The day the swastika flew at Ibrox

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Did anybody know about this story, Ibrox hosted an international between Scotland and Nazi Germany (complete swastika and salutes). However Scotland beat them 2-0, something that apparently displeased Hitler no end after the Jesse Owens win at the olympics.


EDIT: this isn't intended to associate Rangers with the nazis or say it was any sort of issue, its just an interesting bit of minutiae that i came across that id never seen before. Also its an interesting side note that Scotland are playing under the union flag.
 
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Don’t think anyone knew at the time what flag would represent. There was no issue at the time. Just another holographic straw for yahoos to clutch at.
 
Bowery Boy said:
Yeah, you'll sometimes see an obsessed yahoo reference it as if we flew it as a tribute to the fcuking Nazis.
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on more than one occassion

they see it and go fascist Rangers

only to find our Scotland beat Nazi Germany 2-0 and a Celtic player scoring both goals
 
1690 said:
Love that mentally challengeds try to make something of this when the Irish tricolour was flown at half mast across the RoI by order of their president the day Hitler killed himself.
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And when statues of IRA nazi collaborators/saboteurs are erected in Dublin.
 
The swastika was the national flag of Germany at the time, just as the hammer and sickle flag of the Soviets was for Russia.
 
The only people old enough to have formed an opinion about that flag and are still today alive would be close to 100 years old. For the rest of us, that flag is a thing of revulsion and a time in human history that must never be repeated. Only the small minority of sad wannabees deniers that flirt with various red, white and black flags believe otherwise.
 
crimsonking said:
The only people old enough to have formed an opinion about that flag and are still today alive would be close to 100 years old. For the rest of us, that flag is a thing of revulsion and a time in human history that must never be repeated. Only the small minority of sad wannabees deniers that flirt with various red, white and black flags believe otherwise.
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What does this even mean?
 
Not that it's worth a flying fúck worrying about it, but if anything it's would be an SFA problem. They arranged the match.
If they'd played at the midden it would have flown there too.
 
crimsonking said:
The only people old enough to have formed an opinion about that flag and are still today alive would be close to 100 years old. For the rest of us, that flag is a thing of revulsion and a time in human history that must never be repeated. Only the small minority of sad wannabees deniers that flirt with various red, white and black flags believe otherwise.
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You're right however at the time there was nothing wrong with it. It was simply a national flag.
 
crimsonking said:
The only people old enough to have formed an opinion about that flag and are still today alive would be close to 100 years old. For the rest of us, that flag is a thing of revulsion and a time in human history that must never be repeated. Only the small minority of sad wannabees deniers that flirt with various red, white and black flags believe otherwise.
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No idea what any of this means
 
Before the outbreak of war the flying of the nazi flag would have been largely uncontroversial. It wasn't too long before this game that Germany was the Weimar Republic, different flag and everything. Europe was all over the place politically and old nations had been dismantled and new ones had taken their place. I suspect no one at that game would have thought in just a few years the nazi flag would become a symbol of an evil regime.
 
a_weir said:
Other than the fact it was at Rangers’ stadium?
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Do you really think that Rangers had any input into what flag was flown when the SFA rented our stadium for a Scotland match?

So to answer your suggestion that we had any say in what flag was there. We didn't.
It was a Scotland game. At Ibrox.
 
First I’ve heard that. Interesting bit of history. Nothing to be ashamed of. This was before the holocaust
 
scottwoodburn said:
Before the outbreak of war the flying of the nazi flag would have been largely uncontroversial. It wasn't too long before this game that Germany was the Weimar Republic, different flag and everything. Europe was all over the place politically and old nations had been dismantled and new ones had taken their place. I suspect no one at that game would have thought in just a few years the nazi flag would become a symbol of an evil regime.
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What we have to remember the world was fascinated by Adolf Hitler and what he was doing to the German economy and the modernization he was doing with the transport system and many people on public life were desperate to meet the man and get there photo taken with him.when the penny dropped who he really was it was to late
 
As people have said. The Swastika flag at that time didn’t come with the associated horror that is entwined with it now. That was nothing more than a national flag being flown anytime the Germans competed at an event. We even seen foreign competitors doing Nazi salutes in Germany - including the English football team.

Only a few, comparatively few, lone voices (Churchill for example) were warning about the Nazi regime at this time - and these were largely being shouted down by the ‘anti-war‘ sentiment of most people and politicians in the country.
 
Angus Og said:
Do you really think that Rangers had any input into what flag was flown when the SFA rented our stadium for a Scotland match?

So to answer your suggestion that we had any say in what flag was there. We didn't.
It was a Scotland game. At Ibrox.
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You’re missing the point, perhaps deliberately.
 
dublinbluenose said:
What we have to remember the world was fascinated by Adolf Hitler and what he was doing to the German economy and the modernization he was doing with the transport system and many people on public life were desperate to meet the man and get there photo taken with him.when the penny dropped who he really was it was to late
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By this time, Moseley and his black shirts were a big deal in Britain.
There is absolutely zero chance that the Hitler penny dropped after that.
Everyone knew, and sporting events were ignoring it...hence the football incidents.
 
Steve Snedden said:
The LGBTQ Rainbow Flag.

We really should have been able to predict the future.
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Ha, yes.
How silly of our forefathers not have done more to thwart these fascists.

Yes yes, I know they fought a war and died in their tens of thousands on battlefields around the world, went through over a decade of rationing and had their homes bombed and prevailed under dreadful crushing stress.
But hey, flying that horrible flag without a single placard or even a tweet, man they sure lacked the virtue of today's right-on young!
 
a_weir said:
You’re missing the point, perhaps deliberately.
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It would be helpful if you made a point...
other than flying the swastika was Rangers' fault because the match was played at Ibrox, and it had nothing to do with the SFA.
 
Vince said:
As people have said. The Swastika flag at that time didn’t come with the associated horror that is entwined with it now. That was nothing more than a national flag being flown anytime the Germans competed at an event. We even seen foreign competitors doing Nazi salutes in Germany - including the English football team.

Only a few, comparatively few, lone voices (Churchill for example) were warning about the Nazi regime at this time - and these were largely being shouted down by the ‘anti-war‘ sentiment of most people and politicians in the country.
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I am pretty sure that initially Churchill was enamoured by developments in Germany.
It was a few years into the regime before he made a decision to call the Nazis out.
Some say it was because Winston could see a rotter for what he was, others make mention that he was deeply in debt and certain sponsors were anxious for his support in the matter.
Regardless, I tend to believe Winston got it right because he was just a right good egg. :)
 
Angus Og said:
Do you really think that Rangers had any input into what flag was flown when the SFA rented our stadium for a Scotland match?

So to answer your suggestion that we had any say in what flag was there. We didn't.
It was a Scotland game. At Ibrox.
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Mate I'm not sure what your problem is it's just a bit of history about a game played at our Stadium no one is saying we were fucking Nazis.
 
bilkobear said:
I am pretty sure that initially Churchill was enamoured by developments in Germany.
It was a few years into the regime before he made a decision to call the Nazis out.
Some say it was because Winston could see a rotter for what he was, others make mention that he was deeply in debt and certain sponsors were anxious for his support in the matter.
Regardless, I tend to believe Winston got it right because he was just a right good egg. :)
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Churchill mentions making his own study of German rearmament. Mentioned having his own sources etc - and I’m sure mentions the British government were masking some info. That played a big part in him being early to the building threat.
 
Two Nazi flags, one over the old crenellated press box on top of the Main Stand and the other over the Derry Shed.

It would have been controversial at the time that Scotland was entertaining a German national side, the evil of the regime there was widely known even at that time.

The Nazi flag being Germany's national flag at the time was correctly flown, though not by choice of Rangers. Only mischief makers and bigots seek to exploit this event.
 
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