Agree, it’s bonkers the amount of posters trying to convince people we will be lucky to get 10 million.This thread is hoaching.
We don't need to re-adjust our expectations when it comes to Alfie's value. The transfer market will be business as usual, the initial fears about Covid, were down to a fear in the inability to honour TV contracts and what impact that would have. Most if not all leagues are completing the season and those contracts are mostly honoured. The transfer window bubble won't burst, not to the extent some on here think it's going to and certainly won't among the top 5 leagues. Clubs outside of that will likely cash in on assets this summer. Sides will likely structure deals differently however. Scottish football will suffer and we all know why but it shouldn't mean we cash in for a quick buck, we aren't in as much financial stress as other teams will be.
Let's just look at Everton in the last few windows, last summer they spent £24 million on Moise Kean from Juventus and £34 million on Richarlison from Watford. Summer before that £20 million on Cenk Tosun. With all of this in mind, people honestly think we should be snapping their hands off for a fee as low as £15 million for Alfredo Morelos? The bastards ripped us off for Jelavic, I'm happy to try and take them a ride on this one.
The amount of posts I've read that parrot back what you see being regurgitated by mentally challenged media mouthpieces, is truly astounding. I thought we were all to boycott the Scottish press? Guess not.
Imagine the guys on here had to negotiate the deal.
Everton: *we’ll give you £20m*
“Nah lets make it £15m, he’s not worth more than that, never scored against Celtic, can’t carry his side for a full season and the market has to change now because of this coronavirus malarkey so I don’t want you skint EPL sides having to strain yer finances”
Agree, it’s bonkers the amount of posters trying to convince people we will be lucky to get 10 million.
West Ham spent 45 million on a striker last year, that’s the market. West ham.
Like you say Dembele and tierney have set a precedent, we don’t need to sell either.That's big league to big league market. Scotland is still seen as a cheap hunting ground for talent and we're all selling clubs.
Hopefully now with Robertson, McGinn, Tierney, Armstrong etc doing well down south we can stand our ground more because there's proof that talent can do well down there.
Like you say Dembele and tierney have set a precedent, we don’t need to sell either.
Really, will they..We kinda do though. We don't desperately need to sell players to keep the lights on nor do we need to sell our assets cheaply.
However - we don't have many big revenue streams, TV money is peanuts, prize money is peanuts. Europe isn't a guarantee, all our players have a price. It's clear from our business model in recent years that we intend to buy low and sell high and that's how we'll successfully run our business.
Our directors have been amazing in recent years putting their hands in their own pockets but they'll want to start posting profits as soon as possible.
‘But, but he hasnae scored against Celtic’
The one line that boils my piss. Anyone who thinks that will be used to negotiate his transfer fee is delusional. Clubs will try to get him for less than he’s valued by us. Simple. He is on a new longer term contract, and unless we’re skint, as some will have us believe, we are in no rush accept anything below what we value him at.
Really, will they..
I honestly don’t see it as a problem. So long as he continues to give them the same problems that he has done in every appearance against them, it won’t bother me if he never scores against them.I'm a massive fan of Alfredo Morelos but our main striker failing to score agaisnt the bheggars is a problem.
It probably won't affect his transfer fee in the same way that the last two months of the season won't.
No one said anything about Gerrard not wanting to keep Morelos in that scenario, but a 50 million quid transfer would represent double the highest fee ever paid for a player in Scotland, the 36th highest transfer in world history and a 4900% increase in the amount that we paid for him. He'd have been offski, mate.
The lack of bids in that situation clearly indicates that clubs aren't willing to pay what we think he's worth - a point picked up on by @BrooklynBlue , which is fair enough. In which case, we're evaluating him too highly. Transfers are prolonged affairs that start with clubs bidding below what they think a player would go for and inching closer to the club's evaluation as time goes on. Morelos hasn't even been subject to a cheeky, lowball bid that the club can deride in public in an attempt to get his price up. It just isn't happening, for some reason.
To bring in @BrooklynBlue again, I'm loathe to disagree with the idea that the football world is full of perfect experts, but a quote from Arsene Wenger has always stuck with him - "everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home." Our love of Morelos represents a standard affection and recency bias for probably the first hero that most Rangers fans have had in a while and almost certainly our best player for the past however many years. But in the world of football, no one else thinks that our wife is pretty, as well. I'd say that's pretty noteworthy.
Who gives a %^*& if he's scored against the scum,he drags them all over the place and that leaves space for everyone else to exploit. Make no mistake,the scum are terrified of him,plain and simple!
If I may say. that was a post long in word count, but short in common sense.
Given Morelos's performance in the SPL, and more significantly, his performance stats playing for Rangers in Europe, more than justify a 20m absolute minimum valuation being placed on him - with a fair value being perhaps closer to the 25m mark. Both estimates are in the region of what most Rangers fans would find acceptable as a transfer fee for Morelos.
It has absolutely nothing to do with your Arsne Wegner quote "...everyone thinks they have the prettiest wife at home...", though it may be fitting that you quoted the former manager of Arsenal, a club that recently felt able to pay 25m for a frequently injured celtic fullback, who still can't command a regular place in a poor Arsenal defence. To say that Morelos - bearing in mind that the premium for strikers is generally much higher than for fullbacks - could not command a fee at least approximate to that of Tierney, makes little sense. It is the logic of Martin Bain.
Thought I'd pop in to this thread to see if there's any more to this story...
I'll make this next post a helluva lot shorter, then: his half season performance in a league in which we trailed Celtic by 13 points in February and his goals in the Europa League seem of little consequence or interest to clubs for them to become even remotely interested in a 20-25 million evaluation. How do we know this? Because despite being commodified at every turn, his worth to the team defined almost entirely financially, his own upfront desires to play in a better league and the efforts of his agent in linking him with just about every club in Europe (oh, and Asia) we just haven't seen those bids, have we? In fact, we haven't seen any bids, at all, at any price.
I'm almost not entirely sure I haven't said he might not go for 25 million, and I certainly didn't mention Tierney, references to whom on here always confuse me a little.
The Tierney reference was made simply because the argument is frequently made that because the SPL is often viewed (with good reason) as a 'pub league' whose players can't be expected to command high transfer fees. Tierney's 25m transfer to Arsenal - whilst still modest by EPL standards - provides a yardstick to guage what Rangers might reasonably hope to ask for Morelos (actually, more because he is a striker).
Sorry - I'm well aware of that. It's just that his transfer fee is discussed simultaneously in lots of different ways. I can never tell if people think it was too much and that Morelos should go for more, whether it was about right but that Morelos is worth more, or whether their transfer fees are comparable. All of the above, probably, depending on the direction of wind.
For what it's worth Tierney has more medals than I dare to look up and we're in a duopolistic league which has actually been monopolistic for the entirety of Morelos' time here. Who's shelling out big bucks for a guy with no medals next to his name when the league is already regarded as shite?
his record for the past 2 seasons pisses all over that of Eduardo who’s openly touted by the media as being worth £30 million
really for scoring goals in Scottish football ?
he scored 3 goals in Europe last season one of them a penalty , Morelos on the other hand was banging them in breaking records along the way but it continually talked down
Fact is Eduardo would love to have Morelos’s goal stats for the past 2 seasons
Did anyone bid for wee plooky VL at Celtc before Arsenal paid 25 million for him? I genuinely dont know.Which makes the lack of any bids all the more confusing.
Did anyone bid for wee plooky VL at Celtc before Arsenal paid 25 million for him? I genuinely dont know.
Agree, you win as a team not an individualWho gives a %^*& if he's scored against the scum,he drags them all over the place and that leaves space for everyone else to exploit. Make no mistake,the scum are terrified of him,plain and simple!
Sorry - I'm well aware of that. It's just that his transfer fee is discussed simultaneously in lots of different ways. I can never tell if people think it was too much and that Morelos should go for more, whether it was about right but that Morelos is worth more, or whether their transfer fees are comparable. All of the above, probably, depending on the direction of wind.
For what it's worth Tierney has more medals than I dare to look up and we're in a duopolistic league which has actually been monopolistic for the entirety of Morelos' time here. Who's shelling out big bucks for a guy with no medals next to his name when the league is already regarded as shite?
I think, when you refer to Tierney and his medal collection, you need to appreciate that Tierney was playing for a team that had multiple unfair advantages conferred on it by a corrupt Scottish football hierarchy. The 'stacked-deck' which resulted accounted for many of the nine-in-a-row league titles they won - all which should, IMO, be asterisked, along with Tierney's medals.
Here’s some Alfredo stats
Scored 30 goals last season ....
Scored 29 this season before lockdown that included 14 in Europe, Alfredo broke the Scottish record for number of goals scored before Xmas in Europe, an amazing feat when you consider some of the great strikers that have played in our game for both sides
He hit 6 in the group stages with goals against Porto , Feyenoord and Legia Warsaw
Never in the history of Scottish football has a player been talked down by the media and agenda driven people as Morelos
In comparison Eduardo over at Celtic is a good player only a fool would say otherwise, last season when Morelos was hitting 30 goals he struggled to get a place on the Celtic bench , this season he’s scored 30 goals before lockdown that includes his 3 goals in Europe ( one of them a penalty kick ) , that’s a poor return for a striker widely reported by the same media as being in the £30 million bracket .... really for scoring goals in Scottish football ?
As his stats clearly don’t back it up , if truth be told Morelos has a record over the last 2 seasons Eduardo would love to have
Morelos stats are far superior to Eduardo yet one is been touted for £30 million and one is continually talked down and rubbished
It can only be the colour of Morelos jersey that encourages so many to write like this
I understand Morelos has had his discipline called into question but given the Frenchman shot a passer by with an air rifle when in France he’s hardly a role model either
None of which are taken into account by selling club, buying club, agents or scouts. The spfl is biased and therefore he’s worth £5M less doesn’t happen, much as we wish it should.I think, when you refer to Tierney and his medal collection, you need to appreciate that Tierney was playing for a team that had multiple unfair advantages conferred on it by a corrupt Scottish football hierarchy. The 'stacked-deck' which resulted accounted for many of the nine-in-a-row league titles they won - all which should, IMO, be asterisked, along with Tierney's medals.
None of which are taken into account by selling club, buying club, agents or scouts. The spfl is biased and therefore he’s worth £5M less doesn’t happen, much as we wish it should.
It doesn’t, teams want winners or born winners, tierney, regardless of our circumstance sadly showed that. A compliant press is definitely worth it. Just look at Everton fan chat, forum poke as 55% against signing Morelos various articles cited, there are tons. Tierney? There were known. Perception is a big part and sadly Morelos doesn’t have a good repThe hardest thing to do in football is to be able to put the ball into the net consistently, which is why strikers - as opposed to full backs - have always gone for a premium in the transfer market. Why then would you assert than an injury-prone full-back would be worth more than the top goalscorer who plays in the same league? Why would anyone - scout, agent, manager be unduly influenced by the number of medals Tierney has - knowing that the medals were mainly obtained due to a financially hobbled Rangers being unable to compete financially with Tierney's parent club. Don't you think this fact isn't widely known? If anything, it puts an even bigger gloss on Morelos' accomplishments.
Facts are important in this context and you’re reporting is slightly skewed.
Morelos played 46 games, scored 29 goals and had 10 assists in all games including European qualifiers in season 2019/20.
Edouard played 45 games, scored 27 goals and had 19 assists in the same season.
Crucially, for me, in the league Edouard played 27 games, scoring 21 goals and had 12 assists.
Morelos played 26 games but could only muster 12 goals and 3 assists. Those stats are shocking when viewed against his massive performances in Europe against the good opposition. It’s why though, likely, edouard is seen as a more consistent level headed dependable player. That’s before we look at discipline records which we all know too well.
You pay for the full package and I’m sorry, but Morelos isn’t as complete a package as edouard.My point was strikers are paid to score goals not assists and I’ve never read that if someone is interested in buying a striker saying he only scored xx but he’s got lots of assists
In Europe where strikers are judged / rated Morelos has a far better record than Eduardo but for some reason he’s valued at £30 million and Morelos is continually talked down with the usual suspects saying he’s only worth £10 million despite having a superior record at home and in Europe over the past 2 seasons
My point was strikers are paid to score goals not assists and I’ve never read that if someone is interested in buying a striker saying he only scored xx but he’s got lots of assists
In Europe where strikers are judged / rated Morelos has a far better record than Eduardo but for some reason he’s valued at £30 million and Morelos is continually talked down with the usual suspects saying he’s only worth £10 million despite having a superior record at home and in Europe over the past 2 seasons
Facts are important in this context and you’re reporting is slightly skewed.
Morelos played 46 games, scored 29 goals and had 10 assists in all games including European qualifiers in season 2019/20.
Edouard played 45 games, scored 27 goals and had 19 assists in the same season.
Crucially, for me, in the league Edouard played 27 games, scoring 21 goals and had 12 assists.
Morelos played 26 games but could only muster 12 goals and 3 assists. Those stats are shocking when viewed against his massive performances in Europe against the good opposition. It’s why though, likely, edouard is seen as a more consistent level headed dependable player. That’s before we look at discipline records which we all know too well.