Scotland women’s football team in dispute with SFA over pay & conditions.

Clarence said:
Equal pay? Equal on what basis? Playing in front of friends and family?
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It depends if they use the number of women's season tickets sold as a guide, now how many MyGers points were they worth again.......
 
Orangie said:
Does anyone know what type of money woman's football generates ticket sales, sponsorship, champions league ect ?

I don't see why they cant be paid a certain percentage based upon what they earn from prize money and so on
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Yip, my thoughts exactly, give them a percentage of the money they bring in, my guess is they would be considerably worse off!!
 
DavyMcK said:
It depends if they use the number of women's season tickets sold as a guide, now how many MyGers points were they worth again.......
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That was a way to front load investment in the women's game which equally benefited those willing to part with money for MyGers points. When you look at the standard of men's football in the early 50s and 60s, it's obviously miles behind where it is now. A typical argument between any Messi and Pele fan these days will invoke the difference in the standards but that the best players then would be the best players now with similar levels of training/conditioning - the difference is clearly in the levels of investment.
 
ClockworkOrange said:
I often wonder how disinformation gets spread on the internet, and then you read people's comments to an article they haven't read - three or four in the first six or seven replies (and even on page two!) - and you think, "Oh. That's how."
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Teddy Lasso is being curious, goes back, reads article, loses 30 seconds of life he will never get back, notices the thread title sums up the article very nicely - They want more money from the commercial deals as compared to the men as they are role models for girls and young women, recognises not one female player (even the one who has 90 caps), understands they generate diddly squat commercially (Solution: the SFA should just do separate commercial deals and give them 100% of what they generate themselves), realises the first posts on the thread were spot on, remains unmoved, opinions unchanged.
 
Do the Men's team not waiver their Scotland appearance pay and donate it ?
I wonder if the Women win their case they will do the same.
 
Kubala said:
If you read the women's football in Scotland Wikipedia page, UEFA had a vote in the 70s to bring women's football under the control of associations and Scotland were the only one to vote against it. Nice to see that the same sort of caveman thinking permeates their children, or they're still able to post on FF.
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Bang On, Scotland as a country is rife with that attitude sadly
 
If this was to go down to equal pay with women's teams such as our team that I often see threads about on here, what are the thoughts then? Would it be unfair if they for example are receiving less wages than say the men's under 21 yr olds? I'm assuming they would probably have the same/similar crowds so, shouldn't they be receiving the same wages? The womens team have won a cup and a league title after all.
 
Worth noting the woman’s game was unofficially then officially banned in Scotland for the best part of 50 years. Who knows what the development of the game would be like with 50 years of support from the SFA.

I am proud Rangers are investing in our women’s team.
 
Ghost of Troubled Joe said:
Do the Men's team not waiver their Scotland appearance pay and donate it ?
I wonder if the Women win their case they will do the same.
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Funnily enough the men can afford to do that, plenty of women’s footballers have actual jobs that come first so every penny counts. Our own Nic Docherty missed vital games for Scotland a couple of years back because she couldn’t get time off work ffs.
 
Kubala said:
Are there any other restrictions you'd like to place on how the club spends money from your season tickets? Is spending it on making sure disabled fans can get access really more important than getting a winning team on the pitch? There was an amazing thread a week or so back in which the club should start prioritizing full adult season tickets over concessions. Will a Rangers museum really bring in more money than it costs when that money could be spent on the first team? Where do you draw the line when you're arguing from that level of simplicity.
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I said I wasn’t interested in women’s football nothing else doh !
 
PrivateAye72 said:
"The Scottish women's national team want the SFA to match the actions of the Football Association of Ireland, which pays the same match appearance fee to its male and female players." Before anyone decides that they are campaigning for Haalland's wages.

It's fairly open and shut for me, the women's national team should receive the same amount in "appearance fees" as the men do. For context, the men tend to donate it to charities etc as it's not a massive sum. The SFA will be forced to do it if it ends up in court so they may as well get ahead of it and do it now.
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What is the fee for the men? If it’s a low amount like a couple of grand then give them it
 
luckywhitefeather said:
This will eventually have serious repurcussions on all clubs that have a women’s side ,

Many won’t like to face it, but we are opening ourselves up to claims further down the line as long as rangers have a women’s team.

www.bbc.co.uk

Scotland women's team make legal challenge to SFA

Scotland captain Rachel Corsie will lead a legal challenge against the Scottish Football Association over equal pay and conditions.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Can you expand on that?

From a club perspective, there's zero case to answer.
 
MiseryHatesCompany said:
aye, but if you want the women's game to get better you need to invest in it.

All the best men are playing football, the women could well be in an office cos it isn't financially viable to pursue a career in the game.
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It's a catch 22 though, isn't it?

No cu*ts interested, so nobody will pump money in, so no cu*ts interested.
 
captcaveman said:
If this was to go down to equal pay with women's teams such as our team that I often see threads about on here, what are the thoughts then? Would it be unfair if they for example are receiving less wages than say the men's under 21 yr olds? I'm assuming they would probably have the same/similar crowds so, shouldn't they be receiving the same wages? The womens team have won a cup and a league title after all.
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They are currently riding the men’s teams coattails. If they start that nonsense at club level, they’ll be dropped like a stone. Football clubs have no obligations to carry them.
 
RaoulDuke11 said:
They are currently riding the men’s teams coattails.rspective, there's zero case to answer.
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It’s probably true. Lawyers who specialise in employment law could make a case. Equal pay is a huge thing today, regardless of merit.
 
If the men get 10% of the money raised by the fixture they play in, either from sponsorship, gate receipts or whatever, the women should get the same percentage of the money that is generated from their fixtures. If the fixture does not generate profit, the players should not get any money. I wonder if they would like that!
 
captcaveman said:
If this was to go down to equal pay with women's teams such as our team that I often see threads about on here, what are the thoughts then? Would it be unfair if they for example are receiving less wages than say the men's under 21 yr olds? I'm assuming they would probably have the same/similar crowds so, shouldn't they be receiving the same wages? The womens team have won a cup and a league title after all.
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The men's under 21s have a much, much higher potential sell-on value though. If a kid looks like being a really great player when he's, say, 23, then he can be sold on for millions. So it makes sense to pay him a wage that will make him stay with us until he fulfils that potential.
What possible value could we get from paying a woman the same wage as, say, Nathan Patterson was getting before he was sold?
 
RaoulDuke11 said:
It's a catch 22 though, isn't it?

No cu*ts interested, so nobody will pump money in, so no cu*ts interested.
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It wouldn't matter how much money you pump into it, it has a ceiling commercially and financially, it has far less to do with gender and far more to do with $$ than people think.

The WNBA is a great example (the Bill Burr bit) of investment achieving very little, money goes where the eyes are watching.

I appreciate the women's dedication to the sport and respect it for what it is, but literally no-one is interested in it to any degree and no amount of investment will change that. I mentioned earlier if they are so confident in their worth and value they should have there own commercial deals and then can generate as much or as little as they want.
 
“Fuck the SFA” chant the Rangers support but if women could get a few quid, decent facilities when representing their country and pave the way for the young girls to play football in a country that has an obesity pandemic then don’t fuck the SFA.

I love this board.
 
Mrs_Prso said:
“Fuck the SFA” chant the Rangers support but if women could get a few quid, decent facilities when representing their country and pave the way for the young girls to play football in a country that has an obesity pandemic then don’t fuck the SFA.

I love this board.
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Have you read the SFAs statement?
 
PrivateAye72 said:
"The Scottish women's national team want the SFA to match the actions of the Football Association of Ireland, which pays the same match appearance fee to its male and female players." Before anyone decides that they are campaigning for Haalland's wages.

It's fairly open and shut for me, the women's national team should receive the same amount in "appearance fees" as the men do. For context, the men tend to donate it to charities etc as it's not a massive sum. The SFA will be forced to do it if it ends up in court so they may as well get ahead of it and do it now.
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Don't bother with all that research and facts nonsense. Read the headline, get angry, post angry garbage. That's what we do here.
 
Mrs_Prso said:
“Fuck the SFA” chant the Rangers support but if women could get a few quid, decent facilities when representing their country and pave the way for the young girls to play football in a country that has an obesity pandemic then don’t fuck the SFA.

I love this board.
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Do you think they deserve the same money as men?
 
I thought the men's team didn't get paid unless they qualify for a Euros/World Cup?

Equal pay of £0 seems fair for representing your country. Maybe the argument is about the payment made for qualifying.

I'd say the women should have all the same arrangements like hotels etc. when they meet up as a squad.
 
Lovenkrands26 said:
Funnily enough the men can afford to do that, plenty of women’s footballers have actual jobs that come first so every penny counts. Our own Nic Docherty missed vital games for Scotland a couple of years back because she couldn’t get time off work ffs.
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Exactly, any players playing outwith a professional team will have a full time job. Therefore if they represent their country, which Im sure they are honoured to do, then giving them decent expenses isn’t too much to ask for.
 
luckywhitefeather said:
There is a legitimate question of can rangers afford to invest that type of money in a women’s side when we are trying to compete with the financial advantage the tims have / pay in wages to their senior men’s team
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I said right at the start of the women’s team I had no problem with it as long as my season ticket money wasn’t subsiding it. Was hammered for it at the time. But if its now costing 2 mill a year then there’s no way that’s self sufficient
 
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luckywhitefeather said:
This will eventually have serious repurcussions on all clubs that have a women’s side ,

Many won’t like to face it, but we are opening ourselves up to claims further down the line as long as rangers have a women’s team.

www.bbc.co.uk

Scotland women's team make legal challenge to SFA

Scotland captain Rachel Corsie will lead a legal challenge against the Scottish Football Association over equal pay and conditions.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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It won’t affect clubs. Players at clubs are all on different personal contracts. I’d imagine Devine is on different money from Morelos. National teams are different. There’s a fee which is the same for everyone. I’ve no idea what SWNT are paid or should be paid but in any other job if you are all paid for the same job by the same employer then it should be the same.
 
If pay is going to be linked to revenue/profit as many are advocating, do all our men’s players get a cut/nothing when we make a loss most years?

Maybe not a bad idea…
 
I don't have a problem with them asking the sfa for the same money as the men. Ultimately the men receive a fee for a call up which is ubiquitous (and nominal for the majority) so the women have a right to ask for parity.

Thinking it will lead to parity in club football is nonsense though, as parity doesn't exist with the men's game either. Do the men's team all earn the same? No. Do rangers pay the same wages as man city? No. It's impossible to implement unless an MLS type wage structure is imposed, at which point the baws burst.
 
captcaveman said:
If this was to go down to equal pay with women's teams such as our team that I often see threads about on here, what are the thoughts then? Would it be unfair if they for example are receiving less wages than say the men's under 21 yr olds? I'm assuming they would probably have the same/similar crowds so, shouldn't they be receiving the same wages? The womens team have won a cup and a league title after all.
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Doesn't really make sense when our men's squad are paid anywhere from low four figures to mid five figures.
 
Jorg Albertz said:
It wouldn't kill anything. All clubs would just do away with female football teams
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And how many of these teams would survive on their own? Let's be honest, would anyone care if the Rangers Women's team had no affiliation to us?

It's happened in the past - the US and some European leagues collapsed mid season due to lack of interest (the US one happened during a World Cup, leaving the players looking for a European team to sign for mid-tournament)
 
Womens football is rotten. Let's be brutally honest here. Even females that go watch the first team won't watch the Women's. They aren't interested. I know that it's probably politically incorrect. I await the day for the first all male Netball team with all male commentators.
 
gu_bear said:
Even easier option would be to scrap all appearance fees and donate the lot to charity.

You are representing your country, you should want to do it. If you don’t, don’t make yourself available for selection. Simple as that.
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Pretty sure all the England appearance money goes to charity
 
I would absolutely love to see women's football progress and flourish

However this utterly entitled bullshit makes me want to see it all crash and burn
 
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