prenzlauerbear
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The idea that Gerrard is giving Katic some kind of raw deal is complete nonsense.
Katic is the type of defender fans love. No nonsense. Goes into every tackle 100%.wins every header. And isnt scared to punt the ball away if needed. But Helander has come in and been really good, is better on the ball which definitely helps in the spl.It’s the strangest thing the love affair some have for him.
for the avoidance of doubt I like Katic but the last 2 games we have replaced him with a Swedish international and had 2 clean sheets, it’s not like we have been rubbish.
Feel helander brings better balance as well as improving barisic's game. Those two are building a nice relationship
We were perfectly safe, then.He was decent today , only negative was when him and May challenged for the ball which fell for MOH.
He is though, I mean that’s two seasons in a row katic has played a major part of our europa league qualifying campaign and then been dropped out of the team the minute we play in the groups.The idea that Gerrard is giving Katic some kind of raw deal is complete nonsense.
I get what you are saying mate but people can’t have it both ways on here. Either the “dinosaur tactics” of man management given out by Alex Ferguson etc are consigned to the dustbin if history or they are not. There are numerous occasions last year when the manager slated the team in front of the mentally challenged press when it would have been best left to the dressing room. Same with his OTT criticism of young Jones which should have remained private. It’s obvious SG has his favourites and Goldson it seems happens to end one, as there were several occasions he could have been benched (especially lasts six or so games last season) but he wasn’t.I recall Gerrard being very clear when Katic arrived that he was a young, developing player, and not meant to be a fixture in the first team. He did better than expected early on.
Gerrard tried to rest him by bringing in Worrall last season, and that didn’t work out too well, but Helander is a class above. Now that he’s in the team, Katic is likely to be a squad player for a while. No reflection on Katic, whose time will come.
All IMVHO, of course.
He is though, I mean that’s two seasons in a row katic has played a major part of our europa league qualifying campaign and then been dropped out of the team the minute we play in the groups.
How did worral have more experience of playing in Europe than katic? Katic played every qualifier last season and was rock solid.He's not playing because there are better players available just now.
Worrall arrived with more experience and a better pedigree so it was natural he went into the team. I didn't agree with his continued inclusion but Katic had a lot of personal stuff going on, too.
How did worral have more experience of playing in Europe than katic? Katic played every qualifier last season and was rock solid.
I think that he has given Barasic confidence to go forward that Katic never for some reason.
We have a strong left hand side just a pity Tav and goldson seem to be off the boils slightly for now.
We are winning that’s all that matters to me!
Everyone knew he was waiting for a couple of poor showings before getting Helander in. Predicted right from the start.
I can deal with it as long as we’re winning, but it’ll never fully sit right with me given the circumstances. Also if it wasn’t for Shagger Helander would be coming in for some heavy criticism today.
Spot onGoldson's distribution is nothing short of abysmal at times - he easily gifted possession to St Johnstone about 6/7 times today, under no pressure.
I'm not expecting Beckenbauer type performances, but the amount of criticism he avoids is crazy. He definitely needs a few weeks out of the team.
So now you know how Gough thinks..
I'm out
Hardly a hot take predicting that after a couple of poorer showings a player might get replaced?
What about that doesn't sit well?
Everyone knew he was waiting for a couple of poor showings before getting Helander in. Predicted right from the start.
I can deal with it as long as we’re winning, but it’ll never fully sit right with me given the circumstances. Also if it wasn’t for Shagger Helander would be coming in for some heavy criticism today.
Teams give the ball away mate. It was really poor by Connor but they were a still a long way from goal and Niko shouldn’t have stepped up. I’m not crucifying him for it as he’s one of my favourites but it was the fatal mistake and then followed in the game v Livi by his worst display since Hamilton last year.
I’ve told you why I don’t think he’ll play Helander and Niko together. They both step onto the ball.
Goldson is also the quickest of our centre halves so I think that’s another reason it is going to be him and one other.
I recall Gerrard being very clear when Katic arrived that he was a young, developing player, and not meant to be a fixture in the first team. He did better than expected early on.
Gerrard tried to rest him by bringing in Worrall last season, and that didn’t work out too well, but Helander is a class above. Now that he’s in the team, Katic is likely to be a squad player for a while. No reflection on Katic, whose time will come.
All IMVHO, of course.
Wasnt it tav that didnt track his man for the 1 on 1 with greegsy?Everyone knew he was waiting for a couple of poor showings before getting Helander in. Predicted right from the start.
I can deal with it as long as we’re winning, but it’ll never fully sit right with me given the circumstances. Also if it wasn’t for Shagger Helander would be coming in for some heavy criticism today.
The idea that Gerrard is giving Katic some kind of raw deal is complete nonsense.
I think the problem some have is that Goldson is not exactly been in great form this season
Wasnt it tav that didnt track his man for the 1 on 1 with greegsy?
Header apart I thought Helander was decent? Only his third game of the season so he will only get betterYes. After Helander’s poor defensive header. There were two errors.
Agree. Showed a real lack of body strength today being out muscled by Stevie Friggin May.
Wasnt it tav that didnt track his man for the 1 on 1 with greegsy?
What did either Goldson or Tav do wrong today?
If anything, Helander had the biggestmistake of the game when MOH almost scored.
They’ve only played two games mate and shagger really pulled their chestnuts out of the fire today because that was amateur stuff when May got the ball on to O’Halloran. Ultimately they’ve worked well and I like both players, but it doesn’t mean Katic being the one to make way wasn’t unfair. Players should be selected on merit, when a player has ropey patches and is the only one in his position to never see time on the bench as a consequence, then players aren’t always being selected on merit, and it’ll lead to guys like Katic getting fed up and angling for a move away.
We’ve already seen it one with Worral, there’s not a doubt in my mind that had he never become a regular last season we’d have faired better overall last season. We’ve got a quality international now so it’s clearly not the same thing now, but it is evidence of favouritism none the less.
You're a clown if you think Goldson is only worth £2m.
There's not a chance Goldson is our quickest defender.
Aye because someone who was MOTM vs Legia is all of a sudden bombed out in the last 2 games with no explanation whatsoever. Meanwhile Goldson could have 10 howlers a game and he'd still be first name on the team sheet.
One thing I will say, imagine Katic had came back in today and he had made that mistake Helander made to allow O’Halloran in.
You just know the people that were shouting “we kept a clean sheet so shut up” after the Feyenoord game would have raced in here to say “ahh but look at that mistake Katic made today, that was awful and shagger saved us, Helander and Goldman from now on please”. Whether they admit it or not, there’s no chance they’d take the same “it was a clean sheet so nothing to worry about” approach they adopted after Feynoord.
Anyway, they’re all good defenders so it’s the type of problem I’m happy for us to have, but there’s not a doubt in my mind Katic has gotten a raw deal and plenty are kidding themselves on by speculating that Borna suddenly got better because of Helander, yet the same people won’t look at that Livingston game and say maybe Katic had a nightmare because he was playing alongside Halliday. As someone else said, they can’t have it both ways.
Header apart I thought Helander was decent? Only his third game of the season so he will only get better
I love Katic but he's I'm danger of being seriously over rated on here.
I like players talking on the pitch like that. Van Dijk is always quoted as bringing the best out of his partners, hopefully Helander can do the same for us.Yeah he made 1 error but that was just more of a lapse than anything. Didn't seem indicative of his overall play.
That's my point though. I feel our defence has improved in the last 2 games compared to how it was against Livi & Celtic so see absolutely no reason to mourn for Katic right now.
Barisic and Goldson's performances have improved especially. Could it be due to playing alongside a more experienced centre half than Katic? After the game on Thursday Goldson did mention how much Helander was talking to him throughout the game. He has impressed me.
Massively.
I like him too but the panty wetting that goes on about him being dropped is embarrassing.
The over reaction to some bad moments for Goldson as well is the same. Katic is not exactly perfect himself.
Everyone knew he was waiting for a couple of poor showings before getting Helander in. Predicted right from the start.
I can deal with it as long as we’re winning, but it’ll never fully sit right with me given the circumstances. Also if it wasn’t for Shagger Helander would be coming in for some heavy criticism today.