Dave King and the TAB ruling

Because they were legallly obliged to hand over all correspondence between them.

I wish people would stop trying to explain things they don't understand. This is in court because DK challenged it. He has based his challenge on NOAL being the shareholders and not him personally.
The court will decide on this, the outcome is debatable but DK is used to legal battles.
All we can do is wait...

In my defense mate, I only asked a question and didn't try to explain anything :p
 
what are the very serious repercussions for DK and Rangers?
If the court order DK to make an offer and he can't or won't then then he'll be held in contempt of court. There are criminal penalties for contempt. Including prison. I don't know how DK could remain as chairman if it came to this. That'd mean Rangers losing the investor who put our business strategy in place and puts in 50% of investment needed to run our structured loss.
This is worst case scenario.
 
The problem for DK here is it is out of his hands. Lord Bannatyne will rule if he must make an offer.
There are potentially very serious repercussions for DK and Rangers here. Refusing to acknowledge this fact won't make it go away.

There are no consequences for Rangers. This action by the Takeover panel is against Dave King only.
 
Because they were legallly obliged to hand over all correspondence between them.

I wish people would stop trying to explain things they don't understand. This is in court because DK challenged it. He has based his challenge on NOAL being the shareholders and not him personally.
The court will decide on this, the outcome is debatable but DK is used to legal battles.
All we can do is wait...
It's not in court because DK challenged TAB. He ignored their ruling he is part of a concert party controlling over 30% of shares and must make an offer to Rangers shareholders. TAB have taken DK to court to have their ruling enforced.
 
It's not in court because DK challenged TAB. He ignored their ruling he is part of a concert party controlling over 30% of shares and must make an offer to Rangers shareholders. TAB have taken DK to court to have their ruling enforced.
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You are correct that is why they have taken him to court but DK is challenging why they did not make NOAL the concert party rather than him.
Given they are a separate legal entity over which he cannot exercise control I think he has a fair point. If they had made NOAL the concert party they would have a stronger case and I think the TP have fucked up by not doing so.
All those who think DK’s family trusts do not have the wealth to cover this are talking shite. Would you crystallise a large tax liability to put money in escrow for a pointless exercise given TP’s error in not including NOAL?
 
Plenty folk with head in the sand in this thread

“King has played a blinder here” etc

Think it’s obvious king doesn’t have the money to make the offer

Or could it be the fact that nobody in their right mind would sell their share for 25 % less than they are actually worth, but a Law Lord could force him to go through the expense of having to approach all shareholders anyway?
 
AJ as chairman and club 1872 buying King shares could this be a possibility in the new year?

As long as King is willing to loan the club money if necessary Im fine with him not being chairman
 
There must be lawyers who have made millions from the number of court cases involving Rangers over the last 5 or 6 years.
King will go down in our history as the man who saved us from an evil and potentially fatal regime. But this particular case worries me as not sure what he has to really gain from fighting this one.
 
If the court order DK to make an offer and he can't or won't then then he'll be held in contempt of court. There are criminal penalties for contempt. Including prison. I don't know how DK could remain as chairman if it came to this. That'd mean Rangers losing the investor who put our business strategy in place and puts in 50% of investment needed to run our structured loss.
This is worst case scenario.
Borderline hysterical. Yes, if King loses this action and refuses to comply then the pursuers can, in theory, apply to have him summoned to the bar of court and explain his refusal to obtemper and only then could the court decide if he is in contempt, but this does not happen often at all. I really don't know why civil imprisonment as a possibility is being brought up consider the rarity of it happening in these circumstances and the current stage of proceedings.
 
Because they were legallly obliged to hand over all correspondence between them.

I wish people would stop trying to explain things they don't understand. This is in court because DK challenged it. He has based his challenge on NOAL being the shareholders and not him personally.
The court will decide on this, the outcome is debatable but DK is used to legal battles.
All we can do is wait...
It isn't in court because King challenged it.

It's in court because he ignored the TAP and they are going to court to make him comply
 
Borderline hysterical. Yes, if King loses this action and refuses to comply then the pursuers can, in theory, apply to have him summoned to the bar of court and explain his refusal to obtemper and only then could the court decide if he is in contempt, but this does not happen often at all. I really don't know why civil imprisonment as a possibility is being brought up consider the rarity of it happening in these circumstances and the current stage of proceedings.
I was asked to explain what serious consequences there could be for DK and Rangers. So I outlined what in my opinion is worst case scenario for both.
 
Exactly this.

I trust Dave King to do whatever is necessary to keep us on the road to recovery. If that means bending rules then so be it.

Some would be better taking a step back to stop and think to where we've been over the last 5 years, before posting hysterical drivel on here.
This type of post terrifies me. It seems some have learned nothing. King deserves scrutiny at a microscopic level as does anyone now charged with responsibility at our club. As for rule bending let's define that as say...ebt! After the club 1872 meeting two nights ago which was as insipid and quite thoroughly depressing read...trust! It has to be earned but is there any chance we can stay away from courts. I personally have had enough of it.
 
Whether anyone takes up his offer or not is irrelevant. He has to lodge somewhere in the region of 9 million in an escrow account on the assumption that his offer will be taken up.

It's pretty obvious he doesn't have it.

How do you know?
 
Can Admin have a test before allowing people to join the site? There seems to be more and more of the unwashed coming on here and I,for one am sick of them. Any excuse to do down and complain about anything Rangers and the Board of Directors, management or anything else.

You could charge £20/£30 a month for here and the obsessed bastards would still sign up.
 
If he had, then this shitfest would never be where it is. He would have complied, share offer made and refused and we carry on - Kings refusal to deal with it speaks volumes.

Please document where it states he's worth 600 million? ..unless of course you mean 600 million rand which is about 30 million and locked up in his kids family trust / inheritance - the one he claimed he would spend.

So, link please to this 600 million fortune :)

Obviously, it's pretty much impossible to determine EXACTLY how rich a rich person is. That said, the South African Sunday Times' rich list for 2015 shows King at #51, with a PUBLICLY-DISCLOSED wealth of 1.1 billion rand - which is about 60 million pounds. See below (the numbers are not continuous because this version of the list shows only people in the IT industry):
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The ratio of views to comments on this thread compared to others tells you all you need to know.

It's all about the Rangers and always will be.
 
I think the problem with making an offer would be that the money he spends (if anyone takes him up on the offer) is not going to benefit the club directly, where as when he has previously given the club a 'loan' it helps the club and will at a later date be converted into shares.
I think its also clear that when he says he doesn't have funds it means he doesn't have millions sitting about in bank accounts, his money is more than likely tied up in investments, assets and in his business.
 
It's not BBC nonsense if King's Counsel states it in court !
I think DKs position is that all his assets are tied up in a trust.

King lost millions due to the whole SARS debacle. He has since tied up everything in such a way that if a SARS situation ever arose again they would find it difficult to freeze "Dave Kings assets" because he doesn't have any - not personally. A clever move by him. Seeing all the dhims on twitter getting excited at the thought of King having no money, they don't have scooby doo about any of this.
 
He has stated in court he doesn't own any of our shares.

Alasdair Lamont‏Verified account @BBCAlLamont 2h2 hours ago

Counsel says information in affidavit shows link between King, Glencoe, Sovereign and NOAL. King claims not to be shareholder in Rangers.




I have never been a fan of King due to the constant lies, this case is sadly reaffirming my viewpoint.

Dave King doesn't own a share in Rangers. That is the truth. He may well be the beneficiary of a company that does hold shares in them but technically he is telling the truth and nothing but the truth. I'm sure that will disappoint a few on here though.
 
Possibly.... Will go either of 2 ways:

- King wins. This is my gut feeling. Best ruling all round and we move on

-King loses. Seems unlikely and even if he does he has set things up so that there is no offer for shares made... Game over for King and paves the way for Murray to walk back in.

How will Murray walk back in? He has to buy a majority shareholding to do anything - how will he do that?
 
Dave King doesn't own a share in Rangers. That is the truth. He may well be the beneficiary of a company that does hold shares in them but technically he is telling the truth and nothing but the truth. I'm sure that will disappoint a few on here though.

Yet in the original TOP report:

#94

Mr King procured the purchase of the Artemis, Miton and River & Mercantile shares by NOAL. The Committee is in no doubt that he thereby acquired an “interest” in the shares held by NOAL within the meaning of that term in Rule 9.1 of the Code. The Code’s definition of “Interests in securities” treats a person who has general control over the rights attaching to securities as having an interest in those securities.

Mr King exercised practical control over the voting rights attaching to the NOAL shares, as is evident by the requisitioning of the General Meeting of 6 March 2015 and the deployment of the NOAL votes at that meeting. As well as enjoying a beneficial interest in the NOAL shares as a beneficiary of The Glencoe Investments Trust, he exercised general control over them.

The Rangers website correctly identifies Mr King as interested in the NOAL shares.

http://www.thetakeoverpanel.org.uk/publication/view/20174-rangers-international-football-club-plc


As innocent as Kings dealings may have been (and the financials of such is way above me), the complexities in the setting up of such seem to have bitten him on the arse (in laymans terms).
 
Is it weak or is it just the way those who have a negative bias towards all things Rangers are reporting it so?

You might think I have a negative bias towards all things Rangers. But to me this whole fiasco is genuinely concerning. DK is highly unpredictable. He's in this situation entirely of his own doing. If he decides to walk away due to the court enforcing TAB's ruling that'd be serious chaos.
On the other hand it could all be a storm in a tea cup. Right now it's impossible to know one way or the other. And while this uncertainty exists people are going to worry. Me included.
 
How will Murray walk back in? He has to buy a majority shareholding to do anything - how will he do that?

I get what you are saying but my point is more if king folds then his grip and lots of other links go with him. It seems Murray is plotting away in the background. Yes, it's unpalatable but if quite a few sources confirming it. Think King and Noal connections and then think how Murray would maneuver
 
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I get what you are saying but my point is more if king folds then his grip and lots of other links go with him. It seems Murray is plotting away in the background. Yes, it's unpalatable but if quite a few sources confirming it. Think King and Noal connections and then think how Murray would maneuver

Murray is doing %^*& all
 
If the court order DK to make an offer and he can't or won't then then he'll be held in contempt of court. There are criminal penalties for contempt. Including prison. I don't know how DK could remain as chairman if it came to this. That'd mean Rangers losing the investor who put our business strategy in place and puts in 50% of investment needed to run our structured loss.
This is worst case scenario.
I could be wrong here,but I get the feeling such a scenario would please you.
 
I get what you are saying but my point is more if king folds then his grip and lots of other links go with him. It seems Murray is plotting away in the background. Yes, it's unpalatable but if quite a few sources confirming it. Think King and Noal connections and then think how Murray would maneuver

What evidence is there that Murray's plotting?

Please don't say Mac Giola Bahn
 
If the court order DK to make an offer and he can't or won't then then he'll be held in contempt of court. There are criminal penalties for contempt. Including prison. I don't know how DK could remain as chairman if it came to this. That'd mean Rangers losing the investor who put our business strategy in place and puts in 50% of investment needed to run our structured loss.
This is worst case scenario.

Isn't he entitled to exhaust the appeals process before he can stand accused of contempt?
 
The ratio of views to comments on this thread compared to others tells you all you need to know.

It's all about the Rangers and always will be.
I’ve been dipping in and out of this to view the hysteria brought on by the media and the Kerryfail lawyers and tax experts who clearly swarm this thread.
 
Isn't he entitled to exhaust the appeals process before he can stand accused of contempt?
He's only in contempt if the court order him to comply with TAB's ruling and he doesn't or can't do it. That's my understanding as a non legal person. I also understand the court's order is final.
 
King lost millions due to the whole SARS debacle. He has since tied up everything in such a way that if a SARS situation ever arose again they would find it difficult to freeze "Dave Kings assets" because he doesn't have any - not personally. A clever move by him. Seeing all the dhims on twitter getting excited at the thought of King having no money, they don't have scooby doo about any of this.
This, he has most of his money tied up in a family trust. Most Wealthy people do. Any problems for him with sars and they can't get much from him.
 
If the court order DK to make an offer and he can't or won't then then he'll be held in contempt of court. There are criminal penalties for contempt. Including prison. I don't know how DK could remain as chairman if it came to this. That'd mean Rangers losing the investor who put our business strategy in place and puts in 50% of investment needed to run our structured loss.
This is worst case scenario.
Don't they have to prove he does indeed have the wealth to make such an offer? You can't make an offer when you don't have the money? King obviously doesn't want the spivs getting a penny, till the share issue when their shares get diluted.
 
If the court order DK to make an offer and he can't or won't then then he'll be held in contempt of court. There are criminal penalties for contempt. Including prison. I don't know how DK could remain as chairman if it came to this. That'd mean Rangers losing the investor who put our business strategy in place and puts in 50% of investment needed to run our structured loss.
This is worst case scenario.

Isn't the most that can happen for contempt in a civil case (which this is) a fine as opposed to imprisonment in a criminal case?
 
Anyone who believes Dave King hasn't got the money to make an offer is bonkers, this is a man who almost bought Liverpool.
Thread is hoaching right enough, Rangers financials = Timmy porn. They are addicted to us.
DK's counsel made it abundantly clear in court today he doesn't have the money. Before the court case King said himself he personally couldn't make an offer but NOAL can. However, NOAL's ability to make an offer wasn't raised by his counsel to Lord Bannatyne ... yet. It almost appeared to me that King's counsel wanted the the court order, if one gets issued, made to DK. Does DK need an excuse to walk away? This case raises a lot of concerns and a lot of questions. I could ignore all of them like a few on here but it wouldn't stop them existing.
 
I think the problem with making an offer would be that the money he spends (if anyone takes him up on the offer) is not going to benefit the club directly, where as when he has previously given the club a 'loan' it helps the club and will at a later date be converted into shares.
I think its also clear that when he says he doesn't have funds it means he doesn't have millions sitting about in bank accounts, his money is more than likely tied up in investments, assets and in his business.
Didn't King sell part of his business in South Africa a few months ago for a healthy profit?
 
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