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And reads like it was written by a 5 year old.A clickbait headline that really doesn't expand upon or back up the point in any way.
And reads like it was written by a 5 year old.A clickbait headline that really doesn't expand upon or back up the point in any way.
I got pelters for suggesting that Mols gets romanticised an awful lot, 19 games can’t define someone’s career!I agree he is, folk saying Mols for 6 really good months are talking garbage.
Wouldn’t suit our team at all IMO, that said he’d be a useful option to have.I'd go with Prso myself, if we had him now we'd really be one hell of a team.
I got pelters for suggesting that Mols gets romanticised an awful lot, 19 games can’t define someone’s career!
And reads like it was written by a 5 year old.
I agree with the OP, but it’s very close with Jelavic. Alfie has done it in Europe, something Jelavic didn’t do.
Jelavic was also older and more experienced when he came to us, he was very skilful but I don’t remember him spraying 50 yard passes the way Alfie can when on form.
Alfie also has a higher ceiling than Jelavic IMO.
Very hard to call, but I’d agree with the OP.
Mols for those first four months was out of this world, but it was only four months and a dozen goals.I agree he is, folk saying Mols for 6 really good months are talking garbage.
Yeah I agree with most of that, Jelavic only really played in the Malmö (and maybe Maribor) games in Europe but obviously we didn’t progress.Both of them were different types of strikers
For technique, all round ability and finishing, Jelavic was streets ahead. Some of the goals he scored, Morelos could only dream of if we’re being honest. Overhead kick at Pittodrie, side volley first time at Tynecastle from a 70 yard ball to name a couple. Right, left, headers, free kicks for fun not to mention he could be relied upon against the mentally challengeds and didn’t have a mental block in terms of scoring
Morelos has the more aggression of the 2 and could occupy more than 1 defender, more a physical threat
In terms of Europe, I may be wrong but I’m sure Jelavic missed most of our European group games through the injury he picked up at Tynecastle from Black. Put him out from around October - February IIRC
Great times Grigo.A great shame what happened to Michael, but you are correct. I pretty much saw every game he played for us too.
Prso was also much more consistent than Morelos, who for much of the season didn't contribute that much to the cause.I agree with the OP, but it’s very close with Jelavic. Alfie has done it in Europe, something Jelavic didn’t do.
Jelavic was also older and more experienced when he came to us, he was very skilful but I don’t remember him spraying 50 yard passes the way Alfie can when on form.
Alfie also has a higher ceiling than Jelavic IMO.
Very hard to call, but I’d agree with the OP.
Not sure I agree with that, we only really got one decent season out of Prso but similarly to Morelos, he could win games on his own.Prso was also much more consistent than Morelos, who for much of the season didn't contribute that much to the cause.
Yeah I agree with most of that, Jelavic only really played in the Malmö (and maybe Maribor) games in Europe but obviously we didn’t progress.
I may be wrong, he scored a cracking goal against Malmö then missed a sitter I think?.
Not a criticism, genuinely asking because I can’t remember.
Yes mate, season 11/12 and those knock outs proved fatal in financial terms!.Away to Malmö we ended up down to 9 men through Bougherra going mental and Whittaker scudding one of their players with a ball IIRC
We scored early on through Jelavic I recall. Although IIRC this was under McCoist not Walter as I think Jelavic was cup tied after joining from Rapid?
Worth noting this is the first season in which you could say Morelos has played in a Rangers team comparable to the ones Jelavic played in. Jelavic never had to carry a Rangers team, some of the sides Morelos has been a part of have been dire by comparison. Quite an important distinction to make really given the context.
Pre-injury Mols was mind blowing in all honesty, on ability and technique alone he’d be a clear winner, he was incredible at Utrecht and we were told he was special when we got him so it was no fluke. I feel Prso is a little bit underrated a times too, another Rangers striker who at times had to carry his team; could run at defenders, could bully defenders, could create and also scored big games goals. He was fantastic for Croatia too.
I agree Jelavic didn’t have to carry a team as such, but when he returned from injury he was crucial in the last 2-3 months of the season chipping in with some big goals in the league run in and obviously the winner in the cup final
I agree he is, folk saying Mols for 6 really good months are talking garbage.
100% serious.You can’t be serious
On what basis tho? Mols was incredible pre injury but that injury did have a huge impact on his contribution. Jelavic was pure silk but again have to question whether 18 months can be measured against what Morelos has provided us in 3 seasons.I mean, he isn’t.
then you could also argue his first two where he really only showed up until the winter break, then became a shadow of himself. On ability I have Mols and Jelavic as better and more naturalOn what basis tho? Mols was incredible pre injury but that injury did have a huge impact on his contribution. Jelavic was pure silk but again have to question whether 18 months can be measured against what Morelos has provided us in 3 seasons.
I'm not saying this headline is correct but there's definitely a debate to be had.
The Europa competition is far more competitive now that UEFA Cup was back in the day. Champions League is basically a closed shop now, it kind of was then but far more so now. If we gain an automatic entry into the CL then Alfredo has played a significant part through goals, assists and all round play to get us those coefficient points that have put Scotland into that position.Completely disagree, Mols without question
Let's not forget that the champion's league is also a step above the Europa League
I can argue against that as we are now in March and he absolutely terrorised Anderlecht to get us into the last 16 of the Europa Cup.then you could also argue his first two where he really only showed up until the winter break, then became a shadow of himself. On ability I have Mols and Jelavic as better and more natural
Negri was just as good as Mols was for half a season. Perhaps not as skilful but certainly more clinical.Pre injury Mols was the best we have ever had, just incredible.
It’s why I never mentioned this season, he’s been vital and has changed his game massively to suit and help the team. Even with his lack of goals he’s huge to us and how we play, a bit like Tav when he isn’t playing we don’t play as wellI can argue against that as we are now in March and he absolutely terrorised Anderlecht to get us into the last 16 of the Europa Cup.
Last season doesn't come into it as the season wasn't finished. The season before I'll give you and the season before that (when he was 22) he clearly had his head turned with talk of funny money from China.
Surely this season has to count tho as does his all round play? See when you factor in how important he is leading the line despite not scoring then stop and take stock of his goals tally that surely signifies that he's a tremendous player?It’s why I never mentioned this season, he’s been vital and has changed his game massively to suit and help the team. Even with his lack of goals he’s huge to us and how we play, a bit like Tav when he isn’t playing we don’t play as well
Obviously it counts I was merely highlighting previous seasons, and I just did factor in all those points. I’m not being critical either all I said was I believe Mols and Jelavic to be better and have more natural abilitySurely this season has to count tho as does his all round play? See when you factor in how important he is leading the line despite not scoring then stop and take stock of his goals tally that surely signifies that he's a tremendous player?
Natural ability all day long but the game is about more than that.Obviously it counts I was merely highlighting previous seasons, and I just did factor in all those points. I’m not being critical either all I said was I believe Mols and Jelavic to be better and have more natural ability
Negri was just as good as Mols was for half a season. Perhaps not as skilful but certainly more clinical.
I got pelters for suggesting that Mols gets romanticised an awful lot, 19 games can’t define someone’s career!
It goes both ways, I think there are certain people in this thread devaluing players like Mols.The Europa competition is far more competitive now that UEFA Cup was back in the day. Champions League is basically a closed shop now, it kind of was then but far more so now. If we gain an automatic entry into the CL then Alfredo has played a significant part through goals, assists and all round play to get us those coefficient points that have put Scotland into that position.
I really don't get why we consistently devalue or even fail to realise what we have in our hands. it's only after he leaves will those who do so begin to wake up to what a phenomenal talent he is.
He was good but he wasn't world-class. Folk forget he was 28 and at Utrecht when he signed for us. World-class strikers aren't playing for Utrecht at 28.He played 6 times for Holland, with no goals.
I loved the guy, but I fail to see where the justification is for calling him world class.
I think he means finishing wise.No he was not.
Mols was running rings round the likes of Cannavaro, Thuram and Matthaus.
These are legend of the game, some of the best defenders in history and Mols was able to treat them as if they were hammer throwers playing for St Mirren.
You're doing the exact same thing with Mols. After his injury he wasn't anything special but everyone always judges him on the first 20 games, not the 80 that came after.It goes both ways, I think there are certain people in this thread devaluing players like Mols.
It's very easy to fall into the trap of thinking current players are better because you're watching them week in week out and they're achieving things. Mols playing for Rangers is now simply a distant memory, and memories are open to corruption over time.
Morelos has let us down so often as well, which is another thing that people forget, he didn't want to be here a few months ago and his play was awful in some games. This is even taking into consideration the new role he's been given to play.
I'm being honest in my assessment of Morelos, he's a good player but that's it. It's almost as if due to us being papped illegally down the leagues and having to deal with watching real journey men pull on our strips that suddenly when we get a good player it's been over-blown.
I value Morelos at around 20m, but if it was a fit Mols I'd be valuing him far higher.
Don't you get that by valuing something else higher it doesn't mean that you're reducing the value of something else?
If opinions on this forum were to be believed over the time Morelos has been here he's been valued from around 5m to 30m at various stages, and should be kept at all cost or gotten rid of depending on his disciplinary record that week.
I don't value my opinion over anyone elses, but boy have I seen some fluctuations in opinion. Whereas my opinion has been pretty much the same all this time. He can be our best player when he's in form, but when he's not he can be our worst player and this inconsistency is something which great players tend to have less of.
Mols was an incredible player, in my opinion Morelos isn't at that level. He may yet reach that, but it is not likely given what I've seen of him over the past few years.
Simply my opinion and not all opinions are supposed to match.
He was good but he wasn't world-class. Folk forget he was 28 and at Utrecht when he signed for us. World-class strikers aren't playing for Utrecht at 28.
What would you value a 24 year old Mols at, Mols was playing mid table-lower end Dutch teams till he joined us.It goes both ways, I think there are certain people in this thread devaluing players like Mols.
It's very easy to fall into the trap of thinking current players are better because you're watching them week in week out and they're achieving things. Mols playing for Rangers is now simply a distant memory, and memories are open to corruption over time.
Morelos has let us down so often as well, which is another thing that people forget, he didn't want to be here a few months ago and his play was awful in some games. This is even taking into consideration the new role he's been given to play.
I'm being honest in my assessment of Morelos, he's a good player but that's it. It's almost as if due to us being papped illegally down the leagues and having to deal with watching real journey men pull on our strips that suddenly when we get a good player it's been over-blown.
I value Morelos at around 20m, but if it was a fit Mols I'd be valuing him far higher.
Don't you get that by valuing something else higher it doesn't mean that you're reducing the value of something else?
If opinions on this forum were to be believed over the time Morelos has been here he's been valued from around 5m to 30m at various stages, and should be kept at all cost or gotten rid of depending on his disciplinary record that week.
I don't value my opinion over anyone elses, but boy have I seen some fluctuations in opinion. Whereas my opinion has been pretty much the same all this time. He can be our best player when he's in form, but when he's not he can be our worst player and this inconsistency is something which great players tend to have less of.
Mols was an incredible player, in my opinion Morelos isn't at that level. He may yet reach that, but it is not likely given what I've seen of him over the past few years.
Simply my opinion and not all opinions are supposed to match.
I think he means finishing wise.
48 in 145, from memory.I think Michael got 38 goals in 98 appearances for us Eddie, which was good but nothing special in Rangers striker terms.
Strange that you're telling me what I'm judging a player on, if you'd like to know I am judging him before the injury.You're doing the exact same thing with Mols. After his injury he wasn't anything special but everyone always judges him on the first 20 games, not the 80 that came after.
I didn't watch him at that age so cannot comment in all honestyWhat would you value a 24 year old Mols at, Mols was playing mid table-lower end Dutch teams till he joined us.
People forget Mols was 28/29 when he signed and at his peak.
Kris Boyd was a very good finisher at SPL level.
However, you could never build a team structure or a way of playing around Kris Boyd's forward play.
You can with Alfie.
Kris is a fine part to fit into a good well-oiled side, the difference is that Alfie is a player who can make the other parts work into the shape he provides himself.
Because that's the topic.Strange that you're telling me what I'm judging a player on, if you'd like to know I am judging him before the injury.
He's the best striker I've seen play for us, he then received a horrific injury and that practically ended him as a class player.
That's not his fault and no reason why his time at the club should be tarnished, he tried his best to come back and he just wasn't the same player.
Why do I have to judge a player over his entire Rangers career? Why can't I judge him on my terms - ie the best striker I've seen play in a Rangers strip?
48 in 145, from memory.