georgedoors
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He has to at least the very least have the team battling and different ideas or he will be gone . If the insanity of trying the same old same old he will be gone .
Where I struggle though is the folk shouting loudest about the manager are also scathing of pretty much all the players. They would pretty much chase all of them yet in the meantime Clement is to take them and mould them into treble winners?There was a genuine argument that this time around we could've held fire, took our time and completely rebuilt the footballing structure at the club and appointed a manager at the end of the season(or even announced him mid season to take charge in the summer). The mess Beale and the board caused in the summer virtually called for it.
That Clement came in and for five months had us dreaming of what seemed impossible when he arrived is a huge plus point for him. Not a lot of managers could've done it.
TBH I think fans are so pigsick of this squad that they're almost willing to ignore or excuse failings on the managers part lately. Perfectly understandable but doesn't do us any favours.
The leadership group are done here. But as a team we look a riot tactically and in terms of structure. How many times did Celtic waltz through us as if we weren't there yesterday ? That can't just be on the players. Neither can the amount of times we just long in the corners with diagonals be all on them. It's got to be instructional.
I guess your perception on whose fault that is depends on where you stand. For me, it's both.
Its the way management is going these days. Look at Bayern, sacked Nagelsmann and appointed Tuchel only for a year later trying to go and convince Nagelsmann to take the job on again. More and more clubs are going with the Chelsea model of short term head coach appointments and recruitment done by a football board.The problem with that though is when you burn through managers you get a reputation - managers will then only take the job on a long term deal or with terms that include a bumper pay off.
What I will say is Clement as a player and a coach has show a consistent level across a season to win consecutive titles, something none of our players can boast about.
Paul Le Guen won three titles in a row with Lyon but never even got to finish a season with us. I think too many people fall into the trap of thinking managers are either good or bad like players are judged.Absolutely. You just don't get lucky to win a league three times on the trot with two different teams. You need to have something about you to do it. As a manager he clearly does.
I really like Clement as a manager. For five months it seemed not a single thing fazed him and he just kept plugging along, Not too high with victories, not too low with setbacks, not moaning about anything he faced, always finding solutions to the countless problems he encountered.
The last five weeks though it's like a different guy in charge. Everything he did so well has been cast aside. I've no explanation for it. There's no one thing to point to and go "that's it".
We should have done this. When Beale was sacked I wanted a caretaker manager in to just sit in the dugout until we worked out what the hell was wrong at the root of the football setup.There was a genuine argument that this time around we could've held fire, took our time and completely rebuilt the footballing structure at the club and appointed a manager at the end of the season(or even announced him mid season to take charge in the summer). The mess Beale and the board caused in the summer virtually called for it.
That Clement came in and for five months had us dreaming of what seemed impossible when he arrived is a huge plus point for him. Not a lot of managers could've done it.
TBH I think fans are so pigsick of this squad that they're almost willing to ignore or excuse failings on the managers part lately. Perfectly understandable but doesn't do us any favours.
The leadership group are done here. But as a team we look a riot tactically and in terms of structure. How many times did Celtic waltz through us as if we weren't there yesterday ? That can't just be on the players. Neither can the amount of times we just go long in the corners with diagonals be all on them. It's got to be instructional.
I guess your perception on whose fault that is depends on where you stand. For me, it's both.
He absolutely needs to win it.or is it a free hit until he can bring more players in
He just doesn’t seem to have any idea how to play Celtic, but definitely not helped by the players
How many of the players has he signed? Clement has only had one window which was a winter one this is Beale’s players. Clement will be judged on next season remarkable that he has got any sort of tune out of these flops but next year it will be his squad after a clear out. Look at any manager they need a summer to clear out the deadwood and bring their players in. Rarely managers go in after a sacking and get success without transfer windows previous manager was sacked for a reason - the players.How's it "not his squad"? He started in October. How many new managers in any league get a seven month honeymoon period before officially taking responsibility for the squad? Even with the players brought in and injuries to contend with, our starting XI should be strong enough to beat them at least once... especially considering other teams have managed it. I said today's game was a must-win, the next one is no different, only difference being he'll lose confidence going into a long summer if we lose.
I can’t see us sacking Clement before the end of next season (and I hope we don’t). If he continues to stick with players who continually let’s us down, plays the same bizarre tactics and makes the same strange substitutions then he will be gone by next summer but we absolutely can’t have another mid season appointment.I agree, but again we could be in this situation come November. I am not convinced by Clement, but we cannot sack a manager during the season, and it's not great that it seems something that happens if he loses ground in the early part. We need to be clear who leads us next season, and make sure we have that person throughout the season, in my opinion.
%^*& me man we used to give them a goal of a start and still beat them hone and awayYes.
A Rangers manager who can’t beat Celtic ever doesn’t tend to last long in the role.
So are you saying that if he loses the cup final withLosers mentality
I don't think he will be sacked if he loses the final but is there any evidence that managers turn it round after a bad start with us domestically.So are you saying that if he loses the cup final with
Cortes out, Jack out, Danilo out, Goldson out, Sima out, Matondo out, and Balogun out, we should sack him?
I’m not saying he hasn’t made mistakes, but we’ve all said this squad is poor. I think we have to give him time because knee jerk reactions don’t tend to work.
Are you willing to back him if it doesn't start so well next season? He wasn't the man I wanted here, but if he starts the next campaign as manager he has my backing all the way, no matter what. What we can't afford, is changing managers during a season.So are you saying that if he loses the cup final with
Cortes out, Jack out, Danilo out, Goldson out, Sima out, Matondo out, and Balogun out, we should sack him?
I’m not saying he hasn’t made mistakes, but we’ve all said this squad is poor. I think we have to give him time because knee jerk reactions don’t tend to work.
If we don't win the Cup, his tenure won't last long next season if we also get beaten again at the piggery . We need winners in the manager's chair, 4 losses and one draw against them is not the sign of a winner.
Yep, he absolutely needs fully backed, chopping and changing managers makes us look like a tin pot shambles of a club.Are you willing to back him if it doesn't start so well next season? He wasn't the man I wanted here, but if he starts the next campaign as manager he has my backing all the way, no matter what. What we can't afford, is changing managers during a season.
Let’s bag another manager and do the same all over again.
That’s worked well.
Clement gets the same time Gerrard did. Not in question. If it’s pish for another year r so, we need to suck it up.
Aye but there’s a huge difference, Rodgers inherited the best squad in the country and was given a load of cash to spend.In 2018 circumstances Clement may have got the 3 years Gerrard did but he won’t now. Gerrard was a huge name and from the off had the fans believing in something. Getting results against Celtic got him there even if trophies didn’t happen.
Fans are all out of patience after almost a decade back in the top flight.
If the shoe was on the the other foot and Rodgers was staring down 4 defeats to us it wouldn’t be any different.
I partly agree, but we can't deny there is a huge question mark about Clement's ability to manage Rangers if we lose the final, and to suggest there isn't is to deny the obvious. My number one concern right now is what a loss in the final does to affect next season, and we need to ask ourselves now what is best for Rangers rather than make that decision during a season. Will Clement handle even greater pressure next season, for instance? I don't know if he will or not, but we do need a fair idea he will do.Anyone who thinks our manager should go if we don’t beat Them in the cup final is a mile out imo
The man needs at least 2 more windows to shape his own team
And to be rid of the serial losers and the dross in our team
I don’t mind losing to them as much if it’s purely because the player they have available are better than ours.I partly agree, but we can't deny there is a huge question mark about Clement's ability to manage Rangers if we lose the final, and to suggest there isn't is to deny the obvious. My number one concern right now is what a loss in the final does to affect next season, and we need to ask ourselves now what is best for Rangers rather than make that decision during a season. Will Clement handle even greater pressure next season, for instance? I don't know if he will ot not, but we do need to know he will do.
No, but he's picking them.He didn’t assemble this walking football team
If he hasn't won in four old firm games there is going to be major pressure going into next season, without a doubt. The story that followed Beale was that he didn't win the really important games, strangely something you don't hear about Clement, but how long before this becomes the defining feature surrounding Clement? I hope we win the SC anyway, but it's undeniable we need to see us winning it for Clement's sake as well.I don’t mind losing to them as much if it’s purely because the player they have available are better than ours.
It’s the fact that the games under Clement have been Groundhog Day material. It’s either total arrogance, or a concerning lack of ability.
Aye but there’s a huge difference, Rodgers inherited the best squad in the country and was given a load of cash to spend.
Clement inherited a shambles and has spent very little, 2 loans, 1 of whom got a bad injury, plus Diomande.
The board absolutely need to ignore any noise and stick with him.
Postecoglu would've been out a job by Christmas if our board backed Gerrard and we would've been laughing. If our manager can't beat Celtic they are always going to come under intense pressure. I don't think Clement can win the Cup final as too many of our players are terrified of them. When we are looking to recruit new players we have to ask would they get in Celtic's first 11 and if the answer is no then they are not good enough for us. Prior to Gerrard arriving Celtic were looking to win by record margins and had it not been for Butland on Saturday they'd have done so. We had a must win game and I don't recall Hart making a save that's how much we've regressed.We should have done this. When Beale was sacked I wanted a caretaker manager in to just sit in the dugout until we worked out what the hell was wrong at the root of the football setup.
It would have removed the risk of a new manager developing scar tissue during an already flawed season.
I also desperately did not want us to hand out another 3/4 year contract straight away.
If you want to beat your rivals you need to look at what they do differently and try and emulate some of it. Now people hate the idea of us doing that because it’s them but to ignore it because of “staunchness” is counter productive. So what did they do when it all fell apart? They put Tony Docherty in and took a decision to make a permanent appointment in the summer. They then refused to offer more than a one year rolling contract off the bat. Now we laughed when Eddie Howe rejected them but we weren’t laughing once Postecoglou got his side going.
Even Rodgers started on a rolling contract, but according to experts on here every time we need to re-hire, every manager needs multi year security. I don’t get how those two things occur simultaneously.
I’m obviously praying Clement is the man, but if he isn’t and it starts to unravel early I’m also praying we realise this mid season appointment strategy isn’t working.
I don’t think Clement could ever be prepared for the incoming flak of most of this bunch of losers are here next season.If the majority of the players in the team are the same next season then the same thing will happen.
He needs this cup too show he can beat them and is a winner.
He won't be given much time next season if he can't beat them. Gio got us to a European final and was bombed out. Rangers fans are not patient.
Of course sacking him is mental , we'llCorrect.
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If we spend £15m, they are players of Clement and Koppens choosing and we are still floundering this time next year then he will deserve the sack, certainly not beforeOf course sacking him is mental , we'll
Spend 15m keep Tav and wait till the league is done again first
So do I, for some strange reason. In fact, I'm very confident. I've got a feeling Celtic think they just have to turn up to win.He'll be here next season regardless.
Needs to be given a proper summer transfer window and preseason.
FWIW I think we'll beat them in Final.