Sasa5Papac
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Honestly don't see much wrong with his statement he is right there will always be something wrong with anything we do in the eyes of those that wanted us gone.
We are doing things wrong through.
Honestly don't see much wrong with his statement he is right there will always be something wrong with anything we do in the eyes of those that wanted us gone.
I'm not disagreeing however we are in no position to take the moral high ground.We don't who does genuine question?, songs glorifying terrorism are totally acceptable on European nights in our own city yet we sing against the perpetrators and are deemed the bad guys this whole scenario stinks to high heavens.
When is it time to say enough then ? The time to fight as you say. People are sick and tired of being demonised and singled out when there is GENUINELY FAR FAR WORSE being tolerated within our our own city. People need to know eufa have opened a real can of worms here and there is NO CRIME in pointing that out.
We are ALWAYS in the position to take the moral high ground never forget that.I'm not disagreeing however we are in no position to take the moral high ground.
We can if we sort ourselves out though.
In life, yes. With shite sung from the stands? Not so much.We are ALWAYS in the position to take the moral high ground never forget that.
We could sit in silence then that'll work eh? If our team played behind closed doors somebody would still have something to say it is literally anything to have a go as will be proven some point soon.In life, yes. With shite sung from the stands? Not so much.
With whom will our hand be stronger?
Certainly nobody in authority in Scottish football or Government.
If you believe its anything than a witch hunt against Rangers then that's a breathtaking level of naiviety.
Do you not know any Rangers songs that can be sung instead?We could sit in silence then that'll work eh? If our team played behind closed doors somebody would still have something to say it is literally anything to have a go as will be proven some point soon.
They have already pressured the MOD to end the heart warming togetherness of the Remembrance Day games at Ibrox as it is deemed offensive, can’t be seen honouring your countries armed forces, it is offensive to terriostsI agree with everything you say but it won’t make a blind bit of difference to the catholic fascists who want us shut down.
If it’s not a song, it will be a flag or a banner or even Armed Forces day at Ibrox. They will grass us up for absolutely anything they think that somebody will listen to.
This will never end until the club start to confront the real bhigots.
Plenty mate my point is there will always be skewed views on our support and this'll get worse after fat Pete getting appointed at Uefa they tried to kill us and failed now they do everything and anything to undermine us FARE were set up purely to play with us didn't see them having a go about a British soldier being murdered song or various other vile ditties, nope we need a level playing field.Do you not know any Rangers songs that can be sung instead?
That is just fucking wrong I hope it falls on it's face.They have already pressured the MOD to end the heart warming togetherness of the Remembrance Day games at Ibrox as it is deemed offensive, can’t be seen honouring your countries armed forces, it is offensive to terriosts
Almost everyone, almost anyone
They’ve already done it mate, they now only allow a few representatives on the park instead of the decent number that used to march onThat is just fucking wrong I hope it falls on it's face.
I dont think the people posting that pish even know what it means. I certainly don't.
I didn't know the reasoning we deserve to honour our forces in any fashion we like they're ours.They’ve already done it mate, they now only allow a few representatives on the park instead of the decent number that used to march on
For me it's quite simple. The good fans need to police the bad fans. I don't mean personally confront them but they need to involve the police and report the offenders. The Club can't do much more. It's time for the Police to impose the law. It's the only way the offenders will learn.I hope this gives a voice to those who hate the loyalist pish! I fear there may be a stubborn element who continue, but I think there may be a louder shout down from the good Rangers fans against sectarianism. I have no doubt that a lot of those singing the UVF stuff will admit they are only doing it because others are doing it.
Attitudes that have changed in society:
Smoking in pubs
Wearing seatbelts in cars
We all got over them, and we will get over this.
It keeps coming back to one simple issue.
That issue is parity of treatment with supporters of other clubs.
If that issue can't be addressed, there will be no "Progress" on this matter.
I'm not sure why anyone would be content to behave like a boy scout whilst opposition fans have carte blanche to sing as they please. It doesn't seem very fair and nor will it solve anything.
Absolutely essential as a means of addressing this. There has to be face to face dialogue between the club and fans and we can get all our respected ex players to join the initiative. Surely, if we come together we can get this sorted?I agree but it wont just happen without some meaningful dialogue between the club and fans. Im talking about Club 1872, SLO, UB, TBO and reps from supporters' clubs and associations. Unite and fight.
Absolutely essential as a means of addressing this. There has to be face to face dialogue between the club and fans and we can get all our respected ex players to join the initiative. Surely, if we come together we can get this sorted?
The club campaign of "Everyone, Anyone" needs to grasp this by the balls and use it as a catalyst to spark it life, not just words. At the same time we must not be shy in being proud of our history and heritage, its essential that this is also defended.Dont know if you've tried approaching anyone at Ibrox but its a bit of a lost cause. They'll claim they're doing everything they can but will just carry on issuing statements after the event and pleading for the songs to stop. Its going to take something special to change this. They're untouchable.
It’s not going to just be European football. You can bet it’s coming to domestic football too. There’s simply no excuse for it. Anyone singing the FTP stuff is no fan of Rangers.We as a club and a support have reached a tipping point either we get our act together or European football will be just a memory for us.
the club says dont do it and they are perfectly entitled to do so, its their business and they set the rules, so DONT do it, suicide otherwise, just when things are looking up we shoot ourselves in the footIt’s not going to just be European football. You can bet it’s coming to domestic football too. There’s simply no excuse for it. Anyone singing the FTP stuff is no fan of Rangers.
I agree but it wont just happen without some meaningful dialogue between the club and fans. Im talking about Club 1872, SLO, UB, TBO and reps from supporters' clubs and associations. Unite and fight.
I think the club must be near breaking point on this . We’ve just launched the Everyone Anyone campaign and got it slammed back in our face by our own “ supporters”. I reckon the next step will see more fans being banned and maybe some losing season tickets. Let’s face it, with recording happening at Ibrox, it would be quite easy to find folks who are doing this. And the club are completely within their right to do so.the club says dont do it and they are perfectly entitled to do so, its their business and they set the rules, so DONT do it, suicide otherwise, just when things are looking up we shoot ourselves in the foot
So before perenthood you did not know what you were singing about ...... wowAbsolutely.
And speaking as someone who has sang everything there is to sing at Rangers games, the St Joseph's game was my daughter's first competitive game attended, we sat above the UB in Broomloan Rear, and for the first time I was a bit uncomfortable listening to some of the things that I have sang for years.
Not that I suddenly became a paragon of virtue, but I did wonder about having to explain to the wean what it was all about, I suppose others may have gone through this in the past as parents.
Forget rights, wrongs and inconsistencies, we have one chance to get this right.
Got me thinking that this is actually an opportunity to re-invent ourselves as a support, and to kill stone dead the inevitable SFA/SPFL sanctions and strict liabilities that will follow. Our enemies are foaming at the mouth and emboldened, and are not really offended, but it's a way to attack us.
We now have a vibrant young energetic Management team and group of players knocking the ball about as well as I have seen, and we seem to be getting so much right in terms of our club rehabilitation and football operations, Youth Dev, improvements to stadium, Hummel Centre etc
If the support can unite and move on from singing about 19th Century Terrorist's, the Pope, Catholics, Paramilitaries, (this horse has bolted by the way, it's a game we can't win) we may find a brave new world that fit's in with our evolution on the field.
I think this is now the only way forward.
I think the club must be near breaking point on this . We’ve just launched the Everyone Anyone campaign and got it slammed back in our face by our own “ supporters”. I reckon the next step will see more fans being banned and maybe some losing season tickets. Let’s face it, with recording happening at Ibrox, it would be quite easy to find folks who are doing this. And the club are completely within their right to do so.
We gave them the ammunition. We did launch Everyone Anyone. Then proceeded to sing songs that make a mockery of the campaign right after it. The buck stops with our fans, not FARE. We clearly violate UEFA rules in European games. We could easily have been charged last season.we launch everyone anyone. FARE then almost instantly attacks us.
Yep no correlation whatsoever.
It's all UB07's fault.
We gave them the ammunition. We did launch Everyone Anyone. Then proceeded to sing songs that make a mockery of the campaign right after it. The buck stops with our fans, not FARE. We clearly violate UEFA rules in European games. We could easily have been charged last season.
The charge was for a match that happened before the campaign was launched. But it could just have easily been for a game after it was launched. It was just a matter of time.
I never mentioned UB07.
This is the best written attempt yet at exploiting the recent sanction as a means to shape the support in an image more to OP's liking. It ranks above tough and numerous competition, too. Great stuff.Forget rights, wrongs and inconsistencies, we have one chance to get this right.
Got me thinking that this is actually an opportunity to re-invent ourselves as a support, and to kill stone dead the inevitable SFA/SPFL sanctions and strict liabilities that will follow. Our enemies are foaming at the mouth and emboldened, and are not really offended, but it's a way to attack us.
We now have a vibrant young energetic Management team and group of players knocking the ball about as well as I have seen, and we seem to be getting so much right in terms of our club rehabilitation and football operations, Youth Dev, improvements to stadium, Hummel Centre etc
If the support can unite and move on from singing about 19th Century Terrorist's, the Pope, Catholics, Paramilitaries, (this horse has bolted by the way, it's a game we can't win) we may find a brave new world that fit's in with our evolution on the field.
I think this is now the only way forward.
This attitude is why we are in this mess. It’s 2019. Time to start realising that we are a football team and start enjoying that aspect. Anyone that goes along to games to sing about the pope, uvf, peados etc are completely selfish and shouldn’t be welcome at our club anymore. They will cause us harm.Why is everybody so quick to criticise our own support and demonise our song book. We all know where this originates from. We all know who have brought it to the attention of footballs governing body. That’s right the same hypocritical bastards, the same morally bankrupt shower of human filth ever to populate this country. If we are to give up these traditions in order to adhere to the “progressive thinking” of the modern world we will do well to remember one simple fact. There was very good reason why generations before us vociferously opposed these people and there beliefs!
I will continue to repeat this as I have done over several threads.
The club punt out orange kits. The connotations are obvious and point to a connection with a protestant institution. The players and staff are strolling about decked in orange training gear whilst the board are preaching to us about leaving that culture behind? Come on to fvck.
Spot on. I agree 100%.Forget rights, wrongs and inconsistencies, we have one chance to get this right.
Got me thinking that this is actually an opportunity to re-invent ourselves as a support, and to kill stone dead the inevitable SFA/SPFL sanctions and strict liabilities that will follow. Our enemies are foaming at the mouth and emboldened, and are not really offended, but it's a way to attack us.
We now have a vibrant young energetic Management team and group of players knocking the ball about as well as I have seen, and we seem to be getting so much right in terms of our club rehabilitation and football operations, Youth Dev, improvements to stadium, Hummel Centre etc
If the support can unite and move on from singing about 19th Century Terrorist's, the Pope, Catholics, Paramilitaries, (this horse has bolted by the way, it's a game we can't win) we may find a brave new world that fit's in with our evolution on the field.
I think this is now the only way forward.
This attitude is why we are in this mess. It’s 2019. Time to start realising that we are a football team and start enjoying that aspect. Anyone that goes along to games to sing about the pope, uvf, peados etc are completely selfish and shouldn’t be welcome at our club anymore. They will cause us harm.
After I heard UEFA’s news yesterday all of our great performances since the start of the season went right out the window.Forget rights, wrongs and inconsistencies, we have one chance to get this right.
Got me thinking that this is actually an opportunity to re-invent ourselves as a support, and to kill stone dead the inevitable SFA/SPFL sanctions and strict liabilities that will follow. Our enemies are foaming at the mouth and emboldened, and are not really offended, but it's a way to attack us.
We now have a vibrant young energetic Management team and group of players knocking the ball about as well as I have seen, and we seem to be getting so much right in terms of our club rehabilitation and football operations, Youth Dev, improvements to stadium, Hummel Centre etc
If the support can unite and move on from singing about 19th Century Terrorist's, the Pope, Catholics, Paramilitaries, (this horse has bolted by the way, it's a game we can't win) we may find a brave new world that fit's in with our evolution on the field.
I think this is now the only way forward.
Forget rights, wrongs and inconsistencies, we have one chance to get this right.
Got me thinking that this is actually an opportunity to re-invent ourselves as a support, and to kill stone dead the inevitable SFA/SPFL sanctions and strict liabilities that will follow. Our enemies are foaming at the mouth and emboldened, and are not really offended, but it's a way to attack us.
We now have a vibrant young energetic Management team and group of players knocking the ball about as well as I have seen, and we seem to be getting so much right in terms of our club rehabilitation and football operations, Youth Dev, improvements to stadium, Hummel Centre etc
If the support can unite and move on from singing about 19th Century Terrorist's, the Pope, Catholics, Paramilitaries, (this horse has bolted by the way, it's a game we can't win) we may find a brave new world that fit's in with our evolution on the field.
I think this is now the only way forward.
Terrorists aren’t a protected group. We sing songs using the word 19th Century Terrorist, that UEFA have came out multiple times in the past and said isn’t acceptable. Stop looking at what other people do. Yes FARE and UEFA are looking at us more than anyone else, but that’s because we probably offend more than anyone else because at least once every game we as a support sing about 19th Century Terrorists. It’s mind blowing that some people are trying to use the “but look what they’re doing” as a defence for our own crimes. It’s pathetic. This is entirely on us.We don't who does genuine question?, songs glorifying terrorism are totally acceptable on European nights in our own city yet we sing against the perpetrators and are deemed the bad guys this whole scenario stinks to high heavens.
Agree 100%. The club now needs to commence a supporter engagement strategy like never before and drag all the groups, influential fans together and tackle this head on, united like never before. It could even galvanise us.
The club has to lead this but we are effectively leaderless.