Boabmeister
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After 30 games , it’s exactly as black and white as I’m suggesting mateIf Celtic had won some of the games they’d dropped points in they’d have pissed the league.
It’s not as black and white as you’re suggesting.
After 30 games , it’s exactly as black and white as I’m suggesting mateIf Celtic had won some of the games they’d dropped points in they’d have pissed the league.
It’s not as black and white as you’re suggesting.
Next season is almost a write-off, as they'll spend big to avoid the same scare they've had this year. So barring something out of the ordinary, they should win the league next year at a canter.There is a massive financial gulf between us and them.
It'll be extremely difficult to bridge that gap in the next 10+ years.
They make more money than us in almost every way.
Unless our DoFR is really a genius, we are always going to face an uphill battle to stay competitive.
I know what you mean. I was an East Enclosure man. You'll remember another poor season in April 86, then the news about Souness came out of nowhere. Everything changed overnight. Who knows what the future will bring, but not many of us seen that coming.I was there too bro when you could sit wherever you wanted.
I dont think the younger generation would suddenly stop supporting the club.I think Crocker said we’ve only two wins from the last eighteen at the piggery, make that nineteen.
One win from the last thirteen premiership titles.
How long does Rangers believe it can sustain a pitiful lack of success without alienating a generation of support forever?
Remember when we were called the establishment club? There's only one in this country and they're in the east end.They have a complete stranglehold over Scottish football, from the authorities downwards to refs.
Unless that is finally challenged and defeated off the pitch, then we will always struggle to win the League, tbh.
Almost every game we play against them, a big decision goes against us. This is now almost normalised.
Does anyone seriously believe that they and their media would tolerate 14 years at Ibrox without a penalty kick. ?
That's because they have the media and holyrood in their pocket. Please explain how we change that.Blunt truth is we’re a shambolically run club in every aspect. We’ve got seven of the top ten earning players in Scotland right now combined with the biggest wage bill in the league but can barely lay a glove on the yahoos now.
They are also completely and utterly control the narrative around officials in Scotland while our board sit around and say nothing about it.
That's because they have the media and holyrood in their pocket. Please explain how we change that.
In 2011this post would never have existed and i. 2031 it won’t either, we are far to good as a club to accept this and they are honestly far to weird and creepy to sustain anything over a period of time.I feel like we're becoming second to them. I don't mean on the park that can happen ofcourse your not always going to get it right. But in terms of how we see ourselves from the board to the fans. It will never be admitted but feels to me we are a club and a support who expect to be second. We'll win the odd title but is second best who we are now? I hope it's not the case but the statistics over last 20 years are horrific.
I believe now is time to say to the board you have failed us , the board never backed Gerrard after we won 55, the day we were handed the trophy Gerrard said he needed backed to improve and we did not and I say this as someone who was very critical of Gerrard.I think Crocker said we’ve only two wins from the last eighteen at the piggery, make that nineteen.
One win from the last thirteen premiership titles.
How long does Rangers believe it can sustain a pitiful lack of success without alienating a generation of support forever?
Do exactly the same as they’ve been doing for the best part of 25 years now challenge decisions in public, make statements at AGMs, use social media platforms to highlight injustice and last but not least show some fight.
That mob get absolutely lawyered up every time they go up against the SFA and they usually end up beating them.
No coincidence that since Rodgers called out Beaton against Hearts officials have been terrified to give anything against them. Our board are just happy to sit back and take it that’s the main difference not some Machiavellian yahoo conspiracy.
They are absolutely light years ahead of Rangers when it comes to propaganda.
Was thinking that earlier - they've both beat them twice, we haven't managed once (yet, says the optimist in me), and took one point in the league from four games.Hearts and Kiliie have better records against them this season than us
How long can we keep using 2012 as an excuse. We've won an invincible title and reached a european final since then. 2012 has nothing to do with squandering our transfer funds on dross like Davies, Matondo and Lammers.We are still feeling the effects of 2012 and only one team are benefiting. There's no way the Tims would have had the success they've had if we weren't sold up the river by Sir Duped and the malicious damage done to us by dark 19th Century Terrorist forces.
Unless we get a rich benefactor in quickly, unfortunately we might have to suffer a little longer.
Their fathers should bring them up better thenI'm sure he means kids. Children can be fickle and not enjoy supporting a team that is second best every season.
I’m sure the board will continue to get their season ticket money regardless.Shocking stats.
Seeing all over twitter that they're confident of getting 56 before us.
It'll probably happen too.
Absolutely criminal.
Truly horrific.6 league titles in 24 years
1 old firm win in 17 attempts v Rodgers
We are absolutely battered, bruised, crestfallen and scunnered
That's already happened.I feel like we're becoming second to them. I don't mean on the park that can happen ofcourse your not always going to get it right. But in terms of how we see ourselves from the board to the fans. It will never be admitted but feels to me we are a club and a support who expect to be second. We'll win the odd title but is second best who we are now? I hope it's not the case but the statistics over last 20 years are horrific.
Think it was three players brought through from their youth team playing against us yesterday. This financial thing is not an excuse. We have held onto players past their best and giving them wages that no other team will ever give them is what is causing the disparity.There is a massive financial gulf between us and them.
It'll be extremely difficult to bridge that gap in the next 10+ years.
They make more money than us in almost every way.
Unless our DoFR is really a genius, we are always going to face an uphill battle to stay competitive.
Here you go again.We need a manager like Gerrard that learns quickly how to play these games and treats them with the contempt they deserve.
3 managers in a row now completely fail to learn from their mistakes in these games and do the same thing over and over again.
He went 2 full years without losing a game to them when they also had a better squad than they do now. Clement has failed to lay a glove on them 3 games in a row and made the same mistake in every game with the midfield.Here you go
Here you go again.
This'll be you starting your ' get rid of this manager '.
For a start, SG had a far better squad than what PC has available to him.
We’ve been on our most consistent performances in Europe in our history - yes the league is the most important, but nobody outside of Scotland cares about them or sees them as a European force.
Another reason why it’s so sickening to have chucked the title, but it’s not all been bad.
They are self entitled wee wankers to a man with delusions of grandeur, and the unenviable reputation of being child molesters.
Even kids understand that teams lose games mate, no need to throw the toys out and consider supporting someone else or taking up another sport though - that's an entitled way of looking at being a Rangers fan.Of course not. But I can’t help but feel for a younger generation of supporter.
Hahaha. Previous names. I've only ever had one log on here.He went 2 full years without losing a game to them when they also had a better squad than they do now. Clement has failed to lay a glove on them 3 games in a row and made the same mistake in every game with the midfield.
Yes I wanted rid of Gio and Beale. Was I wrong? I called it early with both and everyone else soon agreed. I see massive red flags with Clement and won't blindly put faith in him as I don't see what he has done that deserves that.
Also I've no idea what your previous name was. Why do so many people change their usernames? Did you make a fool of yourself?
Aye but that hasn't always been your username though has it? Pretty sure I know who you are and your name disappeared after you defended Gio to the very last kick.Hahaha. Previous names. I've only ever had one log on here.
Granted, Beale was a disaster. But he was given a summer transfer window to prove he wouldn't cut it.
PC has had one window, January, that everyone knows is notoriously difficult to recruit in and be successful.
Gio, imo, was let down by the board, just like SG. Even though I think he would have ultimately gone down south like he did as he wanted to work his way into the Liverpool job.
Just so my thoughts on you are not misunderstood, I don't trust you. Going with your get rid of Gio post's when he was on the middle of taking us to a European final.
I'd like to just nod and agree with you but they have sustained success they've won 12 out of 13 titles plus numerous cups is that not sustained? I hope your right about 2031.In 2011this post would never have existed and i. 2031 it won’t either, we are far to good as a club to accept this and they are honestly far to weird and creepy to sustain anything over a period of time.
We will be back
Why would that matter to them? I thought we’d only won it once?Shocking stats.
Seeing all over twitter that they're confident of getting 56 before us.
It'll probably happen too.
Absolutely criminal.
I said yesterday, if you were to draw a league table up of all the other team's results against then in the last 5 years, we'd be pretty close to the bottom. It's ridiculous and blows the budget and money argument out the waterHearts and Kiliie have better records against them this season than us
Gerrard was the front he had a team behind him, Clement has only one Scot and that’s Alex Rae that I’ve haven’t rated, Steven Davis although not Scottish has a footballing brain, with someone else? with strong Rangers blood in his veins. Clement himself will have to wise up and not be Mr Nice Guy when it comes to Liewells Scum!We need a manager like Gerrard that learns quickly how to play these games and treats them with the contempt they deserve.
3 managers in a row now completely fail to learn from their mistakes in these games and do the same thing over and over again.
What is that system though? All I'm seeing is long balls to a striker who's biggest weakness is receiving long balls.I think Clements mistake is to treat Celtic like any other big team. He spotted (correctly) that we played with too much fear against the diddy clubs, and has tried to push us to be the dominant team against them, play our own game, worry about only ourselves.
This same attitude, whilst great against the dross (usually), I think doesn’t take account of the harsh reality of the quality difference between us and them.
He’s trying to convince the players they are good enough to play their own game and simply treat Celtic like Ross County. I’m afraid the players simply don’t, and won’t ever, believe it.
I think this is why he’s tactically inflexible against them. It goes against his ethos of “dominant team with a given system”.
Personally, with the current squad, I’d almost rather he acknowledged that special circumstances require special tactics, and tailor the system accordingly.
If they're only bothered supporting a team if they're winning, they're not supporters.
No argument from me on that point, in the last two months. We’ve looked devoid of anything.What is that system though? All I'm seeing is long balls to a striker who's biggest weakness is receiving long balls.
I have no doubt there has been an agenda against Rangers from the Scottish Football authorities ( and beyond) since 2012 and that includes innumerable calls on the pitch favouring Celtic.We’ve not had a penalty at their pig sty for 14 years or so I read.
The refs are their best weapon
I think most will return I will but you are now also looking at the ticket pricesI think its a very real possibility now just look at our attendances in the 80's when we didn't win much.
We have a trophy secured already it’s in the Cabinet. And we have the SCF at neutral Hampden in two weeks which is a possible second .I think Crocker said we’ve only two wins from the last eighteen at the piggery, make that nineteen.
One win from the last thirteen premiership titles.
How long does Rangers believe it can sustain a pitiful lack of success without alienating a generation of support forever?
Something I noticed yesterday , both seen and heard , in the City was the number of Rangers fans around it really looked like we were in the ascendency . Not seen it like that for a while that’s why it struck .There has undoubtedly been a level of mismanagement from the board following 55, I don’t think the football side will improve a great deal with Bisgrove in place but we will see.
For context though, 55 was a major achievement and ahead of plan in terms of our recovery. Those who say the board stood still following 55 are correct to a point but context is everything.
The board members ploughed in their personal wealth and front loaded investment in our recovery. That business model was unsustainable as we all know and they successfully transitioned the club from that to being self sustaining. The money had to be paid back (in shares mostly) and the books balanced. That is a very important milestone and from a business perspective, they have done a brilliant job.
We have spent money, that’s clear but the football board are responsible for mismanaging the football operation.
They have failed to get a player development and player sale model up and running, subsequently lost fortunes through contract mis management and losing significant value in assets (players)
On team investment, they missed a golden opportunity to back Gio in my view. The negative effect was further compounded by handing an open cheque book to a fraud and a failure.
I think PC will succeed but he and any future manager will continue to pay a high price for Bisgrove and `Beales mistakes for years to come.
This years title was so important, that’s gone so this next transfer window and what the manager does is even more important.
If he gets this right, he will be up there with any individual we have seen in recent years that saved our club and brought it back from the brink. We need to stick with PC and give him everything we can as a support and a board.
I speak from experience with my kids and I think a lot of people under estimate the current and next generation of young fans.
2 titles absolutely insane final day, final minute whirlwinds under McLeish who worked miracles whilst Advocaats squad was getting decimated.6 league titles in 24 years
1 old firm win in 17 attempts v Rodgers
We are absolutely battered, bruised, crestfallen and scunnered
We're not sleepwalking into it. We're already right in the middle of it.We are sleepwalking into second best and a frightening amount of our support can’t or won’t see it.
This is a vital point we obviously know the Club have been ‘working it’ but that tactic is imo faltering . A new approach is required I would think .They have a complete stranglehold over Scottish football, from the authorities downwards to refs.
Unless that is finally challenged and defeated off the pitch, then we will always struggle to win the League, tbh.
Almost every game we play against them, a big decision goes against us. This is now almost normalised.
Does anyone seriously believe that they and their media would tolerate 14 years at Ibrox without a penalty kick. ?