Scaramanga
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So you’re calling our players liars then?People are booing it because they object to their own club players being forced to participate in this political gesture. They are not actually booing their own players.
So you’re calling our players liars then?People are booing it because they object to their own club players being forced to participate in this political gesture. They are not actually booing their own players.
Who? Name them then. Which of our players are getting pissed off having to spend 10 seconds pre-match to take a knee to highlight racial inequality and abuse that there colleagues and friends face every single day. Which players are you talking about?So you don't think some players are thinking "how long is this going to last, we've been doing it for 18 months now but I don't want to be the first to say I'm not taking the knee anymore"?
If you don't think some players are doing this against their will then you are extremely naive.
Yes. Get them to fućkShould we then ban people for singing songs about the pope, the Vatican and rosary beads . Yes or No?
What are you talking about. No one sings these songs at Ibrox. You dont go to IbroxWell let me see you campaign to get them stopped.
You won’t though.
Love your idea of questioning them to see whether you agree though. I'm sure that would be well received by the players.
The players are choosing to do it so will see value in doing so (or else they wouldn't be doing it)
Honestly what planet do you live on
To highlight the racial abuse black players get all the time on SM and elsewhere. Where you living on the moon during the Kamara incident? Its forcing debate and imo exposing the 'Im not racist ..but' brigade big time.No, not at all. It was a simple question.
How long does this go for and what is the desired end goal? What are the demands of the campaign so we can help work towards that and move on?
You've not seen my reports at work, they could send a cokehead to sleepYeah mate, probably could have done with being a wee bit more succinct there.
Great comeback. Are you too entrenched in your own view to think that maybe, just maybe, some players think this has ran its course but don't want to be the first to say so?Somehow i doubt Tav and Goldson are going around the dressing room with a revolver to the heads of Mcgregor and Davis forcing them to get on their knees for the black man
Wtf are you slavering about "name them"?Who? Name them then. Which of our players are getting pissed off having to spend 10 seconds pre-match to take a knee to highlight racial inequality and abuse that there colleagues and friends face every single day. Which players are you talking about?
It's not a measurable quantity.This is kind of inane but if you want to take a poll of how many people have become radical Marxists after seeing footballers take a knee for a few seconds (even though they've told us this isn't political), I'll happily contribute. I suspect the number might be somewhere around zero.
They dont want to obviously or they would. Nobody is stopping them. At worse I doubt they give a flying F&ck because they dont have a jobby instead of a brain.Great comeback. Are you too entrenched in your own view to think that maybe, just maybe, some players think this has ran its course but don't want to be the first to say so?
Celtic fans are messaging Slavia Prague fans on Twitter telling them to listen on Saturday.Celtic fans and Scottish Nationalists are desperate for you to boo. Rangers players don't want you to boo.
I noticed you said you've not decided whether to boo or not. I can imagine it's a really wrenching decision.
Aye, because it wouldn't cause any disharmony in the dressing room. Nope, not at all.They dont want to obviously or they would. Nobody is stopping them. At worse I doubt they give a flying F&ck because they dont have a jobby instead of a brain.
You said...Wtf are you slavering about "name them"?
It's an utterly huge leap considering they've seen first hand the damage that racial abuse does to their mates.Aye, because it wouldn't cause any disharmony in the dressing room. Nope, not at all.
On that, I was just replying to the guy who I feel was downplaying that aspect of our club.Agreed, and I love them for it.
What has that got to do with the subject matter though. None of those things have anything to do with Rangers players taking the knee. It’s been explained a hundred times the players don’t do it as a BLM leftist, anarchist anti British, unionist, loyalist act.
Just plain old black and white racial equality.Simple.
Don’t boo on Saturday. You will hurt our club.
Well done - oh no pope of rome - congratulations to all involved.I minute 10seconds. Only two years ago and the whole stadium.
It’s not exactly a debate with people like yourself who take it as “everyone who disagrees with me is racist”.To highlight the racial abuse black players get all the time on SM and elsewhere. Where you living on the moon during the Kamara incident? Its forcing debate and imo exposing the 'Im not racist ..but' brigade big time.
Blows my mind people are genuinely offended by this gesture.
It's depressing to think we have people eager to load the gun for them.Celtic fans are messaging Slavia Prague fans on Twitter telling them to listen on Saturday.
Blows your mind.
Aye, because it wouldn't cause any disharmony in the dressing room. Nope, not at all.
Yes everyone knows the difference, they are stark. So why adopt their gesture??What a fucking take.
You realise there is a difference between BLM as an organisation and BLM as a sentiment? And this has been explained so many times that I can only imagine those still persisting with this particular line of pish are wilfully ignoring it to suit their insane argument.
Oh aye, taking the knee is the same as a Nazi salute.
You utter crank.
Posts like this are a gentle reminder that FF is primarily full of pre-pubescent teens and 45 year olds who still live with their parents.By this point I am convinced "Everyone knows his name." is actually this guy
Are you seriously suggesting that there’s an issue with what I had said there?Love your idea of questioning them to see whether you agree though. I'm sure that would be well received by the players.
The players are choosing to do it so will see value in doing so (or else they wouldn't be doing it)
Honestly what planet do you live on
There really isnt anywhere else to hide with this. Everything else is just a strawman argument now.It’s not exactly a debate with people like yourself who take it as “everyone who disagrees with me is racist”.
We will have to agree to disagree mate.
I'm not involved in an argument with you mate, just wanted to pop on and say that you are definitely insane.These songs were sung two weeks ago at tranmere.
When you result to personal insults then you’ve lost the argument.
They won’t say a thing about these songs as they are all bluster.
Our obsession with the Pope is mind numbing.It’s gesture politics that has no place in sport.
So should we now stop singing songs about the pope, the Vatican and rosary beads as not to hurt the RCs who are players ?
Taking the knee did not start with BLM. Stop telling liesYes everyone knows the difference, they are stark. So why adopt their gesture??
The take the knee stuff started with BLM the organisation before it became a wider meaning. In fact, the distinction only became a thing last year when they came into more notariety following the George flloyd riots and organisations had to start distancing themselves from blm the group.
So why in god's name would you use the same imagery of an evil group (where the nazi salute analogy comes from, I didn't think they needed spelt out). It's a PR disaster.
If I didn't want people to think I was racist the last thing I'd do is boo an anti-racism gesture. You could hardly blame people for reaching that conclusion. Trust me, there will be no nuance in the headlines that will travel across the world.It’s not exactly a debate with people like yourself who take it as “everyone who disagrees with me is racist”.
We will have to agree to disagree mate.
Adopting symbolism from an evil organisation to promote a worthy cause and being amazed when people are unhappy with the symbol of choice.
Most of us have catholics in our familiesOur obsession with the Pope is mind numbing.
Can’t even sing sweet Caroline because we’re the only support that does the add on.
Explain this, because all I see in western europe is a dislike of america. That's just on this forum alone.America is the global symbol of capitalism.
By opposing Americanisation, you're actually furthering a Marxist agenda.
Ask yourself, why is it that people want to be more like Americans? What is it that is appealing about it, and why is that a bad thing?
The PR disaster waiting to happen is people booing players protesting anti racism.Yes everyone knows the difference, they are stark. So why adopt their gesture??
The take the knee stuff started with BLM the organisation before it became a wider meaning. In fact, the distinction only became a thing last year when they came into more notariety following the George flloyd riots and organisations had to start distancing themselves from blm the group.
So why in god's name would you use the same imagery of an evil group (where the nazi salute analogy comes from, I didn't think they needed spelt out). It's a PR disaster.
It's not a measurable quantity.
BLM activists in the community will use the image and symbolism of players doing it to bring disaffected youths on board and start to build resentment against mainstream society.
That'll be the mainstream society that has tolerated or turned a blind eye to racism throughout the 20th century? If there was no racism, there would be no need to take the knee. Its that simple and dont kid yourself on its about racism in another country, its about discrimination here. If the Ibrox booers can't have word with themselves and respect our players then maybe they could do the rest of us a favour and stay at home and bump their gums till their heart's content.It's not a measurable quantity.
BLM activists in the community will use the image and symbolism of players doing it to bring disaffected youths on board and start to build resentment against mainstream society.
I couldn't believe my ears at the weekend when Jobby hands was getting sung about.Our obsession with the Pope is mind numbing.
Can’t even sing sweet Caroline because we’re the only support that does the add on.
How do you know this? 16% of scotland is catholic, so please explain how most of us have Catholics in our families.Most of us have catholics in our families
Its mind boggling
It started with Colin Kaepernick in support of BLM in 2016 after the riots in Ferguson and the fake hands up don't shoot lie propagated by BLM and certain news media.Taking the knee did not start with BLM. Stop telling lies
Sounds like a brief outburst within a wider singsong. I havent personally heard that song at Ibrox for at least 15 years and its quite worrying that you had that video so readily at handSo you now agree with me that these songs are still being sung.
What was it you said earlier ? Twenty years
It isn't for you to decide what is appropriate.Yes everyone knows the difference, they are stark. So why adopt their gesture??
The take the knee stuff started with BLM the organisation before it became a wider meaning. In fact, the distinction only became a thing last year when they came into more notariety following the George flloyd riots and organisations had to start distancing themselves from blm the group.
So why in god's name would you use the same imagery of an evil group (where the nazi salute analogy comes from, I didn't think they needed spelt out). It's a PR disaster.
Are you seriously suggesting that there’s an issue with what I had said there?
Are you suggesting that you’d support them on literally whatever they said without at least hearing what they want to change?
Really?The PR disaster waiting to happen is people booing players protesting anti racism.
What bad PR have we received from taking the knee? The only people angered by it are the people it's aimed at.Yes everyone knows the difference, they are stark. So why adopt their gesture??
The take the knee stuff started with BLM the organisation before it became a wider meaning. In fact, the distinction only became a thing last year when they came into more notariety following the George flloyd riots and organisations had to start distancing themselves from blm the group.
So why in god's name would you use the same imagery of an evil group (where the nazi salute analogy comes from, I didn't think they needed spelt out). It's a PR disaster.
Post like yours are a gentle reminder that FF is also full of old dinosaurs who are simply unwilling to listen to the players and believe their own self righteous opinions far outweigh everything else.Posts like this are a gentle reminder that FF is primarily full of pre-pubescent teens and 45 year olds who still live with their parents.
I'm glad you countered it and gave a brilliant rebuttal. Otherwise people might think you had no answerLol this is up there with the most ridiculous things in this thread & that's saying something
Would have loved to have seen your reaction to some of the pictures in the Champagne Jill threadPosts like this are a gentle reminder that FF is primarily full of pre-pubescent teens and 45 year olds who still live with their parents.
We will have to agree to disagree on that. Myself and 100s of millions of others around the world see the gesture as linked to the tarnished BLM movement. That’s never going to change now.If I didn't want people to think I was racist the last thing I'd do is boo an anti-racism gesture. You could hardly blame people for reaching that conclusion. Trust me, there will be no nuance in the headlines that will travel across the world.
Really?
So you're an anti racism activist and you want to affect change in racial equality and unite everyone behind a cause. You choose a gesture which is associated with an evil organisation who a lot of people hate.
You don't reckon that's a pr disaster?