You know that’s what this thread is about lolPut Sterling in for him and push Tav further forward?
You know that’s what this thread is about lolPut Sterling in for him and push Tav further forward?
He doesn’t play back at RB anyway so he is well versed at being in a forward postionSince when has tav played further forward?
I'll need to rewatch that game, but I remember the general consensus was the difference in attacking quality was the ultimate difference between the sides that day (as opposed to the midfield battle). I also recall Sterling getting a lot of plauditsThat's not really how I remember the December OF in fairness don't remember us dominating midfield at any point. And the last one whatever the plan was was thrown into turmoil after 20 seconds so they're tough games to really gauge.
Dio and Lundstram are midfielders by trade. They've got to be trusted to do what's asked of them next week. Sterling in front of Tav at least helps to shore up that side of the pitch and nullify their threat. Plus sterling's athleticism can cover for Tav when he makes his moves forward from deep.
Mate. He's a right back. It's really simple. There's a reason no manager has done it with him before. Everything Tav does even in an attacking sense stems from the fact that he's a right back. It's not as simple as people think to just say play him right wing cos he runs up there anyway he's a right back and will remain a right back until he retires.Saturday might be a gamble but it's definitely something that should be considered if Tav is here next year. Has been suggested many times on here over the years to move Tav forward and been thrown out as crazy but he is probably one of the best finishers at the club and has an instinct to be in the right place when near the goal. He doesn't have the pace he once had to be bombing up from deep and is smart enough to be able to adapt to being a bit further forward.
As I remember it they should have had 2 or 3 goals before we even got a foothold in the game but it became more even as the game went on and ultimately their extra quality up front was the difference.I'll need to rewatch that game, but I remember the general consensus was the difference in attacking quality was the ultimate difference between the sides that day (as opposed to the midfield battle). I also recall Sterling getting a lot of plaudits
I do agree Tav needs better protection, although I think Sterling can also offer this when defending if he's right of a midfield 3. Lundstram and Dio beside him would make up a very strong midfield trio that wouldn't be bullied as easily as the Ibrox game
I have as much right to talk shit as you buddy , not sniff sniff , puff puff pass.A lot of new members starting threads and speaking sh!te on here today. Sniff sniff.
Also , paranoid much.A lot of new members starting threads and speaking sh!te on here today. Sniff sniff.
Dessers reminds me of my right foot, good if I don’t have time to think about itThe problem is up front not defence. We need a change from Dessers who cannot hold the ball up and engage even general play nevermind the fact he’s like a 1970’s CH when presented with a chance
Sorry, but I don't agree. Loads of players over the years have moved into other positions after long careers in one position. Just look when we are chasing a game the amount of times he is pushed further up to try and get something. Not saying it's perfect but at the moment he is probably a better finisher than any other fit member of the team. If he stays with us it cannot be as RB, just about every team we play target that area, with success, and it then has an effect on team selection to try and protect that area.Mate. He's a right back. It's really simple. There's a reason no manager has done it with him before. Everything Tav does even in an attacking sense stems from the fact that he's a right back. It's not as simple as people think to just say play him right wing cos he runs up there anyway he's a right back and will remain a right back until he retires.
Those attributes are far more useful in the midfield 3 when it comes to an old firm imo. The game is won and lost in midfield and we need to learn from our mistakes. The midfield 3 should be Lundstram, Diomande and Sterling.Has he really demonstrated all of those things on a consistent basis though? Has he shown the intelligence needed for those attributes to be an asset for us in midfield? Are all of those things not just as useful out on the right? (With the exception of box to box of course, that would be up and down the right side either slotting in for Tav to go fwd or overlapping Tav to create an overload on that wing).
You can slice his attributes many ways it seems. Works against him somehow in not being used in the same position consistently.
Not saying I disagree with your comments btw I just have questions. I see us being more short on that right side of midfield than Central. Tav has had mccausland and Wright in the last 2 OFs in front of him and we've seen the non existent protection they've offered. That issue disappears for me with sterling there.
Think tav needs to come onto the game to be effective, they’ll just sit Maeda on him 20 yards further forward and it will still be game over , he’d sit Saturday out for me
Not sure why we don’t try this but seems like an immediate solve to a problem, Sterling clearly prefers the defensive side of things, Tav clearly excels going forward.
Just switch them round and we have a more sound defence and a right sided forward player who knows that side of the game and his way to goal
I agree sterling could deal with meada and let them actually worry about tav going forwardNot sure why we don’t try this but seems like an immediate solve to a problem, Sterling clearly prefers the defensive side of things, Tav clearly excels going forward.
Just switch them round and we have a more sound defence and a right sided forward player who knows that side of the game and his way to goal
This is something that Sterling should do as cover until Tav is back in position.I agree sterling could deal with meada and let them actually worry about tav going forward
Agree on paper if you're picking a midfield 3 then that's probably the most solid trio you can pick providing the lads either side of lundrstram are prepared to do the dirty defensive work when needed in terms of helping both full backs out defensively. I'm looking at where they can hurt us the most and down both flanks, especially down our right has been glaring in recent games.Those attributes are far more useful in the midfield 3 when it comes to an old firm imo. The game is won and lost in midfield and we need to learn from our mistakes. The midfield 3 should be Lundstram, Diomande and Sterling.
A controlled and balanced midfield 3 which can run and dominate.
Playing a balanced 3 in midfield should provide cover for the fullbacks.
Imo we need to return to Gerrardball to beat them.
But he struggles to get back and it’s a 2 on 1 situation or tav does go forward but we take him off of corners and certain free kicks aswell except the ones that have an opportunity to score fromThis is something that Sterling should do as cover until Tav is back in position.
Then resume his own midfield role when Tav is back defending.Which Tav should do as soon as play breaks down .
We need Sterling to first and foremost control the midfield and that involves more than just taking out Maeda and being defensive.Sterling has to be aggressive in his forward play in that role imo.
Tavs forays should just be raids end off and back pronto.
He’s just much faster than Tav which is where the midfield comes in and offers protectionTav seems to s##te it against the James Bond villian when there's no need. Shows him far to much respect.
Our most dominant period of the season was when he was playing centrally and running through absolutely everyone we played.Why are you so convinced that Sterling is the answer to that?
Genuine question not picking an argument. Lots of clamour for Sterling centrally and I'm not sure I'm on board with it. Help me understand! What does he offer that none of the other midfielders do?
Yeah imagine putting a high scoring non defensive right back further forward and a non scoring defensive right back at right back.This is an even worse shout than the ridiculous OP.
Are you serious ,putting Tav who is struggling as a defender ,losing pace by the season with no basic midfield skills up against them ,honestly mate the mind boggles at that.Not sure why we don’t try this but seems like an immediate solve to a problem, Sterling clearly prefers the defensive side of things, Tav clearly excels going forward.
Just switch them round and we have a more sound defence and a right sided forward player who knows that side of the game and his way to goal
It isn't going to happen mateSorry, but I don't agree. Loads of players over the years have moved into other positions after long careers in one position. Just look when we are chasing a game the amount of times he is pushed further up to try and get something. Not saying it's perfect but at the moment he is probably a better finisher than any other fit member of the team. If he stays with us it cannot be as RB, just about every team we play target that area, with success, and it then has an effect on team selection to try and protect that area.
What don't you agree with? My comment said he's a right back and that he will remain a right back. What part of that are you disagreeing with? He's not a right back? We aren't going to play him upfront mate trust me.Sorry, but I don't agree. Loads of players over the years have moved into other positions after long careers in one position. Just look when we are chasing a game the amount of times he is pushed further up to try and get something. Not saying it's perfect but at the moment he is probably a better finisher than any other fit member of the team. If he stays with us it cannot be as RB, just about every team we play target that area, with success, and it then has an effect on team selection to try and protect that area.
I don't think it would make any difference how much evidence you have mate,and you pointed out plenty some people just don't want to see itTavernier has been going through a terrible run of form.
Celtic game - mistake in the first minute and many other lose passes.
Dundee he’s moving towards left back position and leaves dundees left winger in acres of space in the first few minutes. Saved by Butland.
Ross county caught out of position for 2 of the goals.
St Mirren two terrible mistakes in the opening stages.
Yesterday he left the Kilmarnock winger unmarked before putting the ball into the net.
Maeda targets him and St Mirren also openly admitted to him being the weak point in the media on the day of the game.
Vve mate
I’d have Sterling at right back.
NopeNo, Sterling absolutely has to play central midfield next week.
You not seen the last few old firms ? He absolutely schools tav until the last 20 when he runs out of legs then usually by then it’s too lateThis is an even worse shout than the ridiculous OP.
Yes, it’s the same thing.He doesn’t play back at RB anyway so he is well versed at being in a forward postion
Yeah imagine putting a high scoring non defensive right back further forward and a non scoring defensive right back at right back.
The horror and absolute logic is ridiculous
I’d certainly be asking Sterling to play deeper and double up with Tav in protecting our right hand side. We need to see the first 30mins through without giving them anything in the first half and then the first 15mins of the 2nd half….we tend to fair better than them in the latter stages! So keeping tight and not starting slow as we tend to do is massive for us!!Not sure why we don’t try this but seems like an immediate solve to a problem, Sterling clearly prefers the defensive side of things, Tav clearly excels going forward.
Just switch them round and we have a more sound defence and a right sided forward player who knows that side of the game and his way to goal
I agree he's a right back but that doesn't mean forever. I think we need new blood at RB. Do you think Tav should remain RB and also do you not think he is capable of changing position? Modern footballers have to be flexible and comfortable in different areas of the pitch.What don't you agree with? My comment said he's a right back and that he will remain a right back. What part of that are you disagreeing with? He's not a right back? We aren't going to play him upfront mate trust me.
I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to whether we should keep Tav. He's both exceptional and woeful. But I wouldn't play him further up. I get what you're saying he has attacking qualities but he has those qualities based on coming from right back, he's played there his whole career. That's where hes used to being in games. People don't realise that mindset and that he'd be all over the place positionally if you asked him to play further up. It's not as easy as you think mate. It's a kinda obvious suggestion so I understand it, he's great going forward and not great defending but like I said it's obvious so all his managers who know him allot better than us would've contemplated the idea and there's a reason none of them have done it yet. Our last few managers have all been lacking a right winger yet none of them have played Tav there. That is quite tellingI agree he's a right back but that doesn't mean forever. I think we need new blood at RB. Do you think Tav should remain RB and also do you not think he is capable of changing position? Modern footballers have to be flexible and comfortable in different areas of the pitch.
We're getting closer. You're right, thinking a player can change a position he's played his whole career at could well be difficult and maybe won't work. However, my thoughts are that Tav simply can't remain as RB and if there is still a future for him here then it will be further forward. As I posted earlier, any time we're chasing a game Tav is the one who is pushed way up, whether this can work in normal play is open to debate.I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to whether we should keep Tav. He's both exceptional and woeful. But I wouldn't play him further up. I get what you're saying he has attacking qualities but he has those qualities based on coming from right back, he's played there his whole career. That's where hes used to being in games. People don't realise that mindset and that he'd be all over the place positionally if you asked him to play further up. It's not as easy as you think mate. It's a kinda obvious suggestion so I understand it, he's great going forward and not great defending but like I said it's obvious so all his managers who know him allot better than us would've contemplated the idea and there's a reason none of them have done it yet. Our last few managers have all been lacking a right winger yet none of them have played Tav there. That is quite telling
I believe it will be he either leaves or stays first choice RB mateWe're getting closer. You're right, thinking a player can change a position he's played his whole career at could well be difficult and maybe won't work. However, my thoughts are that Tav simply can't remain as RB and if there is still a future for him here then it will be further forward. As I posted earlier, any time we're chasing a game Tav is the one who is pushed way up, whether this can work in normal play is open to debate.
What allot of people don't realise is he's quite often played a pivotal part in why we need to chase the game in the first place. People keep talking about his goals but how many of them have compensated for his own errors... I know you agree I'm just saying. I love the guy and he's a legend for me, but I just think it's time to move on.We're getting closer. You're right, thinking a player can change a position he's played his whole career at could well be difficult and maybe won't work. However, my thoughts are that Tav simply can't remain as RB and if there is still a future for him here then it will be further forward. As I posted earlier, any time we're chasing a game Tav is the one who is pushed way up, whether this can work in normal play is open to debate.
Pace, stamina, aggression and composure. The other 2 will play much better with Sterling in beside them.Why are you so convinced that Sterling is the answer to that?
Genuine question not picking an argument. Lots of clamour for Sterling centrally and I'm not sure I'm on board with it. Help me understand! What does he offer that none of the other midfielders do?