Two Club 1872 directors have reisgned

supersonic

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This is what I said on that thread 2 and a bit years ago.





None of it has changed in the slightest and while people look to C1872 to do this, that and the other, the core aim of the group seems to have been lost in the noise of trying to run a multitude of projects with a handful of people.

I would strongly suggest that at the next election a handful of people, no experience needed, put themselves forward on a very narrow mandate; Defend the support, build membership, continue to build funds/shareholding and hold the club to account.

If people want to do other things, like the lottery, Charity foundation, anything, then they are free to do so but not under the auspices of a fans group that has struggled to maintain it's early promise. Get back to the basic job, cut out everything else and build a reputation.
Good post. Go with 3 mandates

- Protect fan interests. Continue statements on issues affecting fans, I.e. crush at killie game and fighting back vs BBC's nonsense. Also GGC stuff.
- build sign ups off the back off that, campaigns about current members and the reasons for signing up (protecting future)
- One funded project at a time. Cover it in detail and produce content to show he benefits it has made.

All these working groups that clearly get no where, fighting for a space on the board and as you say spinning too many plates. If 1000 members were asked what they are actually doing we would have no idea.
 

Slim Jim

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INTRODUCTION
As lockdown restrictions have eased, Club 1872 has begun the process of returning to full functioning with our volunteers spending some limited time in the Club 1872 office. While we are not yet at the stage of the office being open on a full time basis to all volunteers or members, we look forward to increasing the amount of time we spend there and welcoming members back for face to face interaction with both the Club 1872 Board and working group volunteers.
We would like to take this opportunity to thank all of our members for their ongoing support through what is undoubtedly a very difficult time for all of us and our families. We hope you are all healthy and urge you to stay safe during this time.
SHARES
Since our last update there have been no further share purchases to report to members. With the ongoing work on our website now in the final stages of completion, we will shortly be launching a campaign to increase our membership and grow the Club 1872 shareholding in RIFC.
PROJECTS
As we outlined in our previous update, due to lockdown restrictions the Rangers Charity Foundation had to suspend the Walking Football programme, which our members funded. We completely understand this decision and they have recently confirmed to us that it will recommence when it is safe and appropriate to do so.
The Dream Day project which was approved by members last season will be carried over and will cover both Dream Days of season 2020/21, subject to government advice on such events.
As always, we continue to liaise with the club and other groups within the Rangers community on potential project opportunities.
BOARD/ADMIN/IT
Website
Work on the Club 1872 website and subscription system is due to be completed in the coming days. We encountered significant delays in delivering the final product to members, but our volunteers have worked closely with our web developers to ensure that what will shortly be on offer to members will enhance their interactions with Club 1872 as well as their ability to manage their Club 1872 accounts.
Members should note that for an initial period, accounts may incorrectly show as being “on hold”. This will gradually clear as monthly donations are made but any members who feel their accounts are incorrectly flagged as “on hold” come October should contact info@club1872.co.uk for assistance.
The ability to join Club 1872 has also been disabled on our website for the time being until our membership campaign launches in the next few weeks.

We thank members for their patience during the upgrade process and would welcome any feedback or questions on the new system - contact us at info@club1872.co.uk.
Club 1872 Board
In the period since our last update, two Club 1872 Directors have resigned their positions.
Alan Fraser resigned during lockdown in July, shortly after our last update. Although Alan’s time on the Board was short we thank him for that time and his offer to assist Club 1872 on specific projects once things return to some sort of normality.
Stuart MacQuarrie resigned at the start of September after serving on the Board for a period of almost three years. We thank Stuart for his time on the Club 1872 Board and wish him well for the future.
There is no requirement under the Articles for elections at this time and, operationally, Club 1872 is unaffected. It is the Board’s intention to examine its options once the ongoing restrictions imposed by Covid-19 are lifted and things return to a degree of normality.
Membership Retention/Card Expiry
Despite the economic implications of the Covd-19 pandemic, membership has remained steady around the 7000 mark in the period since the last update. This is testament to the incredible commitment of our members, and we thank you for your continued support during these difficult times. While many of our activities have been significantly curtailed over recent months, we remain prepared to launch a major campaign to grow our membership.
As we have reported previously, a major challenge still facing the organisation is memberships lapsing due to the expiry of credit cards. Again, we would ask that members check their Club 1872 emails carefully and regularly as we always email members to inform them of expired cards. We will be focussing on guiding new members to Direct Debit signup once the new website launches and hope this will improve retention levels.
As always, we would ask members to help us grow the organisation by encouraging friends, family and work colleagues to join Club 1872.
Member Engagement
With all football being played behind closed doors, we have been unable to maintain a match day presence to engage with supporters around the stadium grounds. Our office at Copland House is not yet open to members, but our volunteers and admin assistant are available to answer questions via email or by telephone by appointment. Please contact us at info@club1872.co.uk if you would like to speak with us about any of our ongoing plans and activities.
In accordance with the recently approved Club 1872 Shares CIC Articles of Association, Club 1872 will hold an annual members meeting. Unfortunately this year’s meeting has

not taken place due to lockdown restrictions and we are as yet unsure as to when we may be able to schedule it. We are currently assessing a number of options and will keep members updated as things return to some sort of normality and large gatherings are once again permitted.
CLUB ENGAGEMENT
As we have outlined in previous updates, in recent months our engagement with the club has focused mainly on issues relating to their partnership with Castore. In August we wrote to both Rangers and Castore with a series of questions which focused on the well publicised concerns around the quality of some items, pre-order delivery delays and cancellations, the returns policy and the difference between the Rangers and Castore websites in that regard. We also asked for clarification on the decision to move forward the opening of the Rangers Store by several weeks, despite it appearing that stock levels were not sufficient to complete all pre-orders at that time.
At the time of writing this report, we have received no answers to those questions from either Castore or Rangers.
CAMPAIGNS
Parking Restrictions at Ibrox
Club 1872 has continued to liaise with Rangers and supporters on Glasgow City Council’s parking proposals, and in March our volunteers attended the pre-hearing meeting organised to present our concerns and objections. In July we received an update from GCC which stated that consideration was being given to the suspension of procedures for a period of six months. We have had no further updates.
Daily Record
A number of members contacted Club 1872 in August to express shock and disappointment that Rangers had entered into a commercial agreement with Reach Plc, which owns the Daily Record and Sunday Mail. Club 1872 made its position on Reach very clear following their involvement in our recently upheld IPSO complaint against the Daily Record/Sunday Mail, and the club is very much aware of this position.
https://club1872.co.uk/news/club-1872-wins-ipso-complaint-against-daily-record-and- sunday-mail/
Fantastic Fanatics
We recently announced a new partnership with Fantastic Fanatics which allows our members and the wider Rangers family to support Club 1872 through their online, and in due course in-store, purchases at no cost to them.
All funds raised through Fantastic Fanatics will be received by Club 1872 Ltd and used to grow our membership through advertising, events and promotional materials as well as assist with running costs.

As part of our agreement with Fantastic Fanatics, and at our request, all retailers that we are aware are associated with Mike Ashley have been removed from the Club 1872 retailers page.
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Since our last update, Club 1872 volunteers and admin assistant have replied to over 600 emails from members, and have sent 6 mass emails to update members on our ongoing activities. We have gained more than 1000 new followers on Instagram and have reached over 100,000 people via our Facebook page. We would encourage all members who have Instagram accounts to follow us at instagram.com/club1872rfc/ as this will help us increase functionality on our account.
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High Society

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And there, perhaps, is the issue. C1872 brought together two organisations with differing ethos (and indeed the fact we had two was brought about partially because of that IIRC). RST always had a campaigning element as well as the share ownership element, where as Rangers First seemed solely concerned with share ownership.
correct, The RST was formed to buy shares and act as critical voice on behalf of the supporters. The RST were questioning SDM and the way the club was being run. They were vilified for it for many years until it became apparent they’d been correct all along.

RF was a breakaway formed by people who wanted Fan Ownership and some of the leaders actually aspired to running the club.
Even after DK and the 3 Bears were in control these guys were trying to borrow £4m pounds to get a seat on the Board.

C1872 created one major supporters shareholder group and should have put an end to the type of nonsense we’re seeing now. It can still do that but it will need an EGM to clear the air and get new Directors on their board.
 

Robert Marshall

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Do we really need to go into this after all these years?
Rangers First was formed for all the right reasons, we were warned about two guys in particular, at the time I told Mark that I wasn't present at any of these meetings so I couldn't confirm what was said or what happened.

But forewarned I was always dubious of anything they proposed. At one time they had a meeting with one of the previous regimes and falsely said they were representing RF, they were left in no doubt they didn't speak for RF and they would never be allowed to organise any meetings with them there unless they were part of a group.

The incident you are referring to was later on when two of the newly formed committee went behind everyone's back, had lunch at Argyle House to plot to borrow £500K to put one of them on the Board of the Club, the very definition of delusional.

They were told in no uncertain language to offer their resignations, which they promptly did.

We had a few really good guys in RF but the 3 Rangers fans that drove it on were James Blair, Greg Marshall, and myself.
we spent two years of our life and our own money on that project and I'm still very proud of what we achieved.
RF was, certainly from our point of view, was never about replacing the RST, and never once did any of us three criticise
or sad anything derogatory about RST or any other group of Rangers fans.

Our fans have a great vehicle in Club 1872, but unfortunately, it is now obvious that a lot of the trust and goodwill has gone.
We need an AGM with immediate effect
To use COVID as an excuse is nonsense, we haven't had an EGM in three years.
It was a few years ago but that's how I remember it
 

supersonic

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Do we really need to go into this after all these years?
Rangers First was formed for all the right reasons, we were warned about two guys in particular, at the time I told Mark that I wasn't present at any of these meetings so I couldn't confirm what was said or what happened.

But forewarned I was always dubious of anything they proposed. At one time they had a meeting with one of the previous regimes and falsely said they were representing RF, they were left in no doubt they didn't speak for RF and they would never be allowed to organise any meetings with them there unless they were part of a group.

The incident you are referring to was later on when two of the newly formed committee went behind everyone's back, had lunch at Argyle House to plot to borrow £500K to put one of them on the Board of the Club, the very definition of delusional.

They were told in no uncertain language to offer their resignations, which they promptly did.

We had a few really good guys in RF but the 3 Rangers fans that drove it on were James Blair, Greg Marshall, and myself.
we spent two years of our life and our own money on that project and I'm still very proud of what we achieved.
RF was, certainly from our point of view, was never about replacing the RST, and never once did any of us three criticise
or sad anything derogatory about RST or any other group of Rangers fans.

Our fans have a great vehicle in Club 1872, but unfortunately, it is now obvious that a lot of the trust and goodwill has gone.
We need an AGM with immediate effect
To use COVID as an excuse is nonsense, we haven't had an EGM in three years.
It was a few years ago but that's how I remember it
so in short is %^*& all happening at club 1872? sadly i don't think it will ever work unless someone independently chairs the meetings and insists on new elections and some safe guards in place to make sure that no one director assumes too much control
 

Robert Marshall

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so in short is %^*& all happening at club 1872? sadly i don't think it will ever work unless someone independently chairs the meetings and insists on new elections and some safe guards in place to make sure that no one director assumes too much control
The only way to change things is for anyone concerned to take a minute and email them asking for an EGM
After all 1872 Directors are there to serve the Members not the other way about
 

Robert Marshall

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Friends of yours running C1872 and your son as SLO would be a great scenario for at least one Rangers fan.
Can you explain why me having friends on the Board of 1872 be 'a great scenario' for me apart from knowing the good guys would be transparent? I am assuming you are directing that to me?
 

High Society

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Do we really need to go into this after all these years?
Rangers First was formed for all the right reasons, we were warned about two guys in particular, at the time I told Mark that I wasn't present at any of these meetings so I couldn't confirm what was said or what happened.

But forewarned I was always dubious of anything they proposed. At one time they had a meeting with one of the previous regimes and falsely said they were representing RF, they were left in no doubt they didn't speak for RF and they would never be allowed to organise any meetings with them there unless they were part of a group.

The incident you are referring to was later on when two of the newly formed committee went behind everyone's back, had lunch at Argyle House to plot to borrow £500K to put one of them on the Board of the Club, the very definition of delusional.

They were told in no uncertain language to offer their resignations, which they promptly did.

We had a few really good guys in RF but the 3 Rangers fans that drove it on were James Blair, Greg Marshall, and myself.
we spent two years of our life and our own money on that project and I'm still very proud of what we achieved.
RF was, certainly from our point of view, was never about replacing the RST, and never once did any of us three criticise
or sad anything derogatory about RST or any other group of Rangers fans.

Our fans have a great vehicle in Club 1872, but unfortunately, it is now obvious that a lot of the trust and goodwill has gone.
We need an AGM with immediate effect
To use COVID as an excuse is nonsense, we haven't had an EGM in three years.
It was a few years ago but that's how I remember it
I didn’t raise it Robert but others did and I won’t accept misinformation just blandly being accepted.
Thanks for letting us know that you knew there were a couple of dubious characters involved
 

Southsideblueblood

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Thankfully I'm not a member. Their update is an awful lot of words to say we are doing eff all. A strong fans group during covid would be active in community help, out reach programmes etc. It would also be active in plans for fans to return and lobbying. Just to name a few obvious points.
Abject.
 

sneddon38

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Personally they need transparency. I would love to know the exact number of members there org has. I always see 7000 being floated about but I really can’t see that number still being there.
 

ahalfallover

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Thankfully I'm not a member. Their update is an awful lot of words to say we are doing eff all. A strong fans group during covid would be active in community help, out reach programmes etc. It would also be active in plans for fans to return and lobbying. Just to name a few obvious points.
Abject.
ever get the feeling its weird they have their own office in Ibrox and sponsorship on the stands ?
 

EndOfDays

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Thankfully I'm not a member. Their update is an awful lot of words to say we are doing eff all. A strong fans group during covid would be active in community help, out reach programmes etc. It would also be active in plans for fans to return and lobbying. Just to name a few obvious points.
Abject.
For a lot of people (me included) they are a share buying vehicle to allow fans to own the club and influence it from the inside not the outside.
 

Southsideblueblood

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For a lot of people (me included) they are a share buying vehicle to allow fans to own the club and influence it from the inside not the outside.
The club thinks that much of them it doesn't even consult them on serious kit issues despite being a major shareholder. They were a source of cash and nothing else. A familiar feeling for a fan of our team. They have zero meaningful influence. What I don't know is if they were run well , whether that would change.
 

blue genes

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The club thinks that much of them it doesn't even consult them on serious kit issues despite being a major shareholder. They were a source of cash and nothing else. A familiar feeling for a fan of our team. They have zero meaningful influence. What I don't know is if they were run well , whether that would change.
Yeah, that was a surprise to me, a real body blow, and quite telling IMO.

Is it possible the Club aren't impressed with the leadership? Or would they be acting this way irrespective of the leadership? I honestly have no idea, but there's clearly a breakdown in the relationship - the big question is why?
 

High Society

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The club thinks that much of them it doesn't even consult them on serious kit issues despite being a major shareholder. They were a source of cash and nothing else. A familiar feeling for a fan of our team. They have zero meaningful influence. What I don't know is if they were run well , whether that would change.
Anyone who believes that the club hasn’t spoken to C1872 about Castore is mistaken. There’s no way that the club ignored them. As for not responding to letters.....why do they need to communicate by letter when they’re in touch with the club direct.
as I said right at the start of this thread, somethings seriously wrong at C1872 and to say that they don’t need the 2 Directors who resigned is an insult to everyone who voted for them
 

bluestreak

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Personally they need transparency. I would love to know the exact number of members there org has. I always see 7000 being floated about but I really can’t see that number still being there.
Number of DDs is the best figure, I paid £500 for life membership then after the merger I stopped my monthly contribution, so I am a member but no cash going in.
 

Robert Marshall

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I didn’t raise it Robert but others did and I won’t accept misinformation just blandly being accepted.
Thanks for letting us know that you knew there were a couple of dubious characters involved
To be fair to Mark he warned me right away about them, but you need to give them the benefit of the doubt,
When they stood for election for the first RF board, I called them out publicly. I am, not everyone's cup of tea but I will always stick up for our fans as long do not have a personal agenda
 

D'Art

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Anyone who believes that the club hasn’t spoken to C1872 about Castore is mistaken. There’s no way that the club ignored them. As for not responding to letters.....why do they need to communicate by letter when they’re in touch with the club direct.
as I said right at the start of this thread, somethings seriously wrong at C1872 and to say that they don’t need the 2 Directors who resigned is an insult to everyone who voted for them
Just a thought, but perhaps its done by letter so that they have a written record or audit trail of previous communications
 

macdonut

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ignoring the irritating posts alluding to issues but not stating what they are, there does seem to be a lack of corporate governance with C1872. The resigned directors need to be replaced and there needs to be an AGM.

Also, the website is not accepting new members or taking donations and hasn’t for a while. That is not acceptable. Membership is the bread and butter of the organisation and no web change should have been allowed to go live if it impacted new signups. Even then, they should have a well publicised manual process to make sure donations and memberships aren’t impacted.
 

Strickland Banks

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I actually despair reading some of this pish.

When you consider what the club has gone through in last 10-years or so, and the number of enemies and external battles we have and still do face, the last thing we need is in-fighting.

During the worst days, the vast majority of fans united, with the exception of a few spiv stooges, but now it looks like people have forgotten that strength in unity is the biggest strength we have,

Been far too much of this recently, 4LHAD stepping back, Club failing to respond to C1872 about Castore issues, Directors resigning from C1872 and keyboard bickering.

People have very short memories, and I think the club need to help here and show more leadership.

The loyalty and support shown by the fans for Season Tickets' MyGers, New Kits, RTV etc has been incredible and all fans deserve respect and cannot be taken for granted. There is also a responsibility on C1872 and fan groups to work together on common ground.

We wouldn't tolerate constant infighting in the dressing room / boardroom as we always know that nobody is bigger than the club, so this should apply to fans and privileged influential fan media.

Sort this shit out.

United we stand divided we fall.
 

Midfield General

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I actually despair reading some of this pish.

When you consider what the club has gone through in last 10-years or so, and the number of enemies and external battles we have and still do face, the last thing we need is in-fighting.

During the worst days, the vast majority of fans united, with the exception of a few spiv stooges, but now it looks like people have forgotten that strength in unity is the biggest strength we have,

Been far too much of this recently, 4LHAD stepping back, Club failing to respond to C1872 about Castore issues, Directors resigning from C1872 and keyboard bickering.

People have very short memories, and I think the club need to help here and show more leadership.

The loyalty and support shown by the fans for Season Tickets' MyGers, New Kits, RTV etc has been incredible and all fans deserve respect and cannot be taken for granted. There is also a responsibility on C1872 and fan groups to work together on common ground.

We wouldn't tolerate constant infighting in the dressing room / boardroom as we always know that nobody is bigger than the club, so this should apply to fans and privileged influential fan media.

Sort this shit out.

United we stand divided we fall.
You are spot on ,there was a pretty heated thread on this yesterday containing a lot of information/misinformation depending on your point of view.
IMO first and foremost Club1872 should be a vehicle for acquiring shares so we never fall in to the hands of spiv scum again.Whatever the issues are them they need sorted out and fast.
 

Valley Bluenose

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This having office's in the club etc does more harm than good. Club1872 was set up to give shareholders a voice. That voice could wield more power by not operating from inside Ibrox and being as cosy with the board.
They are so ‘cosy ’ with the Club Board that the Club Board chose to ignore their complaint about Castore, forcing Club1872 to make that lack of response public? Sounds like they are in their pocket right enough.
 

The Blue Sea

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Would it be fair to say Chris Graham was given a paid role with the club albeit on a consultancy basis by Dave King as a parachute to his unfortunate removal from the board - and his role is really to run Club 1872 but as an un-elected board member. And its this that seems to upset and frustrate newly elected board members ?

With King now away CG is maybe not feeling the love from RFC that he once was ?

Seems this is constantly hinted at and alluded to but for some reason no one wants to come out and say it
 

Paisleyprod

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Three clubs mate!
This nonsense needs to stop.

This appears to be about governance not folk wanting or starting a new organisation.

Its also insulting to the people who run supporters clubs and groups as it is no doubt a thankless task

There are obviously a handful of bad apples more interested in their own interests and egos but they become obvious and best ignored.
 

The Spaniard

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This nonsense needs to stop.

This appears to be about governance not folk wanting or starting a new organisation.

Its also insulting to the people who run supporters clubs and groups as it is no doubt a thankless task

There are obviously a handful of bad apples more interested in their own interests and egos but they become obvious and best ignored.
Thankless task? There’s guys who pay their mortgages off the busses and others who automatically get a ticket for every game. They’re not building a school in Malawi.

Lets face it, it’s not just a Rangers thing. People like power and having their ideas heard. It’s always the same faces around these fan ventures as well which should raise questions immediately.
 

The Spaniard

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Would it be fair to say Chris Graham was given a paid role with the club albeit on a consultancy basis by Dave King as a parachute to his unfortunate removal from the board - and his role is really to run Club 1872 but as an un-elected board member. And its this that seems to upset and frustrate newly elected board members ?

With King now away CG is maybe not feeling the love from RFC that he once was ?

Seems this is constantly hinted at and alluded to but for some reason no one wants to come out and say it
Thanks for the explanation. So many posts have been deleted on this, it’s been hard to work out what’s been going on.
 

Paisleyprod

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Thankless task? There’s guys who pay their mortgages off the busses and others who automatically get a ticket for every game. They’re not building a school in Malawi.

Lets face it, it’s not just a Rangers thing. People like power and having their ideas heard. It’s always the same faces around these fan ventures as well which should raise questions immediately.
It could be a combination of the ego folk but also some genuine folk as not that many actually apply for the roles.

As for running buses. The ones I've went on, the people running them do it, put in a lot of time and effort and don't make a penny.

If folk are coining it in off their members then surely the members need to say something but that's not anything I'm aware of.
 
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