MacKay or Keane?

[savus]

Just a random question, probably right out of the blue I suppose meant for FFers of my vintage.

Who was the best footballer/ captain / hard man —-
Dave MacKay or Roy Keane?

 

[bud_light]

MacKay

 

[millar brand]

Dave Mackay. No contest.

 

[Anoldranger]

I doubt many on here know much about Dave McKay. Both excellent players for sure but I don’t know the answer to your question. Ability wise I doubt there was much between them,different eras so difficult to say.

 

[willowbankbear]

Mackay , Keane may have been the hardest of this generation , there were several in the 70s much harder , souness case Harris Bremner Giles .

 

[Thor]

Roy Keane is a kid on.

 

[dh1963]

Keane would have shit himself if he had gone up against the hard men of the 60s and 70s.

 

[muz73]

Dave MacKay all day, every day.

Right up there with the Greatest Ranger.

 

[barcelonabear]

Dunno how hard Keane actually is, I didn’t like him at the time but I wish players like him, Barry Ferguson were still around today, proper captains

 

[Bulletproof]

I've never heard of Mackay so for only that reason I'm going to say Keane. I would like to see Keane locked in a room with an angry Dunc Ferguson though.

 

[Nerlinger]

Duncan Ferguson would eat and shite both.

 

[NYC Davie]

Dave MacKay by a mile. For my fellow auld beats, can you imagine Keane grabbing Billy Bremner by the shirt with that growl on his face?

 

[TCWNS1872]

Surely this isn’t even a question.

Dave Mackay.

 

[TCWNS1872]

Dunno how hard Keane actually is, I didn’t like him at the time but I wish players like him, Barry Ferguson were still around today, proper captains

Wee Barry shat it from Keane at Ibrox.

 

[cornholio]

I actually don't think it's a fair comparison

I think Cantona was 'harder' than Keane, as was/is dunc

different eras, different positions

 

[savus]

I've never heard of Mackay so for only that reason I'm going to say Keane. I would like to see Keane locked in a room with an angry Dunc Ferguson though.

Just to give you a parameter to judge MacKay .
I’d like to see Duncan Ferguson locked in a room with an angry Dave Macksy

He was that impressive. And he was an excellent midfielder.

 

[OohAhHuistra]

From what my Grandad and Dad have told me about MacKay I'll say him also because I believe Keane to be a bully

 

[Gauche.]

Never seen Dave Mackay play, before my time.
However, read lots of interviews from players, team mates and fans from that era.
They all state similar, the tough guy reputation is a dis-service, yes he could be hard, but first and foremost he was a fantastic footballer with a lot of skill.
I think the famous photo of Mackay and Bremner has painted a certain image.

 

[cooperman]

Two different eras as some have said, but mackay’s era was much tougher,and hard bassas were commonplace back then, a better question of a tough guy match up would be Keane vs big Dunc, I’d pay good money to see those two have a scrap

 

[Gary]

The same Roy Keane that came to Scotland and got bullied off Clyde players?

 

[BlueKeld]

From what my Grandad and Dad have told me about MacKay I'll say him also because I believe Keane to be a bully

I've never rated Keane as a hardman, he was though a sneaky, dirty basturt.

 

[Thedesolateone]

Keane was/is a fud, I push guys like him oot the way to get to a fight.

 

[WDYGH]

McKay but Souness is the greatest of the lot. A cultured footballer and a hard cuńt to boot.

 

[Slim Jim]

MacKay.

 

[TCWNS1872]

 

[MearnsUnionist]

Just a random question, probably right out of the blue I suppose meant for FFers of my vintage.

Who was the best footballer/ captain / hard man —-
Dave MacKay or Roy Keane?

Going by reputation, (as I never saw him play) I'd say Dave MacKay would chew him up and spit him out.

Hard as they come, apparently.

 

[Robertjohn]

No contest Dave MacKay, he was as hard as nails and more to the point a gentleman. Keane is/was an ignoramus who could kick people.

 

[savus]

Never seen Dave Mackay play, before my time.
However, read lots of interviews from players, team mates and fans from that era.
They all state similar, the tough guy reputation is a dis-service, yes he could be hard, but first and foremost he was a fantastic footballer with a lot of skill.
I think the famous photo of Mackay and Bremner has painted a certain image.

I saw an interview with him years ago were that Bremner photo was used as a lead in.

MacKay tore a strip off the interviewer.
After citing his achievements in the game the interviewer was left squirming in his chair barely able to string two words together.

 

[TCWNS1872]

When Jimmy Greaves calls you ‘the most complete professional footballer I have ever known’, I reckon that says it all.

 

[savus]

Two of my favourite Leeds players Bremner and Giles in the background. Both had reputations as hard men in their own way.

But both recognizing MacKay was taking this to another level.

 

[TCWNS1872]

Two of my favourite Leeds players Bremner and Giles in the background. Both had reputations as hard men in their own way.

But both recognizing MacKay was taking this to another level.

Made a balls of the upload mate. Tried to get the non cropped one to load with El Tel just to the left of Mackay’s shoulder.

 

[Huckleberry]

Not even close
Dave Mackay the real deal.

 

[Davie Weir]

Don’t think Keane was ever that hard, better player than he often gets credit for though

 

[buster60]

Love how some on here who never saw MacKay play can have an opinion as to who was the best or the hardest!

 

[TCWNS1872]

Two of my favourite Leeds players Bremner and Giles in the background. Both had reputations as hard men in their own way.

But both recognizing MacKay was taking this to another level.

Before my time, but wee Billy being from the Raploch could handle himself. Mackay’s face just prompts ‘aye, awright big man’.

 

[TCWNS1872]

Love how some on here who never saw MacKay play can have an opinion as to who was the best or the hardest!

Fair comment up to a point mate. There are still highlight reels to judge from though and relatives recollections too. No?

 

[daven37]

I've never seen MacKay in the flesh but I have always been of the opinion the older the generation the harder the player.

 

[hods967]

I wouldn't class keane as hard more of a dirty player who looked for revenge on players who either took the piss or left 1 on him. Like most have said not in some of the hardmens shoes that have been mentioned

 

[Scoot]

MacKay. The extremely limited (but very hard) Vinnie Jones dominated Keane when Wimbledon played Manchester UTD back in the mid 90s. Keane was an excellent player but MacKay was much harder.

 

[immortal7]

Keane did box as a youth, and won his 4 fights, so to say he wasn’t hard seems a touch fanciful.

 

[buster60]

Fair comment up to a point mate. There are still highlight reels to judge from though and relatives recollections too. No?

Just out of interest, are there many highlight reels of MacKay playing still about? Would be interested in seeing both him and the "Ghost of White Hart Lane" when at their best. Hard to believe but it's more than 50 years since these guys played.

 

[Scoot]

I wouldn't class keane as hard more of a dirty player who looked for revenge on players who either took the piss or left 1 on him. Like most have said not in some of the hardmens shoes that have been mentioned

Exactly. Keane was more about revenge and retribution.

 

[gersfan52]

MacKay would have chewed him up and spat him out.

 

[Talktalk]

Just a random question, probably right out of the blue I suppose meant for FFers of my vintage.

Who was the best footballer/ captain / hard man —-
Dave MacKay or Roy Keane?

One is a plastic hard man and the other was hard as feck

 

[prenzlauerbear]

Wee Barry shat it from Keane at Ibrox.

When?

 

[HillsBill]

Neither! It's Ian McMillan, the Wee Prime Minister, otherwise a true gent on (and off) the park. Mackay, left half, had been kicking McMillan, inside right, all over Ibrox in a European match in 1963. Fed up, McMillan hooked his leg round him, pushed him from the back and Mackay landed face down on the hallowed Ibrox turf! Brought the cheer of the night!

 

[TCWNS1872]

When?

In Keane’s only appearance in the green ‘n’ grey at our place.

 

[TCWNS1872]

Just out of interest, are there many highlight reels of MacKay playing still about? Would be interested in seeing both him and the "Ghost of White Hart Lane" when at their best. Hard to believe but it's more than 50 years since these guys played.

I’ve seen clips of Mackay during his Spurs heyday when watching highlights not limited to or composed of him as a player per se.

Maybe some fans have done that since 2015 though?

In any case, my old man and my Grandad said he was immense and I trust their judgement.

 

[True Bear 54]

I actually don't think it's a fair comparison

I think Cantona was 'harder' than Keane, as was/is dunc

different eras, different positions

I mind watching Strachen and McAllister both saying Cantona was nuts and everybody at Leeds were terrified of him

 

[True Bear 54]

There wasn't just a group of hard men in the 60s and 70s , they were all hard to play in those decades , tackling from the back allowed , sending offs were rare , you got put up in the air you got up and got on with it , trying to get your revenge later on , no nonsense centre half, pitches with no grass , no over fussy refs . but there was some good football played