I don't know.Top class again, Edweird. Why aren't Rangers collecting these clips. ? We have no chance against this loaded dice every week.
I don't know.
Like the refs responding to intimidation, I wonder if our lack of fight off the park equals a lack of fight on the park?
There is no doubt in my mind that we are the softest team in the league yet the fouls and yellow cards stats would suggest we are miles off that.
More often than not one of our players is booked for their first foul. Hard fouls against us are greeted with nothing from the players.
Look at Morelos. He has been the model of professional temperament over the past few seasons. I think he's learned that ANY show of a serious scowl is getting him in the book.
He was yellow carded for shouting at the linesman (in Spanish) against Motherwell.
Last week I watched a player from another team go nuts and tell the linesman to "fvck off" and no yellow was produced.
The board really need to get on top of this. If this comes down to a Helicopter Sunday scenario, who is going to blow the whistle against the Tims?
We should do the same , it's getting to the stage now where both team should be kicking off at the same times or get in foreign refs for our games as they don't seem to get the same calls in Europe.Nearly every week since Bankier called out refs, they’ve benefited from awful refereeing. They’ve got refs terrified.
Didn't realise that Grigo, well remembered.
Yep it seems a lot of us have been swayed by his correct decision to send off McGregor in the last old firm game of last season.
True colours well and truly on show now things are tight.
You’re joking, that mob are complicit.Sfa hve got to do something about this bias. Its making a mockery of Scottish football
You know, I like to be fair.
Going back to earlier this season ra sellic did get an early yellow card against Livi and Beaton was the man to hand it out. Jeez.
This what you can get away with if you play for the scum.
Was Walsh not one of the refs picked out by their chairman at their AGM?See decisions like the one that led to them getting their corner for the goal, in a weird way I can let things like that go as those types of decisions happen all the time in football, a corner that shouldn't have been etc.
Its the fact that in almost every one ot their games now there is at least one incident which goes in their favour that's sinister. Case in point any one of two handballs in the box by a Motherwell player and no penalty, same thing happens in the opposition box for Celtic and no hesitation to award it.
*Edit - Just seen what Martindale said re the corner award. I'm still of the opinion that these decisions to happen from time to time but how Walsh can overrule two officials is beyond me without there being something more underhanded at play
Of course it's not a penalty. Those sort are never given. Apart from today.The handball for the penalty Im sure that scenario is actually covered in breifings that its not a foul as he is supporting himself. Bit of a joke, as usual.
Absolutely shocking, and to make it worse - all caught on camera, and f all done about it!There were comparable situations in this game where Livi did not get the benefit of the doubt.
Rogic double handle ball juggle before the Livi own goal. Not given. Compare the penalty that was given. And a yellow card for the penalty.
Hand ball and free kick to Livi? NO. Corner to ra sellic. They scored from the corner.
Foul to Livi but no yellow card. It was 88m minutes before Timmy was booked.
Taylor falls to the ground expecting a foul. Grabs the ball. Stops Livi attack. Free kick to Livi for hand ball but no yellow.
Which makes Walsh's performance rather sinister!!Just listening to Martindale there.
Both the Linesman and the 4th official told the referee it was a goal kick in the lead up to Celtic's opener - referee overruled his assistants to award the corner.
You just couldn't make it up.
It’s blatant cheating in their favour every week while we have been cheated out of four points in the last two weeks alone. The club and Gio really need to have a look at themselves for not calling it out.Once again, big calls going Celtic’s way which helped them break their curse at the Tony Macaroni. Every week they’re benefiting from poor officiating, ever since it was raised at the clubs AGM. This is what we’re up against. Our board instead of calling it out are too busy being pally with them, agreeing to friendlies which will earn them huge money to pay off child abuse victims. This is a club that tried to cease our existence in 2012 because of tax bills.
I always try to flip these things and look at it from our perspective and I don't really see anything wrong with the first clip. The Rogic one is defo not "hand ball" although the ball hits his arm. Nothing he can do about it and if it goes against us I'm bemused at the call.There were comparable situations in this game where Livi did not get the benefit of the doubt.
Rogic double handle ball juggle before the Livi own goal. Not given. Compare the penalty that was given. And a yellow card for the penalty.
Hand ball and free kick to Livi? NO. Corner to ra sellic. They scored from the corner.
Foul to Livi but no yellow card. It was 88m minutes before Timmy was booked.
Taylor falls to the ground expecting a foul. Grabs the ball. Stops Livi attack. Free kick to Livi for hand ball but no yellow.
In this instance though the boys already down then tackles. It's different if your mid tackle and the ball hits your arm in a natural position. Here he kind of stumbles then sticks a leg out. It's 2 different motions. I'm screaming for a penalty if that's us.Sure there is a rule that if you are using your arm to support your body on the ground it's no handball..I think goldson did it last season and it was correctly not given.
The ball hits both of Rogic's arms. It goes from one to the other. I can't remember the last time I saw a player hit the ball with both arms and not get called.I always try to flip these things and look at it from our perspective and I don't really see anything wrong with the first clip. The Rogic one is defo not "hand ball" although the ball hits his arm. Nothing he can do about it and if it goes against us I'm bemused at the call.
The one with the Japanese, did they get a penalty for that? That's a more objective call and if that's Morelos hitting the shot I'm screaming for the penalty. My argument is then, would we get it? Which I guarantee we wouldn't. That's the sore point here. I think that's a penalty all day.
The hand ball for the corner is farcical. There's no hiding for Walsh on that call. Especially if Martindale's saying his 2 assistants went against him at the time. Theres no grey area there at all. It's blatant as f.uck.
The Taylor clip also bemuses me, and again there's nowhere for Walsh to hide on that decision. The rule is in black and white - it's a deliberate hand ball. There's no objectivity with it, dem the rules. I hate seeing a player grabbing the ball before a whistle is blown. I would be booking them all whether they got the initial foul or not. It's one of my pet hates in fitba.
Are you sure?That's 2 goals disallowed by VAR
The pen might have been given but the hand ball corner definitely not. Even Andy Walker plus all the panel said no corner.Are you sure?
I wonder who would be making the VAR decisions?
I agree with you mate but the Rogic call is objective, some you get, some you don't (they seem to always get). These types of decisions officials have a get out and it's pointless challenging.The ball hits both of Rogic's arms. It goes from one to the other. I can't remember the last time I saw a player hit the ball with both arms and not get called.
Possibly a mistake BUT, if that was us, or it had been done during a Livi winner, the Scottish media would currently be sharpening their knives for the next week of meltdown and scrutiny. And pressure.
Yes, they got a penalty. There seems to be some ambiguity in the ruling, but surely, if a player is on the ground you go with the benefit of the doubt? Not in this instance. We're supposed to believe that Walsh processed all variables and pointed to the spot? I think, like most games in the last few months, the referees' default is point first and deal with zero fall out later.
The handball call was a tough one?! It was as blatant as you will see. Nothing tough about it, unless you are David Blunkett or a 19th Century Terrorist bastard.Tbh I can see the corner call was a tough one but when he decides against the two other advices he has that seems very unusual .
The handball pre the 2nd goal is just ridiculous to miss unless I am wrong and that no longer counts as a hand ball dunno they have blurred the rules so much it’s gotten senseless
Maybe. It certainly should. But I stand by my point.The pen might have been given but the hand ball corner definitely not. Even Andy Walker plus all the panel said no corner.
Exactly mate that’s why every year they get found out in Europe really hate the scum can take losing league titles if it’s fair and squareWe should do the same , it's getting to the stage now where both team should be kicking off at the same times or get in foreign refs for our games as they don't seem to get the same calls in Europe.
In the case of offside the defender and attacker lines are there for everyone to see.Maybe. It certainly should. But I stand by my point.
If we truly believe the refereeing is either so bad, or worse cheating and corrupt, what on earth leads us to conclude VAR would be any different? Won't it be the same people administering and officiating it?
Regardless, based on the recent meeting I'd say we will be waiting a long time for VAR. I'm convinced the current sentiment is that it's nice to have but who's paying for it?
I hope I'm wrong on all counts.
Is that actually true? If it is, that’s absurd.It's not just that, their club invites officials down to their ground and they meet up with their youth sides and up and coming young players, so they already have a relationship with these youngsters when they break into the side. And that's just what we know about. They are light years ahead of us in that respect.