Since 2012, Penn State has paid more than $109 million to more than 30 men.

bilkobear

Well-Known Member
Compare and contrast.

Since 2012, Penn State has paid more than $109 million to more than 30 men who have come forward claiming to be victims.


The abuser is serving a 30 to 60 year sentence after being convicted in 2012.


Penn State's total abuse -related costs have exceeded $250 million.
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Please note.... this makes difficult reading.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/early-lead/wp/2018/01/09/penn-state-settles-lawsuit-with-man-claiming-molestation-by-jerry-sandusky/


We see above the massive contrast between 2 countries. Look at the jail term for one preparator in America. In Scotland there were 5 of them. A sordid and deadly ring.

It's now apparent to the entire population that the Scottish Government is complicit in this cover up - and we aren't allowed to talk about it in this Snatzi republic.

Good grief. Think about it. A culture of reverence for a bloody football club has resulted in an entire country willfully ignoring the biggest abuse scandal cover-up imaginable.

The world should be shown how evil Scotland has become.

Justice for the poor victims isn't important in this backwater. Not when the stakes are so high. A football clubs reputation and it's wealth means everything though.

Young children? They don't matter - lives ruined or prematurely ended is of no consequence - but the protection of the club? That's what really matters.

It's putrid and stomach churning what these beasts done.

Reminds us of a place in Rome?
I don't know how this will turn out.
Who really knows.
It is indeed an unknown unknown.

However, we live in a litigious world and very few such matters garner the sympathy of society as do the child victims of sexual predators...and quite rightly so.
To steal the innocence of the young by abusing a position of trust is truly the actions of the most debased who walk amongst us, the destruction that they wreak can often last a lifetime for the victims and of course their families.
To then knowingly cover up for those beasts to protect them from the law and to leave the children unprotected and vulnerable to even further abuse. is a sin that the very worst terms of our huge social vocabulary must still fail the test of proper illustrative condemnation.

Financial remuneration will simply never repair the damage, nonetheless, it is surely a small part of the atonement and healing process, for so much injury to life and opportunities that must have been destroyed and stymied, by the wrecking actions of the guilty.

The guilty however, are not just those who perpetrated the crimes, they must surely involve the organisation that incubated the criminals and turned a blind eye to their multiple actions and by haughty indulgence, allowed the foulness to fester for decades.

Scotland as a nation should be in the international eye in this matter and Scotland's politicians and judiciary must be judged in how they respond to the pleas of those that suffered such calamitous wrongdoing.

This isn't a matter of whether or not Dermot Desmond can dig deep enough, this is indeed a case of whether Scotland as a nation has enough depth of moral feeling for real social justice unsullied by shallow political and tribal selfishness.
 
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Super A

Well-Known Member
Is it legal to cover up a crime with a gagging document?
It is now
Wasn’t back in the day however new legislation will allow those who may have signed a nda to break it ‘without prejudice’ if it uncovers criminality
 

Grigo Yossarian

Well-Known Member
I don't know how this will turn out.
Who really knows.
It is indeed an unknown unknown.

However, we live in a litigious world and very few such matters garner the sympathy of society as do the child victims of sexual predators...and quite rightly so.
To steal the innocence of the young by abusing a position of trust is truly the actions of the most debased who walk amongst us, the destruction that they wreak can often last a lifetime for the victims and of course their families.
To then knowingly cover up for those beasts to protect them from the law and to leave the children unprotected and vulnerable to even further abuse. is a sin that the very worst terms of our huge social vocabulary must still fail the test of proper illustrative condemnation.

Financial remuneration will simply never repair the damage, nonetheless, it is surely a small part of the atonement and healing process, for so much injury to life and opportunities that must have been destroyed and stymied, by the wrecking actions of the guilty.

The guilty however, are not just those who perpetrated the crimes, they must surely involve the organisation that incubated the criminals and turned a blind eye to their multiple actions and by haughty indulgence, allowed the foulness to fester for decades.

Scotland as a nation should be in the international eye in this matter and Scotland's politicians and judiciary must be judged in how they respond to the pleas of those that suffered such calamitous wrongdoing.

This isn't a matter of whether or not Dermot Desmond can dig deep enough, this is indeed a case of whether Scotland as a nation has any depth of feeling for real social justice unsullied by shallow political and tribal selfishness.
Fantastic post Bilko. The problem we have is that this country is so intrinsically warped that I fear we need outside intervention to properly procure justice.
 

Grigo Yossarian

Well-Known Member
I don't know how this will turn out.
Who really knows.
It is indeed an unknown unknown.

However, we live in a litigious world and very few such matters garner the sympathy of society as do the child victims of sexual predators...and quite rightly so.
To steal the innocence of the young by abusing a position of trust is truly the actions of the most debased who walk amongst us, the destruction that they wreak can often last a lifetime for the victims and of course their families.
To then knowingly cover up for those beasts to protect them from the law and to leave the children unprotected and vulnerable to even further abuse. is a sin that the very worst terms of our huge social vocabulary must still fail the test of proper illustrative condemnation.

Financial remuneration will simply never repair the damage, nonetheless, it is surely a small part of the atonement and healing process, for so much injury to life and opportunities that must have been destroyed and stymied, by the wrecking actions of the guilty.

The guilty however, are not just those who perpetrated the crimes, they must surely involve the organisation that incubated the criminals and turned a blind eye to their multiple actions and by haughty indulgence, allowed the foulness to fester for decades.

Scotland as a nation should be in the international eye in this matter and Scotland's politicians and judiciary must be judged in how they respond to the pleas of those that suffered such calamitous wrongdoing.

This isn't a matter of whether or not Dermot Desmond can dig deep enough, this is indeed a case of whether Scotland as a nation has any depth of feeling for real social justice unsullied by shallow political and tribal selfishness.
Fantastic post Bilko. The problem we have is that this country is so intrinsically warped that I fear we need outside intervention to properly procure justice.
 

MTP

Well-Known Member
Been thinking about this recently - is there anything about them being a new company in the 1990’s (Pacific shelf) that will give them some Teflon coating?

(And is that part of what the mean by separate entity)
 

The Blue Iceberg

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To my knowledge the UK almost never has payouts of £Millions to victims, we are in the category of £Thousands.

However I still think that there could be a case for very large settlements of maybe 6 figures to what must be hundreds of the parkhead abused.

It needs to be life changing money, imho anything less than £250K each would be an absolute disgrace, lives were ruined, some guys have already committed suicide, it's that serious.

Looking ominous for Septic, there might be a total pay out of as much as £100M by my very rough back of a fag packet estimations.

Does anyone else have any idea if there has been any sort of precedents we can compare with here in the UK?
 
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Disco Deejay

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Anyone know what this might refer to? Contempt of Court Orders.

JH v Celtic PLC (under section 11 of the Contempt of Court Act 1981), All-Scotland Sheriff Personal Injury Court, Edinburgh, 15 October 2018.

Surely this isn't Matt 'celtc are a culture of people' McGlones 'lottery loss compensation claim'. What does Section 11 of the Contempt of Court Act 1981 cover I wonder?

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/current-business/court-notices/contempt-of-court-orders

Just curious - probably nothing but it is reminiscent of this one from a few months ago:

  1. Contempt of Court Orders
    https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/current-business/court-notices/contempt-of-court-orders
    HMA v James Torbett, High Court, Glasgow, 4 July 2018 KM v Glasgow City Council (under section 11
Sec. 11 covers disclosure of information that the court has prohibited publication of. It could be as simple as a witnesses name, but it is strongly believed that they regularly apply for interdicts preventing publication or disclosure of any details that show them in bad light, until any trial has concluded and it is a matter of public record.
 

Weegie

Well-Known Member
If anyone has not seen the movie “Paterno” with Robert de Niro you should watch it. The similarities to the cases at CFBC are strikingly obvious. All it need is a good investigative journalist to keep digging and knocking down doors for an independent enquiry to be launched.
 

Arminius

Well-Known Member
Official Ticketer
I genuinely dont think the money side will be a massive issue. We’ve already seen what British courts are like with the sentences compared to the US.

I’d honestly settle for this rancid club’s entire cover up being disclosed now in a full public inquiry and then. Just throw them out of football entirely.
 

davydumper

Well-Known Member
If they are sued in the States then you can be assured that the compensation payouts will be high, unless they have people in high places over there as well.
 

Disco Deejay

Well-Known Member
@George Goudie - Interesting to note from an article in The Sun that Johnny Doyle appeared to have a strong dislike of Cairney. He encouraged and went along with another young lad, who gave evidence in the trial, to report him. Is it possible that Doyle was also abused by him?

The official line was that Doyle electrocuted himself in his loft by accident, but there were plenty of rumours at the time that it was suicide.

I'm not in a position to know anything from the time and I'm just thinking aloud, but if his dislike of Cairney had anything to do with abuse or attempted abuse and the suicide rumours were true, it could open a whole new can of worms.
 

Gary Mitchell

Well-Known Member
Justice for the victims first and foremost but I honestly hope this disease ridden cancer of a club is bankrupted life ruining bastards, in any other country in the world when they lied about the separate entity they would have been crucified but here this government have helped muddy the waters in celtic's favour sinister as %^*&.
 

Bluethruandthru

Well-Known Member
No one is above the law INCLUDING them. That's the line that needs pushed pushed pushed..... Leave the financial issues to the compensation layers, its the victims money after all. No one is above the law of the land. Religion,race, politics cannot be allowed to interfere no matter how long it takes NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.
 

Doctor Robert

Well-Known Member
Compare and contrast.

Since 2012, Penn State has paid more than $109 million to more than 30 men who have come forward claiming to be victims.


The abuser is serving a 30 to 60 year sentence after being convicted in 2012.


Penn State's total abuse -related costs have exceeded $250 million.
___________________


Please note.... this makes difficult reading.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/early-lead/wp/2018/01/09/penn-state-settles-lawsuit-with-man-claiming-molestation-by-jerry-sandusky/


We see above the massive contrast between 2 countries. Look at the jail term for one preparator in America. In Scotland there were 5 of them. A sordid and deadly ring.

It's now apparent to the entire population that the Scottish Government is complicit in this cover up - and we aren't allowed to talk about it in this Snatzi republic.

Good grief. Think about it. A culture of reverence for a bloody football club has resulted in an entire country willfully ignoring the biggest abuse scandal cover-up imaginable.

The world should be shown how evil Scotland has become.

Justice for the poor victims isn't important in this backwater. Not when the stakes are so high. A football clubs reputation and it's wealth means everything though.

Young children? They don't matter - lives ruined or prematurely ended is of no consequence - but the protection of the club? That's what really matters.

It's putrid and stomach churning what these beasts done.

Reminds us of a place in Rome?
I agree, completely. It’s disgusting
 

Aspley1 Ger

Well-Known Member
"I also spoke to Pat's lawyer about the procedure and what we would do.

"I asked him what would happen if the boy made a formal complaint. And what he told me was the real shocker of the whole thing.

"He said that Frank Cairney would be charged and that the boy, and the other boy who was staying in the house, would be put in protective custody."

Distraught Jim and the officials were terrified to bring in police in case the boys were taken away from them.

He said: “I was absolutely shattered about that. There was no way I could have landed at Glasgow Airport and told two sets of parents that their boys weren't there.

"After that meeting I immediately contacted Celtic, but it was the Glasgow Fair and I had a terrible job trying to get a hold of people.

(why would you contact Celtic if they were nothing to do with CBC)


"We left Kennedy airport, New York, on Sunday, but still there was no word. We stopped over at Boston and this is where it all happened.

"There was a message at Boston for me to phone home.

"I was told the meeting had concluded and the outcome was that the boy's parents were quite happy to leave the matter in Celtic's hands, provided Frank Cairney resigned from the boys' club on returning.

"Myself, Willie Hampson, Bill Gilfillan and John Gallacher, the four officials, met in the cafe at Boston airport and we told Frank Cairney what we had been advised.

"He agreed to resign when he went home. We arrived at Glasgow and went straight to the park.

"Jack McGinn organised a meeting at 11am with Frank Cairney and a meeting with me at 2pm.

"At that meeting, he gave me a copy of Frank Cairney's resignation which said he had resigned because he had got promotion in his company and the pressure of work.

But still they argue separate entities.
 

JCDarcheville

Well-Known Member
"I also spoke to Pat's lawyer about the procedure and what we would do.

"I asked him what would happen if the boy made a formal complaint. And what he told me was the real shocker of the whole thing.

"He said that Frank Cairney would be charged and that the boy, and the other boy who was staying in the house, would be put in protective custody."

Distraught Jim and the officials were terrified to bring in police in case the boys were taken away from them.

He said: “I was absolutely shattered about that. There was no way I could have landed at Glasgow Airport and told two sets of parents that their boys weren't there.

"After that meeting I immediately contacted Celtic, but it was the Glasgow Fair and I had a terrible job trying to get a hold of people.

(why would you contact Celtic if they were nothing to do with CBC)


"We left Kennedy airport, New York, on Sunday, but still there was no word. We stopped over at Boston and this is where it all happened.

"There was a message at Boston for me to phone home.

"I was told the meeting had concluded and the outcome was that the boy's parents were quite happy to leave the matter in Celtic's hands, provided Frank Cairney resigned from the boys' club on returning.

"Myself, Willie Hampson, Bill Gilfillan and John Gallacher, the four officials, met in the cafe at Boston airport and we told Frank Cairney what we had been advised.

"He agreed to resign when he went home. We arrived at Glasgow and went straight to the park.

"Jack McGinn organised a meeting at 11am with Frank Cairney and a meeting with me at 2pm.

"At that meeting, he gave me a copy of Frank Cairney's resignation which said he had resigned because he had got promotion in his company and the pressure of work.

But still they argue separate entities.
This is horrific reading, and it is no doubt only one instance of the same.
 

Rev George Walker

Well-Known Member
Compare and contrast.

Since 2012, Penn State has paid more than $109 million to more than 30 men who have come forward claiming to be victims.


The abuser is serving a 30 to 60 year sentence after being convicted in 2012.


Penn State's total abuse -related costs have exceeded $250 million.
___________________


Please note.... this makes difficult reading.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/early-lead/wp/2018/01/09/penn-state-settles-lawsuit-with-man-claiming-molestation-by-jerry-sandusky/


We see above the massive contrast between 2 countries. Look at the jail term for one preparator in America. In Scotland there were 5 of them. A sordid and deadly ring.

It's now apparent to the entire population that the Scottish Government is complicit in this cover up - and we aren't allowed to talk about it in this Snatzi republic.

Good grief. Think about it. A culture of reverence for a bloody football club has resulted in an entire country willfully ignoring the biggest abuse scandal cover-up imaginable.

The world should be shown how evil Scotland has become.

Justice for the poor victims isn't important in this backwater. Not when the stakes are so high. A football clubs reputation and it's wealth means everything though.

Young children? They don't matter - lives ruined or prematurely ended is of no consequence - but the protection of the club? That's what really matters.

It's putrid and stomach churning what these beasts done.

Reminds us of a place in Rome?
The SNP needs the RC block vote to stand any chance (i) of election in UK/Scottish parliament elections and (ii) achieving a majority in an independence vote.

That means the key RC institutions are untouchable from the SNP, being the RC church, RC schools and Celtic FC.

That's why "parameters" aka restrictions were put on the national child abuse enquiry, being "only bodies/institutions with overnight lodgings" could be investigated. Only an evil person would seek to limit an enquiry in to such things, but the SNP knows, like everyone else, that if every facet of every institution in Scotland was open to investigation, the RC church and Celtic FC would quickly become the centre and focus of the investigation, given the extent of the abuse that has taken place in both.

The SNP fear that the RCs would regard this as some sort of witch-hunt resulting in the loss of the newly won RC support (which for 100 years voted Labour) , but of course the SNP cant just say that "the investigation wont look into the RC church or Celtic FC" so they have placed these ostensibly bizarre restrictions on the investigation.

But everyone knows the real reason for the restrictions.
 

BlueHaze

Well-Known Member
The fhilth and their lickspitals in the Scottish government and msm have played a blinder in this,Smothered,protected and deflected I think it is very unlikely the fhilth will ever be punished properly for their crimes,The very fact they have managed to keep a lid on it after the public outcry of child sexual abuse cases here and in the states show the depth of protection they get.
 
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