Bucuresti​
UC121752223.0
5​
Rapid Bucuresti​
UC310732121.5
64​
Dinamo Bucuresti​
UC10121306.0

CupqWqDqL#W#D#LBonusPointsAverage
2​
Spain​
7 teams​
31030231523109.515.642
1​
FC Barcelona​
CL000940729.0
3​
Sevilla​
UC000942325.0
8​
Villarreal​
CL200372621.0
28​
Real Betis​
UC110325312.5
29​
Real Madrid​
CL000323412.0
43​
Espanyol​
UC00033209.0
120​
Osasuna​
UC00001101.0

Having 5 representatives is NOT a good thing for us, but hopefully, the new conference league means that some may actually get into those groups and at least contribute a point or two.
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Nah the conference league won’t favour us. Aberdeen and Hibs won’t compete well against their equivalents in Croatia, Ukraine, Belgium etc. As you say, the fewer representatives the better for a two club country like Scotland.
 
The advantage Scotland have next season is Rangers. Points we gain replace those of 5 seasons previous (which is zero points).

Sadly the coefficient getting divided by five for the country is a bit of a disaster as the likes of Killie qualify and get beat by Welsh bus drivers.
 
julescotia said:
I think you also get 1 extra point for each progession.
So if we get to Semis with 1 win on the way, we overtake them

1 win out of : Antwerp, 2 last 16s, 2 quarters


I think , like I said rough calcualtion, but Im sure its 1 point per progession. so thats 3 already if we get to semis
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The additional points only come for making QF, semi and final, so only 2 if we made the semi finals.
 
Calvinist said:
F.uck the champions league

32 teams will enter the group stages of the 2022/23 Champions League with 26 qualifying automatically.
Those are the league winners from the top 10 countries by coefficient, the runners-up from the nations ranked one to six, and the third and fourth teams from Europe's top four leagues.
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Is my math wrong or am I missing something?

It says 26 auto qualify but the auto places mentioned only comes to 24;


Top 10 1st place.
6 2nd place teams
4 x 2 (3rd/4th) so 8 teams.
 
Looking at the likely winners, Brugge, Ajax, Zagreb or Olympiakos would be our most likely chance of progression from the next round.
The rest are from the big 4 leagues, and Shakhtar.
I suppose if we want to be above Shakhtar, we’d deserve it if we go head to head with them and knock them out.
Presuming we get by Antwerp and get a “favourable” draw in the next round, after that it’s guaranteed to be a biggie!
 
I’d prefer the easiest of routes to the Final. Let the other ’big guns’ knock each other out. As for Shaktar, I’d like them to draw one of the favourites and get knocked out next round while we progress.
 
Calvinist said:
F.uck the champions league

32 teams will enter the group stages of the 2022/23 Champions League with 26 qualifying automatically.
Those are the league winners from the top 10 countries by coefficient, the runners-up from the nations ranked one to six, and the third and fourth teams from Europe's top four leagues.
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I agree that is dismal and hugely protectionist. At least 24 spots for teams from 10 nations, at least 16 spots for teams from 4 nations.

No wonder it’s stale beyond belief - oh look Barca vs PSG again.
 
Stanley said:
I’d prefer the easiest of routes to the Final. Let the other ’big guns’ knock each other out. As for Shaktar, I’d like them to draw one of the favourites and get knocked out next round while we progress.
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Exactly the way we should all want it to be.
Sooner Shakhtar are knocked out the better!
 
CR7 said:
So currently we are still unseeded for the final KO round of champs league qualifiers if we win Q3 however as we are 7th ranked if one of the higher ranked teams are eliminated in Q1-3 we will be seeded in final round. Need to make up over 3 points on red star to jump ahead of them and be seeded regardless.
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A couple of the teams seeded above us might not win their leagues which would push us up also.
 
wampaone said:
I agree that is dismal and hugely protectionist. At least 24 spots for teams from 10 nations, at least 16 spots for teams from 4 nations.

No wonder it’s stale beyond belief - oh look Barca vs PSG again.
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It’s the morality of it all .

that a club that finishes fourth in a bigger league is more worthy of a group stage appearance than a champion of a smaller nation .
And I agree the same clubs , more or less , playing each other in the latter stages .

I prefer the Europa league , bigger mix of different clubs .
 
Stanley said:
I’d prefer the easiest of routes to the Final. Let the other ’big guns’ knock each other out. As for Shaktar, I’d like them to draw one of the favourites and get knocked out next round while we progress.
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Me too mate. I was initially wanting us to get an English side in next rounds draw, but now I just want as smooth a route through as possible.
 
DeeGer10 said:
Shahktar are through you'd think, 2-0 up going into a home leg with Tel Aviv.

Brugge are favourites to qualify at 1/2 at home against Kiev.

Suppose we need to hope one go out this round with the least amount of coefficient points earned and then the draw is favourable to us and not to I Shahktar. (I reckon they are through and we'd need Kiev to go out)
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The amount of points for either team winning a game doesn't change , regardless if the one with more or less points goes out?
gfordloyal said:
Aren’t both Ukraine and us going to be ok as will move up a place with Belgium falling below both of us?
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We'd need to win 8 games, out of 8 and win it to overtake Belgium. With Brugge losing the second leg.
 
It'll be quite ironic if, with all the focus on the Ukraine, we actually manage to overtake Austria. Four wins and a couple of bonus points would do the trick!

#
country​
16/1717/1818/1919/2020/21rankingteams
1
eq
Spain​
20.14219.71419.57118.92815.50093.8556/ 7
2
eq
England​
14.92820.07122.64218.57116.92893.1406/ 7
3
eq
Italy​
14.25017.33312.64214.92814.28573.4385/ 7
4
eq
Germany​
14.5719.85715.21418.71414.21472.5704/ 7
5
eq
France​
14.41611.50010.58311.6667.08355.2481/ 6
6
eq
Portugal​
8.0839.66610.90010.3009.00047.9491/ 5
7
eq
Russia​
9.20012.6007.5834.6664.33338.3826
8
eq
Netherlands​
9.1002.9008.6009.4008.00038.0001/ 5
9
eq
Belgium​
12.5002.6007.8007.6006.00036.5005
10
eq
Austria​
7.3759.7506.2005.8006.70035.8255
11
eq
Scotland​
4.3754.0006.7509.7508.25033.1251/ 4
12
eq
Ukraine​
5.5008.0005.6007.2006.80033.1002/ 5
 
HinshieBluenose said:
It'll be quite ironic if, with all the focus on the Ukraine, we actually manage to overtake Austria. Four wins and a couple of bonus points would do the trick!

#
country​
16/1717/1818/1919/2020/21rankingteams
1
eq
Spain​
20.14219.71419.57118.92815.50093.8556/ 7
2
eq
England​
14.92820.07122.64218.57116.92893.1406/ 7
3
eq
Italy​
14.25017.33312.64214.92814.28573.4385/ 7
4
eq
Germany​
14.5719.85715.21418.71414.21472.5704/ 7
5
eq
France​
14.41611.50010.58311.6667.08355.2481/ 6
6
eq
Portugal​
8.0839.66610.90010.3009.00047.9491/ 5
7
eq
Russia​
9.20012.6007.5834.6664.33338.3826
8
eq
Netherlands​
9.1002.9008.6009.4008.00038.0001/ 5
9
eq
Belgium​
12.5002.6007.8007.6006.00036.5005
10
eq
Austria​
7.3759.7506.2005.8006.70035.8255
11
eq
Scotland​
4.3754.0006.7509.7508.25033.1251/ 4
12
eq
Ukraine​
5.5008.0005.6007.2006.80033.1002/ 5
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Are any bonus points divided by number of clubs involved? And do we get 1 bonus for getting through the next round?
 
Burgh Loyal said:
Are any bonus points divided by number of clubs involved? And do we get 1 bonus for getting through the next round?
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As far as the country coefficient is concerned then yes they do get split so it will count as 0.250 The good thing is, if we get through the next round of course, is that it counts as 1 for our own club ranking.

You get a bonus point for reaching each of Quarter Final, Semi Final and Final. Therefore, if a club makes it to the final, they will earn 3 bonus points in total.
 
HinshieBluenose said:
It'll be quite ironic if, with all the focus on the Ukraine, we actually manage to overtake Austria. Four wins and a couple of bonus points would do the trick!

#
country​
16/1717/1818/1919/2020/21rankingteams
1
eq
Spain​
20.14219.71419.57118.92815.50093.8556/ 7
2
eq
England​
14.92820.07122.64218.57116.92893.1406/ 7
3
eq
Italy​
14.25017.33312.64214.92814.28573.4385/ 7
4
eq
Germany​
14.5719.85715.21418.71414.21472.5704/ 7
5
eq
France​
14.41611.50010.58311.6667.08355.2481/ 6
6
eq
Portugal​
8.0839.66610.90010.3009.00047.9491/ 5
7
eq
Russia​
9.20012.6007.5834.6664.33338.3826
8
eq
Netherlands​
9.1002.9008.6009.4008.00038.0001/ 5
9
eq
Belgium​
12.5002.6007.8007.6006.00036.5005
10
eq
Austria​
7.3759.7506.2005.8006.70035.8255
11
eq
Scotland​
4.3754.0006.7509.7508.25033.1251/ 4
12
eq
Ukraine​
5.5008.0005.6007.2006.80033.1002/ 5
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Similar performance next season would definitely see us leap over Austria and Belgium - would even be challenging Holland.
 
daven37 said:
Similar performance next season would definitely see us leap over Austria and Belgium - would even be challenging Holland.
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Equally these other countries could have good seasons.
It is like all war plans, looks great until the opposition start to fck it up. :)
 
If we get to a similar stage next couple of seasons then there is no reason we can’t go past Austria, Belgium and Russia as they will drop points over the next few seasons
 
scozia said:
If we get to a similar stage next couple of seasons then there is no reason we can’t go past Austria, Belgium and Russia as they will drop points over the next few seasons
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But the higher the Scottish coefficient goes, the more Scottish teams enter European competition, which dilutes the value of our results if they bomb out early as usual. Unless they start to contribute, there's a limit to how high the Scottish coefficient can get even if we started regularly reaching, say, the QF stages.
 
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