Karky Madoolla
Well-Known Member
Why are we the only support on the planet that come out with ‘no way, that can’t be done that’s impossible’ all the time about almost everything that’s proposed ?
i dont know as i acknowledged in my post,i said i dont know the take up of space,but we may have some free space we could utilise,, if we dont have anything available then obviously this is not something we could exploreWhereabouts are the spare offices?
There is only one thing that is impossible in life and that is to stick your arse out of a first-floor window, run down the stairs, and throw stones at it.Why are we the only support on the planet that come out with ‘no way, that can’t be done that’s impossible’ all the time about almost everything that’s proposed ?
Should be a museum and a matchday bar you would imagineSee (or hear) SR's interview on RTV today. Bar 72& hospitality revamps on the way, plus revamp/rebuild of Edmiston House, lots of ideas to increase revenue. They seem to be on the case.
I agree but it would pay back over timeWe may have got another 10k fans in tops, with new stands etc.
We would like need to move out for a year or two and go to Hampden.
Could be 100 million to do it and more.
The easier way is increase the costs of season tickets/ hospitality etc.
You can only really do that if you are winning things and ultimately increase capacity as well in the same vain.
A cantilever support anchored behind the Govan?We would need extensive groundwork and probably buy land from companies behind the govan.
The foundation of the govan wont take any more weight. To build on top would require a cantilever support anchored behind the govan. We dont have the space or the money.
I can agree but it does not make it the wrong target.Never will that happen in the next 10 years minimum
Could hold back from buying players.I agree but it would pay back over time
I know, remember SNP and a rail link to Glasgow airport.I can agree but it does not make it the wrong target.
The thing is them have 60,000 thats 10,000 more Thats 10,000 more people involved in their club which spread to families and friends and the undecided . Thats 10,000 more speaking about going to the match, Thats 10,000 more that will bring family in the future to their games. Do people not see it people have had their seats at Ibrox in certain areas for years are stuck in a routine leave early we are denying future generations of going to the match We are denying tickets to local communities to build our support within the area of Ibrox. This isn't just about vanity or even season ticket holders ,this is about the future of Rangers .We should be building our support instead of sitting on out laurels and pretending everything is alright.Everything is not alright we need to continue to build our support within Glasgow by doing what every other club in the land does.Free tickets for local communities invite them into the club instead of alienating them by not giving the local communities the chance to complain but to invite them in . We are denying the floating fan the guy or lass in the street which might want a chance to go and watch Rangers We need 10,000 more people speaking about going to see The Rangers In these testing times we need to grow Rangers because we have stagnated and were starting to regress like the rest of Scotland is doing.
It's what we should do, 70k stadiumThe only way to significantly increase capacity is to knock done the three new stands and rebuild.
Long term they will make the money backI agree with your sentiment, but the cost of expansion is huge these days. Liverpool spent £114m on their main stand to add 8,500 seats.
Without any significant expansion, the club should focus on maximising attendance at every match. Hopefully the promise of MyGers points for using Seatsub will increase its uptake. For games with less interest, such as the early rounds of the cups, free/cheap tickets for locals is a good idea. I do wonder how many people who live nearby actually support Rangers/go to games.
Long term they will make the money back
I don't think we can charge 80 a ticket
It's nothing to do with space at Anfield. This is about the foundations.A cantilever support anchored behind the Govan?
Have a look at Anfield’s new main stand and the structural reports regarding it.
More than enough room for back stays/anchors at the rear of the Govan.
We’re only restricted by our own ambitions.
I'm too young to remember the building of the 3 stands. First I've ever heard of this, hard to believe it's never been considered if that's the case, particularly in the 90's.
The thing is them have 60,000 thats 10,000 more Thats 10,000 more people involved in their club which spread to families and friends and the undecided . Thats 10,000 more speaking about going to the match, Thats 10,000 more that will bring family in the future to their games. Do people not see it people have had their seats at Ibrox in certain areas for years are stuck in a routine leave early we are denying future generations of going to the match We are denying tickets to local communities to build our support within the area of Ibrox. This isn't just about vanity or even season ticket holders ,this is about the future of Rangers .We should be building our support instead of sitting on out laurels and pretending everything is alright.Everything is not alright we need to continue to build our support within Glasgow by doing what every other club in the land does.Free tickets for local communities invite them into the club instead of alienating them by not giving the local communities the chance to complain but to invite them in . We are denying the floating fan the guy or lass in the street which might want a chance to go and watch Rangers We need 10,000 more people speaking about going to see The Rangers In these testing times we need to grow Rangers because we have stagnated and were starting to regress like the rest of Scotland is doing.
The only way to significantly increase capacity is to knock done the three new stands and rebuild.
It would by 2089Not sure that would pay for itself.
No it wouldn’t.Would be better and cheaper to just knock down the Broomloan, Copland and Govan and then make it all connected.
Back in a previous life I was at uni studying Civil Engineering. I chose the work being done to fill the corners as a project.
The club were brilliant and very open and honest.
When the stadium was rebuilt, it was found to be very difficult ground, with the water table being so high and the type of ground it is built on. The lateral load is much larger that it was previously - meaning that the foundation needed to be deeper and with greater reinforcement than anywhere else in the stadium. The decision was made (to keep costs down) that the foundation should be built to the spec for the stands that were to be built - meaning that not much more load could be added.
It means the only option if more load was to be added would be to remove that load from the structure. That would be done with a cantilever system (as was done for the club deck), which effectively suspends the load of the stand along the length of the cantilever structure. However, there would be no way to anchor this as we did with the main stand for the reasons I outlined above.
It would mean that the anchors would have to be done (probably) by using the ground behind the stadium. It would need to be at an angle that sufficiently holds the weight of the structure, meaning it could possibly be some distance back - possibly where the business behind the Govan are.
If you look at something like the Reebok Stadium or the Jeonju World Cup Stadium - they are good examples - but the one for the Govan would be set further away from the stadium to provide the stability required.
The foundations for the Copland and Broomloan are much more stable, but again it is uncertain how much more load could be carried.
It is interesting to note (although horrible to look at) that their cantilever system is built in a way which should have provided the required stability. However, the stand that runs along the wall of the cemetery suffered from exactly the same problem as the Govan. Their solution, big bloody pillars. There is a reason its a laughing stock in stadium building world. A cantilever roof that doesn't work.
We would need to demolish parts of all three stands if you’re wanting a bowl shape. The costs for these things can quickly increase.No it wouldn’t.
That would cost tens of millions of pounds.
Our current capacity is fine as it is, and even at that we have empty seats in most league games.
If expansion was to happen, it would be the removal of the screens and a two tiered bowl round the Govan, Copland and Broomloan stands. That would probably add 2/3k max onto existing capacity.
I know we do plenty but we need to do more to counter act the propaganda from the nationalists and co . We should be in the schools giving out free tickets have space for them .Every club in Britain does it ewe are limited to how many . The Rangers charity trust give a limited amount10000 more spaces for their big flags, we do plenty for the local community
What 52,000 season ticket holders that's 7,000 more than us that's 7,000 more contacts to say I have season ticket do you want to come to the match . I just don't get people with their heads in the sand . We just can't rest on our laurels this is why the cabal rules Scottish football.10000 more spaces for their big flags, we do plenty for the local community
I honestly cannot remember the foundation construction type, all I remember are my conclusions from my report based on what I was told.Pictures of the Reebok in Bolton & Jeonju in South Korea for those not familiar:
So in layman’s terms, to support another tier the foundations for the vertical columns /stair cases similar to the club deck would have to be substantial due to the crap soil conditions.
Do you remember the type of foundations on the Govan, Broomie & Copland stands? Piles? Raft? Doesn’t sound like some heavy duty underpinning of the existing foundations would be sufficient.
Also looking at the roofs on the stadia you reference, it seems to me they look a lot lighter than we have. Is there a reason our roofs look quite do beefed up?
I remember seeing an old picture of a cross section of one of the new stands (but can’t remember if it was produced by the club or British Steel), maybe if someone has it, they can re-post?
My head is in the real world, people that think we have the money to spend on a new stand are delusional.I know we do plenty but we need to do more to counter act the propaganda from the nationalists and co . We should be in the schools giving out free tickets have space for them .Every club in Britain does it ewe are limited to how many . The Rangers charity trust give a limited amount
What 52,000 season ticket holders that's 7,000 more than us that's 7,000 more contacts to say I have season ticket do you want to come to the match . I just don't get people with their heads in the sand . We just can't rest on our laurels this is why the cabal rules Scottish football.
Safe standing will have the same capacity as seats. As safe standing gets converted to seats for Europe.Easy.. Take out the seats in the front of the broomie for the young team.. Could squeeze a few in there
That’s not the reason for it.Safe standing will have the same capacity as seats. As safe standing gets converted to seats for Europe.
Actually in UK it is that exact reason. Each seat is numbered and each ticket holder is required to be where the seat is allocated in the safe standing area. In turn of eurooean night the seats will be unlocked into seating position as per UEFA rules.That’s not the reason for it.
Dortmund have terracing and get 15,000 extra for domestic games. They just put safe standing barriers up for European games with an allocated ticket.
Actually in UK it is that exact reason. Each seat is numbered and each ticket holder is required to be where the seat is allocated in the safe standing area. In turn of eurooean night the seats will be unlocked into seating position as per UEFA rules.
Your original post was it required more space and land to be bought, I don’t believe that is the case.It's nothing to do with space at Anfield. This is about the foundations.
It's called recklessness and I know all about ambition and the pitfalls that come with it. But I'm sure if you email the Directors and give them your expert knowledge on this, then they might see the lightIts called ambition but hey ho nobody in Scotland is allowed to be ambitious anymore .
If you are referring to me, I have been fortunate to have never suffered any form of depression, I think it is quite obvious that I have been driven by ambition since the day I left school.Well this just describes the attitude of Scotland and its population be ambitious you are shot down everything is impossible, we are all manic depressives and disguise it by calling it being a realist . I really fear for the future of Rangers and Scotland there is no up and go there is no ambition.
i would remove anfield from your list mateIbrox is as big or bigger than Stamford Bridge, Anfield, Parc de Princes, Allianz Stadium(Juve) and the Johan Cruyff Arena.
We don't need a capacity increase to boost revenue. Ibrox has been massively behind those stadiums in other ways, their hospitality offering have been leagues ahead of ours, they have more things to do around the stadium, they've had functioning club shops, museums and fanzones.
We're on the right track now in terms of catching up
To be fair we’re only three thousand behind Anfield and this will be their first year of a higher attendance than us in a generation.i would remove anfield from your list mate
totally agree, they did have to knock down a whole street(kemlyn rd) to accommodate the building of the centenary stand,and around half a dozen streets have been demolished behind the main stand,freeing up the land that allowed for the large footprint the new main stand sits onTo be fair we’re only three thousand behind Anfield and this will be their first year of a higher attendance than us in a generation.
God only knows we could take some hints from them in how to maximise capacity.
Until the new stand was built it always amazed me how the ground held as much given the size of the stands.
Broomloan has lots but I've not been in all the office space, I doubt many fans have been.Whereabouts are the spare offices?
It’s scandal that there’s not a train station.I got my hopes up for a rail link when the land where the old train station used to be started getting cleared but alas no.
I was in the Broomloan offices a few months ago and they are all occupied, A lot of the Community stuff is based in there.Broomloan has lots but I've not been in all the office space, I doubt many fans have been.