St mirren/Kilmarnock appeal

[sammy1872]

Am I correct in saying these were being held today . Interesting to see what comes of them

 

[Beckhambear2]

Some made up rule for this scenario that will change in the future knowing our governing bodies

 

[onedadoprso.1]

There will be no change to the original decision unless Pete has strategised how it will benefit his club.

 

[abitoverdressed]

There will be no change to the original decision unless Pete has strategised how it will benefit his club.

Pretty sure there will be, otherwise Celtic are bang to rights for Dubai

 

[cooprfc]

The obvious punishment, in light of recent events, will be that a covid breach carries a reward of 3 points per breach.

It is somewhat unfortunate that a precedent hasn't been set already before the mhanks get investigated.

 

[Alex Venters]

No further action,would be my guess.

It's not right to punish clubs during a pandemic, or some excuse of that nature.

 

[Virgil Hilts]

Hopefully the lawyers say 2 words:

Shane Duffy?

 

[NSTPAB]

Am I correct in saying these were being held today . Interesting to see what comes of them

Pretty sure I read somewhere that the review would start at 18:00 today

 

[dt17]

No chance of the 3-0 forfeits standing up to scrutiny - because that would mean Celtic would be fucked for their conduct in Dubai.

 

[Shengus Malengus]

There will be no change to the original decision unless Pete has strategised how it will benefit his club

Dock points from Killie and St Mirren and you have to dock the filth.

It ain't happening. Celtc have saved the day for them.

 

[Spudgun]

They’ll be let off with something less severe than the original punishment thanks to Covid FC’s Dubai debacle.

 

[Valley Bluenose]

Given that we are now into January - and St Mirren have added new signings - it throws up an interesting conundrum if the Appeals win and the games have to be played. Can Brophy and Quaner, for example, play for St Mirren in the rescheduled fixture?

Can of worms. Again.

 

[Thecraw99]

Am I correct in saying these were being held today . Interesting to see what comes of them

6pm today according to a St Boo director on Twitter.

 

[insanicdrunk]

3-0 losses as you didnt play your special dubai card.

 

[Mosschops]

The points deductions will be reversed and the games will be played at a later date. There is no chance they will deduct points for Covid breaches and postponements with the mentally challengeds being under such scrutiny for Dubai

 

[GovanFront4]

No chance of the 3-0 forfeits standing up to scrutiny - because that would mean Celtic would be fucked for their conduct in Dubai.

Didn't they only have to forfeit because the outbreak caused them to get a game called off? The Scum played their games, so while some may get fined or something they have no games to forfeit.

 

[THEGOVANFRONT]

Given that we are now into January - and St Mirren have added new signings - it throws up an interesting conundrum if the Appeals win and the games have to be played. Can Brophy and Quaner, for example, play for St Mirren in the rescheduled fixture?

Can of worms. Again.

Ajeti I'm sure played for the Bheasts after their rearranged game against St Mirren who wasn't signed at the time of the original fixture and im sure he then scored the winning goal in the rearranged fixture
Could be wrong though

 

[Main Stand]

Given that we are now into January - and St Mirren have added new signings - it throws up an interesting conundrum if the Appeals win and the games have to be played. Can Brophy and Quaner, for example, play for St Mirren in the rescheduled fixture?

Can of worms. Again.

Brophy is a pre-contract deal is it not, or did he go on loan for the duration of his Killie deal?.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

Their appeals will be upheld, We all know the reason why.

 

[cradletograve]

Pretty sure I read somewhere that the review would start at 18:00 today

That's correct.
That way they miss all the major news outlets till tomorrow, by which time they'll have made a shitey, watery statement and then they'll go back to hiding.

 

[jim_baxter1960]

They will have the decisions reversed as Covid FC might end up in the same boat.

No way will the Compliant Officer damage the reputation of Molestic.

 

[1288Bear]

The problem with the award of a 3-0 victory in a league match is that, while it punishes the guilty party, it also rewards their opponent in a manner they do not necessarily merit.

This in turn punishes others who are totally unrelated to the effected game.

Motherwell and Hamilton are in a relegation battle with Ross County and to reward those clubs not only with 3 points they may not have won but with an enhanced goal difference of +3 is unfair on Ross County and could, ultimately, lead to their relegation.

Similarly - imagine being in a title race where goal difference could be the deciding factor and having a game against the bottom club, where you hoped to score a few goals, cancelled and being awarded +3 gd when previous games suggested you could benefit more from playing the game.

That is why, in my opinion, such 3-0 awards should be restricted to cup competitions to penalise teams for fielding ineligible players.

Has no place in league football - by all means dock the guilty party of points but don't reward their opponents and potentially reward or punish teams not involved in the game at all.

 

[Jase]

The original 0-3 penalties were because they couldn't fulfil fixtures. That's not gonna happen with the tramps unless a lot more of them have to isolate.

However there is the question of the £40k fines for breaching protocols. And if players can be identified then suspension for (at least) 7 matches would be consistent with Jones & Edmundson.

 

[rangers1962]

Dock points from Killie and St Mirren and you have to dock the filth.

It ain't happening. Celtc have saved the day for them.

Not sure about that, scum played the game the other 2 never, is that not why they got 0-3 result????

 

[cradletograve]

They will have the decisions reversed as Covid FC might end up in the same boat.

No way will the Compliant Officer damage the reputation of Molestic.

 

[bedsblue]

Given that we are now into January - and St Mirren have added new signings - it throws up an interesting conundrum if the Appeals win and the games have to be played. Can Brophy and Quaner, for example, play for St Mirren in the rescheduled fixture?

Can of worms. Again.

After last/this years Scottish Cup Final anything goes....copyright Beast FC.

 

[TheWorks]

They will be successful on appeal for sure. If not the entire 300 Celtic squad that went to Dubai will need a 7 match ban

 

[Valley Bluenose]

EDIT: Double post.

 

[Valley Bluenose]

Brophy is a pre-contract deal is it not, or did he go on loan for the duration of his Killie deal?.

Played against Motherwell at the weekend mate.

 

[BSPECIAL]

They will win their appeals as the scotshit authorities know that the national team broke covid rules after qualifying for some tourney and celtic broke umpteen covid rules after the cup final both with their celebrations.

 

[fergie1959]

Nothing will happen as it may affect the scum. And remember all is well again within scottish football, as lawwell has apologised............ Huzzah!

 

[Livibear]

The Scottish Cup being canned for the moment gives them an out.

They now have time to have the previously awarded matches played...and that way they don’t need to punish Celtic.

 

[kMac1]

I think the 3-0 losses will stand, only reason I think this is because Celtic were forced to play their game against hibs on Monday. Surely Liewell would just have cancelled the game if he knew the 3-0 losses would be overturned. I think they knew they would stand so just played the game.

 

[truebluerfc]

I think most people by now know they’ll make their decision based on whatever has least ramifications on any Celtic charge going forward

 

[Bangersbc]

The problem with the award of a 3-0 victory in a league match is that, while it punishes the guilty party, it also rewards their opponent in a manner they do not necessarily merit.

This in turn punishes others who are totally unrelated to the effected game.

Motherwell and Hamilton are in a relegation battle with Ross County and to reward those clubs not only with 3 points they may not have won but with an enhanced goal difference of +3 is unfair on Ross County and could, ultimately, lead to their relegation.

Similarly - imagine being in a title race where goal difference could be the deciding factor and having a game against the bottom club, where you hoped to score a few goals, cancelled and being awarded +3 gd when previous games suggested you could benefit more from playing the game.

That is why, in my opinion, such 3-0 awards should be restricted to cup competitions to penalise teams for fielding ineligible players.

Has no place in league football - by all means dock the guilty party of points but don't reward their opponents and potentially reward or punish teams not involved in the game at all.

But surely it robs the innocent team of the opportunity to gain 3 points? If we lost a league by 2 points having only played 3u games we would be livid. Or are you proposing that rearrangements should always take place - in which case is there any penalty at all?

 

[sammy1872]

Pretty sure I read somewhere that the review would start at 18:00 today

That’s a weird time for a appeal. What have they been doing all day

 

[NSTPAB]

That’s a weird time for a appeal. What have they been doing all day

No doubt asking the Fat Japanese how to proceed with the review

 

[Virgil Hilts]

That’s a weird time for a appeal. What have they been doing all day

Fighting COVID.

 

[sir_walter_smith]

Interesting to note that Raith have applied for a postponement due to COVID issues. What's the rules under that? If they can't fulfill that's a forfeit, right? Are they hoping all parties agree therefore don't go down that route?

 

[Rangerdanger]

When will we hear the results of the appeal?

 

[1288Bear]

But surely it robs the innocent team of the opportunity to gain 3 points? If we lost a league by 2 points having only played 3u games we would be livid. Or are you proposing that rearrangements should always take place - in which case is there any penalty at all?

Game should ultimately go ahead. There does need to be a punishment, what I'm not sure, but in my opinion it should not reward or punish other teams.

 

[Mac72]

Weren't Killie told not to play/travel for the game by their local health body.

 

[sammy1872]

When will we hear the results of the appeal?

My guess is tomorrow at 6pm when they can shut up shop for the weekend and not answer questions

 

[1288Bear]

Didn't they only have to forfeit because the outbreak caused them to get a game called off? The Scum played their games, so while some may get fined or something they have no games to forfeit.

That may well be how they spin it but the punishment was not because the game was cancelled. The game being cancelled is, in fact, what led to the investigation which identified the breaches of protocols. It is the breaches of protocols they were punished for.

This is why the appeals will be citing events in Dubai and, potentially, with the National team and claiming that they are being punished for breaching protocols that others are clearly breaching without punishment.

 

[GovanFront4]

That may well be how they spin it but the punishment was not because the game was cancelled. The game being cancelled is, in fact, what led to the investigation which identified the breaches of protocols. It is the breaches of protocols they were punished for.

This is why the appeals will be citing events in Dubai and, potentially, with the National team and claiming that they are being punished for breaching protocols that others are clearly breaching without punishment.

They forfeited the match because it had to be cancelled due to Covid, the spread was found to be the clubs fault for not implementing the neccesary restrictions.

Celtic haven't had a match called off, so there is no match to forfeit.

 

[1288Bear]

They forfeited the match because it had to be cancelled due to Covid, the spread was found to be the clubs fault for not implementing the neccesary restrictions.

Celtic haven't had a match called off, so there is no match to forfeit.

So they have been punished for the games being cancelled not for the actual breaches of the rules/protocols but for the consequence of those breaches.

If there are rules in place that apply to all and several people break those rules then it seems logical that all who break those rules are due the same or similar punishment. It surely isn't fair that such draconian punishment is purely down to fortune and whether or not you are lucky enough not to have to cancel due to the number affected.

Break the rules and the punishment should be the same for all who do. And for the record I don't believe that any team should be forfeiting a game in these circumstances.

That's my opinion but if it is in the rules that this is the way it should be dealt with and clubs should forfeit cancelled games and suffer a 3-0 reversal then so be it.

 

[GovanFront4]

So they have been punished for the games being cancelled not for the actual breaches of the rules/protocols but for the consequence of those breaches.

If there are rules in place that apply to all and several people break those rules then it seems logical that all who break those rules are due the same or similar punishment. It surely isn't fair that such draconian punishment is purely down to fortune and whether or not you are lucky enough not to have to cancel due to the number affected.

Break the rules and the punishment should be the same for all who do. And for the record I don't believe that any team should be forfeiting a game in these circumstances.

That's my opinion but if it is in the rules that this is the way it should be dealt with and clubs should forfeit cancelled games and suffer a 3-0 reversal then so be it.

Hibs were told they would have to play the game or forfeit the game so it looks like forfeit and a 3-0 loss is for games not played. Celtic will fulfill their matches, so there is no match to forfeit.

 

[StevieH]

That’s a weird time for a appeal. What have they been doing all day

They have been watching the Sellick holiday videos from Dubai perhaps.

 

[1288Bear]

Hibs were told they would have to play the game or forfeit the game so it looks like forfeit and a 3-0 loss is for games not played. Celtic will fulfill their matches, so there is no match to forfeit.

Sounds to me like they are making some of it up as they go along and, with regards Hibs concerns, reverting back to their old threatening behaviour - or robust conversations as I believe they like to call it.

 

[Paisley Ger]

They will win their appeals as the scotshit authorities know that the national team broke covid rules after qualifying for some tourney and celtic broke umpteen covid rules after the cup final both with their celebrations.

No they won’t - only St Mirren and Kilmarnock failed to fulfil their fixtures, that is why they were punished so harshly. Celtic broke the rules but have fulfilled all of their fixtures - they should receive another form of punishment eg suspensions for the guilty players.