Not even in same ball park as Malky MaCkay incident from a few years ago.
Looks older than 24. I don't think he does tbh. But there will always be some scepticism about African players age because so many African players have changed age. To be fair I have read that because records are barely kept in some parts of Africa that many don't actually know their real age.
There have been a few threads about him and it was said on the one from the weekend I believe.
You clearly did not read any of the evidence presented to you.
Ok mate. I retract the some individuals claim. You're correct it is more widespread than that.
You're both arguing at cross purposes. You're talking about a separate problem, but as the other lad said Mo was probably not highlighting the issue, he was trying to be funny and failed spectacularly.
Ross did not say it was true of all. He stated that the individual who was playing reminded him of the African players who HAVE changed their age. He did not say the player reminded him of ALL African players because he looks older than he is and ALL African players lie about their age.
Having a laugh at someone's race is racist mate. It's also stupid, so I'd say we're both correct.
Yeah no. He was not having a laugh at his race. He was having a laugh at something it is proven beyond any doubt that people of his race do on a regular basis.
I haven't called him a racist I said the alleged comment is racist. Being an ex Rangers player is irrelevant, I'm able to judge individual instances objectively. A joke made on the basis of race is racist. I'll leave it at that.
So...what he supposedly said was racist but he is not a racist? How does that work? You have, on at least 2 separate occasions on this thread, told us why what Ross said was racist. Not stupid or insensitive, you specifically stated, clearly and with no riders, that what he said was racist. Now you are standing by that, but at the same time trying to deny you are calling Ross a racist? Yeah, that is inconsistent with your words.
This incident did run through my mind when I read what Ross had said . Everyone , bbc Scotland news , radio Clyde , all the papers here ran numerous reports claiming the Saudis were all older than their passports said .
I just struggle with the hypocrisy of posters who have made or ignored posts mocking folk for the colour of their hair suddenly thinking that they are somehow bastians of social justice and morality.
Some amount of hypocrites on here.
Since I joined the forum in 2017 I've seen countless threads where Lennon has been mocked for being ginger. Not once in that time have I seen anyone condemn it. Not once have I seen anyone claim folk should lose their job over it.
What's the difference mocking Lennon's hair colour or mocking a player's skin colour or sexuality? The only difference I can see is the it's apparently acceptable to openly and publicly mock someone for ginger hair.
How do you think that effects the mental health of young men and women with red hair? To know that you have to accept being the butt of jokes because of an aspect of your appearance you have no control over, and if you speak up you only open yourself to further ridicule.
I'm in no way defending Lennon here, by the way. I can't stand the man, but that's down to his personality. I'm also not calling for GLM
I'm confident there are people on the forum who would post on a thread like this one like some kind of white knight and jump straight onto a Lennon thread and mock his ginger hair.
Or maybe I've got it wrong and we're all squeeky clean angels on FF.
I'd love to know how you can work out someones age from an MRI scan, and how accurate it would be. Is this something you're familiar with or are you paraphrasing the article? If you are familiar with it, and have a relevant link, please do share. (I know this isn't really on the thread topic, but it's piqued my curiousity).
www.newscientist.com
www.newscientist.com
Is he wrong? And if so, can you point out where he is wrong?
From the article. Something to do with wrist development.I'd love to know how you can work out someones age from an MRI scan, and how accurate it would be. Is this something you're familiar with or are you paraphrasing the article? If you are familiar with it, and have a relevant link, please do share. (I know this isn't really on the thread topic, but it's piqued my curiousity).
Edit: I did some digging myself. This is for X-Rays of wrists and teeth rather than MRI scans, but suggests such tests are pretty inaccurate:
Dental checks can't verify the age of child asylum seekers
The ages of migrants seeking asylum as unaccompanied children cannot be accurately determined using dental X-rays or bone scans, says Tim Cole
With no paper trail, can science determine age?
When faced with immigrants who claim to be children but have no proof, officials resort to X-ray scans – but such tests cannot be trusted
And is if an example of the hypocrisy was needed, here one is. Would you make the same reply to a post regarding race, gender or sexuality?
So being openly mocked for an uncontrolable aspect of of ones appearance is ok? Like I said, how do you think that effects the mental health?
Would you say that to a black man? If you don't like racism keep it to yourself and just hit the report button?
I looked at their squad, from what I can tell they only have one African player and he actually looks younger than he is. Which suggests he's said it about a black player who isn't actually African at all.
www.nottscountyfc.co.uk
So Kamara is a big flake of snow? Gotcha
Cheers for that. Had a quick read of the second one. It does not throw any doubt on the 35% figure from the championships. The width of the band of error dictates that a false positive is as likely as a false negative. Basically, statistically for every player wrongly given as too old, there was likely an older player likely given as under age. Given that there is a far wider number of ages over the limit, there is also a far larger proportion of ages who could register a false negative, meaning that if anything, the 35% is too low.I'd love to know how you can work out someones age from an MRI scan, and how accurate it would be. Is this something you're familiar with or are you paraphrasing the article? If you are familiar with it, and have a relevant link, please do share. (I know this isn't really on the thread topic, but it's piqued my curiousity).
Edit: I did some digging myself. This is for X-Rays of wrists and teeth rather than MRI scans, but suggests such tests are pretty inaccurate:
Dental checks can't verify the age of child asylum seekers
The ages of migrants seeking asylum as unaccompanied children cannot be accurately determined using dental X-rays or bone scans, says Tim Cole
With no paper trail, can science determine age?
When faced with immigrants who claim to be children but have no proof, officials resort to X-ray scans – but such tests cannot be trusted
I looked at their squad, from what I can tell they only have one African player and he actually looks younger than he is
Notts County FC - First team
Some amount of hypocrites on here.
Since I joined the forum in 2017 I've seen countless threads where Lennon has been mocked for being ginger. Not once in that time have I seen anyone condemn it. Not once have I seen anyone claim folk should lose their job over it.
What's the difference mocking Lennon's hair colour or mocking a player's skin colour or sexuality? The only difference I can see is the it's apparently acceptable to openly and publicly mock someone for ginger hair.
How do you think that effects the mental health of young men and women with red hair? To know that you have to accept being the butt of jokes because of an aspect of your appearance you have no control over, and if you speak up you only open yourself to further ridicule.
I'm in no way defending Lennon here, by the way. I can't stand the man, but that's down to his personality. I'm also not calling for GLM
I'm confident there are people on the forum who would post on a thread like this one like some kind of white knight and jump straight onto a Lennon thread and mock his ginger hair.
Or maybe I've got it wrong and we're all squeeky clean angels on FF.
I have a son with a shock of red hair. When he was first year at high school (in England where there arent that many red heads) he was told that his mother was either raped or a slag as neither of us has red hair. Plus all the usual ginger whinger shit that goes with it. I would definitely say that is on a par with racism and homophobia for getting inside someone's head: particularly a child. So you are guilty of unconscious bias on that front, but we are all that way about something. Nobody in life has a zero bias approach.
According to reports he made the comment about Enzio Boldewijn who is Dutch.I looked at their squad, from what I can tell they only have one African player and he actually looks younger than he is. Which suggests he's said it about a black player who isn't actually African at all.
Notts County FC - First team
In your wee world maybe
I’m laughing too much at slagging ginger hair being compared to slagging someone’s skin colour or sexuality
Please explain the difference.
They’re slightly different and more serious, I’d imagine 99% of ginger jokes are tongue in cheek and in real life usually found in the school playground but if it does upset you etc you can report the said comments I’m sure not that I know how to
Why? Can you tell us the difference?
I just find it funny and in all honesty once you grow up a bit from being in a school playground I can’t say I’ve ever came across any ginger person being discriminated against
So bullying a kid because they have ginger hair is less serious than bullying a kid because of their skin colour?
No but again it was never bullying i witnessed but if you did then that’s fair enough, I can honestly say it was never a big deal about someone’s hair colour when I was young maybe the odd comment as a joke that was all
Jesus suffering fcuk.
I would disagree with the idea that it is more likely people have developed outside of the normal rates over people have lied, particularly given the multitude of other evidence, including African leaders within football and outlets such as the wine BBC claiming it is rampant and happens all the time. You are making assumptions to fit a narrative. I am taking the presented evidence and extrapolating from it. Anyway, probably too much said on this anyway.
Was Ross' comment not tongue in cheek? He just lost his job and most on here agree that was the correct course of action.
