AstroScotland
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Naw, but I hear they have an up and coming manager..................They any good players going cheap?
Naw, but I hear they have an up and coming manager..................They any good players going cheap?
No, but it’s a problem Scottish football has. Also a problem a lot of ‘big fringe’ clubs like Derby, Notts Forest, Millwall, Stoke etc from the championship (who have no chance of getting to the EPL and remaining there) along with teams from League 1 like Ipswich, Sunderland etc.Yes but the point I'm making is what is in a British league for the likes of Man City and Liverpool that they don't already get by competing in the EPL and Champions League?
The top darts players broke away because the BDO was mismanaging the professional side of the game and there was a dwindling amount of money available. If they hadn't broken away, darts would have eventually ceased to be a professional sport.
That isn't a problem the EPL has.
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Being in the Championship gives you potential access to the EPL. Those clubs aren't going to give that up.No, but it’s a problem Scottish football has. Also a problem a lot of ‘big fringe’ clubs like Derby, Notts Forest, Millwall, Stoke etc from the championship (who have no chance of getting to the EPL and remaining there) along with teams from League 1 like Ipswich, Sunderland etc.
Could possibly argue for teams that always languish at the bottom of the EPL as well, like Southampton and Norwich
That stadum Darlington built was ridiculous.
Bring big Waghorn home on a freebie yassssReds' rivals Derby County 'face liquidation' without HMRC concession
Nottingham Forest's bitter rivals have been in administration for 10 weeks and are rock bottom of the Championshipwww.nottinghampost.com
Football in England,especially in the lower leagues is dying out. My English team have gone from the championship to National league in just over 10 years. Terrible owner, bad managers and terrible players have contributed to it.I believe Derby is only the start, be loads of others in the lower leagues start going.
A few have already went over the last few years. Bury, Scarbrough, Darlington etc.
They could but Derby's other creditors might have something to say about it....£26 million for a side in the second tier of English football shouldn't leave them facing liquidation.
Surely they could arrange to pay off £2-3 million per year?
Could the EFL not help them with it and then claim the money back from Derby via TV revenue (e.g. retaining a share of the TV revenue Derby would otherwise receive?)
They owe HMRC £26m and the administrators want to negotiate that down to a quarter. I'll be stunned if they agree to that. What a massive can of worms it would open.
Its mental. A 25,000 capacity stadium for a club whose average was about 5,000. The problem Darlo have is half the town support Newcastle or to a lesser extent Boro and Sunderland. George reynolds fucked the club good and proper with that stadium.Was in it a few years ago for a Darlington v Mansfield match and it did seem crazy to have such a big ground for such small crowds.
The God of spivs.Its mental. A 25,000 capacity stadium for a club whose average was about 5,000. The problem Darlo have is half the town support Newcastle or to a lesser extent Boro and Sunderland. George reynolds fucked the club good and proper with that stadium.
With the amount of money pouring into their game they should get help from the FA and downsize where needed! Alternatively there is a cigar called hamlet or if only heineken did team league transfers we could do that?£26 million for a side in the second tier of English football shouldn't leave them facing liquidation.
Surely they could arrange to pay off £2-3 million per year?
Could the EFL not help them with it and then claim the money back from Derby via TV revenue (e.g. retaining a share of the TV revenue Derby would otherwise receive?)
£26 million for a side in the second tier of English football shouldn't leave them facing liquidation.
Surely they could arrange to pay off £2-3 million per year?
Could the EFL not help them with it and then claim the money back from Derby via TV revenue (e.g. retaining a share of the TV revenue Derby would otherwise receive?)
He made our past spivs look like amateurs, a convicted burglar, fraudster and money launderer. I can only assume there was no fit and proper person test in the football league back then.The God of spivs.
The story of him and Darlington is mental.
Sure he went to Coventry in the summerBring big Waghorn home on a freebie yassss
Did he ha ha get Shinnie ha haSure he went to Coventry in the summer
Thing is, there’s so many English clubs living outwith their means at the moment. If HMRC do a deal with Derby they’ll leave themselves open in the future which will come back to bite HMRC on the arse
Tricky one
The plan was to turn the club into a Premier League team but it never happened in part because Reynolds was a fantasist. Had they done it right though there is a large fanbase there who might well have supported Darlo rather than Boro and maybe even the skunks. Very few Makems in Darlo to be honest.Its mental. A 25,000 capacity stadium for a club whose average was about 5,000. The problem Darlo have is half the town support Newcastle or to a lesser extent Boro and Sunderland. George reynolds fucked the club good and proper with that stadium.
Southend?Football in England,especially in the lower leagues is dying out. My English team have gone from the championship to National league in just over 10 years. Terrible owner, bad managers and terrible players have contributed to it.
I think I drove passed that stadium coming back from York and had to check it out on Google earth when I got home, very strange & what a waste.Was in it a few years ago for a Darlington v Mansfield match and it did seem crazy to have such a big ground for such small crowds.
Was in it a few years ago for a Darlington v Mansfield match and it did seem crazy to have such a big ground for such small crowds.
Yes and the cheeky git wants all us joe public to pay for free school meals for all kids everywhere very good of him,if someone has a few kids and cant feed them thats there problem dont have them its all our fault the working man Mr Rashford wants me to pay for it out my salary while he earns millions brilliant.Players' wages killing the game.
I see Dr Rashford MBE has been using an offshore account to give himself a loan instead of paying tax. That's rich of him considering he cost the tax payers 1.3 million times £20 per week to feed the "starving" children.
Yeah,a shambles on and off the pitchSouthend?
There is a mountain of debt that gets too easily overlooked when discussing the finances there. There are, always, economic "corrections" at some point where such unsustainable factors arise, and it will be interesting how this plays out eventually.English football is due a reckoning. The whole lot of it is built on sand. It’s an unsustainable mess. The 3 English football league tables have been defined by asterisks and points deductions for years and it’s getting rapidly worse.
When the ESL gets rebadged, represented to us and given the green light (and it absolutely will next time), there is going to have to be an enourmous rethink of the league structure in England. It wouldn’t surprise me if Scottish clubs are looped in with that at some level either.
Phoenix club. For usReds' rivals Derby County 'face liquidation' without HMRC concession
Nottingham Forest's bitter rivals have been in administration for 10 weeks and are rock bottom of the Championshipwww.nottinghampost.com
See Barcelona as just one recent example.There is a mountain of debt that gets too easily overlooked when discussing the finances there. There are, always, economic "corrections" at some point where such unsustainable factors arise, and it will be interesting how this plays out eventually.
A very good example, and it is completely unsustainable.See Barcelona as just one recent example.
Around £1.2 billion in debt ffs
The die has been cast. Any other outcome would demand some extremely far reaching questions on our part.I don't care about Derby County, but I hope they aren't treated the way we were by HMRC. It was utterly disgraceful and vindictive.
Their administrator says "We will agree a deal. HMRC will recognise that the club is insolvent. They have seen our numbers, we will go back with some more detail, they will know full well the club is not in a position to pay that debt in full but what they will hopefully realise is that the offer that is made to them will be better than what they would get in the event the club folded."Reds' rivals Derby County 'face liquidation' without HMRC concession
Nottingham Forest's bitter rivals have been in administration for 10 weeks and are rock bottom of the Championshipwww.nottinghampost.com
Their administrator says "We will agree a deal. HMRC will recognise that the club is insolvent. They have seen our numbers, we will go back with some more detail, they will know full well the club is not in a position to pay that debt in full but what they will hopefully realise is that the offer that is made to them will be better than what they would get in the event the club folded."
Hope he knows that HMRC doesn't do deals (unless you're Arsenal) and that this £26M debt will very soon be over £100M when they add late payment fees and penalties.
That's how it works right?
They set a precedent with Rangers of which there is no going back. I don't doubt for a single second the background of those who architected our demise but HMRC put their stamp on it, and leave themselves wide open to legal recourse should the goalposts be moved in this case. I sincerely hope those in power at the club are watching this whole situation very closely.We were in a unique situation
1. HMRC had serious issues with Craig Whyte going back years, if not decades
2. There was an agenda at play, or at the very least pressure from outwith, to nail us with the maximum they could
I would be surprised if they didn’t offer derby a deal in all honesty, it’s whether it’s an offer they know can’t be met or one to be met.
The thing that angers me is we will never get to the bottom of number 2 above, as journalists were happy to peddle the HRMC lines, they were wishing got HRMC to burst us and as such we’re actively helping them get the messages out , whereas no journalist was willing to actually bring up legitimate concerns or previous actions that HRMC had went through that contradicted there whole stance with us.
We were in a unique situation
1. HMRC had serious issues with Craig Whyte going back years, if not decades
2. There was an agenda at play, or at the very least pressure from outwith, to nail us with the maximum they could
I would be surprised if they didn’t offer derby a deal in all honesty, it’s whether it’s an offer they know can’t be met or one to be met.
The thing that angers me is we will never get to the bottom of number 2 above, as journalists were happy to peddle the HRMC lines, they were wishing got HRMC to burst us and as such we’re actively helping them get the messages out , whereas no journalist was willing to actually bring up legitimate concerns or previous actions that HRMC had went through that contradicted there whole stance with us.
They set a precedent with Rangers of which there is no going back. I don't doubt for a single second the background of those who architected our demise but HMRC put their stamp on it, and leave themselves wide open to legal recourse should the goalposts be moved in this case. I sincerely hope those in power at the club are watching this whole situation very closely.
Given their point blank refusal to resolve our financial issues by way of an alternative solution, why in your opinion would our board rule that out if another club are offered different terms?No one is going to sue HRMC, Or take any action if they act differently, and even if that did happen, nothing would actually come of it.
Given their point blank refusal to resolve our financial issues by way of an alternative solution, why in your opinion would our board rule that out if another club are offered different terms?