Blue Goose
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Football isn't even secondary to what is going on at the moment. Void everything and tell TV companies that if they start claiming money back then they will go to somewhere else for tv rights.
Thanks for posting. One section been taken out of context on Twitter. It’s clear UEFA want the football played in full and this is to discourage actions at this stage that do not explore that option in the fullest. If no football has been played come July and void options have to be made in leagues then UEFA will accept that!.Full statement, apologies if already posted:
Dear member associations, Dear member leagues, Dear member clubs,
The current health crisis caused by the spread of covid-19 has no precedents in our society and, on top of the threat posed to public health, which is the uncontested number one priority, it has dramatically hit all industries and economic sectors. Football is no exception and since several weeks now all our competitions, both at domestic and European level, have been forced to suspension.
In such a serious scenario, European football has nonetheless been capable of reacting as one united family. The common standpoint struck on 17 March by UEFA, the European Club Association and the European Leagues was that every effort had to be made in order to allow all domestic and European competitions to be concluded in compliance with their formats. It is of paramount importance that even a disruptive event like this epidemic does not prevent our competitions from being decided on the field, in accordance with their rules and that all sporting titles are awarded on the basis of results. As responsible leaders in our sport, this is what we must ensure, until the last possibility exists and whilst planning, operational and regulatory solutions are available.
We walk united in the awareness that only an extraordinary coordinated effort of all competition organisers can help European football out of the crisis, recovering in full its core asset, the competitions. With no unity and no solidarity, nobody will be able to get out of the crisis as we are all interdependent.
Such commitment has taken concrete shape in two joint working groups established to deal with calendar options as well as with the legal, regulatory and financial consequences of a potential calendar overstretch that would make the 2019/20 competitions spill over 30 June.
The working groups have held several meetings and are in daily contact to ensure that the overriding objective of taking all competitions to their natural end is met. In order to achieve it, concrete plans are being drawn up. Their work is now focusing on scenarios encompassing the months of July and August, including the possibility that the UEFA competitions restart after the completion of domestic leagues. A joint management of calendars is strictly required as the conclusion of the current season must be coordinated with the start of the new one, which may be partly impacted because of the overstretch.
Closely following the development of the current situation, the calendar working group will indicate as soon as possible, and ideally by mid-May, which of the plans can be enacted for the completion of the season without leaving anyone behind. Stopping competitions should really be the last resort after acknowledging that no calendar alternative would allow to conclude the season.
Nyon, 2 April 2020,
1
We are confident that football can restart in the months to come – with conditions that will be dictated by public authorities - and believe that any decision of abandoning domestic competitions is, at this stage, premature and not justified. Since participation in UEFA club competitions is determined by the sporting result achieved at the end of a full domestic competition, a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition. UEFA reserves the right to assess the entitlement of clubs to be admitted to the 2020/21 UEFA club competitions, in accordance with the relevant applicable competition regulations.
We know how much you share with us the core values of our sport and feel your support in our mission to protect the integrity of its competitions. We call on all and everyone to loyally back our joint endeavours in the collective interest of European football and trust your representatives in the working group.
With our gratitude, yours sincerely.
Aleksander Čeferin Andrea Agnelli Lars-Christer Olsson UEFA President ECA Chairman EL President
2
I read this as very positive from the perspective of no titles being ‘gifted’ mid season.
Back in 2005 when unique circumstances forced a choice between Everton and Liverpool UEFA were unable to prevent the former being nominated. Liverpool were then given special dispensation to enter anyway.
Easy Peasy. Set up a breakaway European competition and tell UEFA to shove their elitist, money-grabbing set up where the sun don’t shine.
Easy Peasy. Set up a breakaway European competition and tell UEFA to shove their elitist, money-grabbing set up where the sun don’t shine.
Its also saying without playing all the league games you wont get european places.
Op Headline doesn’t really match the quote.
The quote states full domestic competition so that would intimate that awarding championships early would also threaten European qualification.
The fact is that they don't actually say that voiding the season will mean no European football next season. UEFA make no mention of voiding leagues.
What UEFA say is that participation is determined by the results at the end of a full domestic competition and a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition.
This could apply if the league is declared void but could also be applicable if a league (like the Belgians) is terminated early and winners/losers announced by the relevant Association.
They are also very careful to say that it would "cast doubt" as opposed to saying that it would mean the requirement couldn't be met and, as such, they would exclude such countries from participating in Europe the following year. They clearly don't want to fully commit and then have to back track when the German, Italian or Spanish league doesn't actually finish.
They want to pressgang the various leagues into finding away to complete their outstanding fixtures so that their premier tournaments can be resumed and the cash-cow continue.
Football really is not coming across well just now.
That doesn't fit the agenda of the rhags though mate.
We certainly doI’ve created a thread with the correct title and Rangers standpoint.
We need to stop giving credence to this shower and their deliberate drip drip drip narrative massaging stuff akin to 2012
Yes, the sfa nominate the teams to play in Europe.Surely it’s the SFA that nominates the teams as qualified for European competitions, like when Motherwell took Rangers position. We merely agree that last year's standings are carried forward. However there are no qualifiers required for those that remain in the competition this season.
Simple. Legally sound.
I’ve said this in a lot threads.Well they’ll need to sort out the CL and EL places from this season first.
No?
Absolute fucking nonsense. Italy and Spain are the worst affected countries in Europe. They will be forced to void their seasons. Is Robert fucking Grieve attempting to tell me that UEFA would not have any Italian or Spanish sides competing in European competition next season?
This is pretty clear -Full statement, apologies if already posted:
Dear member associations, Dear member leagues, Dear member clubs,
The current health crisis caused by the spread of covid-19 has no precedents in our society and, on top of the threat posed to public health, which is the uncontested number one priority, it has dramatically hit all industries and economic sectors. Football is no exception and since several weeks now all our competitions, both at domestic and European level, have been forced to suspension.
In such a serious scenario, European football has nonetheless been capable of reacting as one united family. The common standpoint struck on 17 March by UEFA, the European Club Association and the European Leagues was that every effort had to be made in order to allow all domestic and European competitions to be concluded in compliance with their formats. It is of paramount importance that even a disruptive event like this epidemic does not prevent our competitions from being decided on the field, in accordance with their rules and that all sporting titles are awarded on the basis of results. As responsible leaders in our sport, this is what we must ensure, until the last possibility exists and whilst planning, operational and regulatory solutions are available.
We walk united in the awareness that only an extraordinary coordinated effort of all competition organisers can help European football out of the crisis, recovering in full its core asset, the competitions. With no unity and no solidarity, nobody will be able to get out of the crisis as we are all interdependent.
Such commitment has taken concrete shape in two joint working groups established to deal with calendar options as well as with the legal, regulatory and financial consequences of a potential calendar overstretch that would make the 2019/20 competitions spill over 30 June.
The working groups have held several meetings and are in daily contact to ensure that the overriding objective of taking all competitions to their natural end is met. In order to achieve it, concrete plans are being drawn up. Their work is now focusing on scenarios encompassing the months of July and August, including the possibility that the UEFA competitions restart after the completion of domestic leagues. A joint management of calendars is strictly required as the conclusion of the current season must be coordinated with the start of the new one, which may be partly impacted because of the overstretch.
Closely following the development of the current situation, the calendar working group will indicate as soon as possible, and ideally by mid-May, which of the plans can be enacted for the completion of the season without leaving anyone behind. Stopping competitions should really be the last resort after acknowledging that no calendar alternative would allow to conclude the season.
Nyon, 2 April 2020,
1
We are confident that football can restart in the months to come – with conditions that will be dictated by public authorities - and believe that any decision of abandoning domestic competitions is, at this stage, premature and not justified. Since participation in UEFA club competitions is determined by the sporting result achieved at the end of a full domestic competition, a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition. UEFA reserves the right to assess the entitlement of clubs to be admitted to the 2020/21 UEFA club competitions, in accordance with the relevant applicable competition regulations.
We know how much you share with us the core values of our sport and feel your support in our mission to protect the integrity of its competitions. We call on all and everyone to loyally back our joint endeavours in the collective interest of European football and trust your representatives in the working group.
With our gratitude, yours sincerely.
Aleksander Čeferin Andrea Agnelli Lars-Christer Olsson UEFA President ECA Chairman EL President
2
I read this as very positive from the perspective of no titles being ‘gifted’ mid season.
Yes, the sfa nominate the teams to play in Europe.
we all recognise it as the teams finishing in an order after a season finishes.
the sfa can nominate sides now if they wish still based on order, the league doesn’t have to be complete to do this.
Surely it’s the SFA that nominates the teams as qualified for European competitions, like when Motherwell took Rangers position. We merely agree that last year's standings are carried forward. However there are no qualifiers required for those that remain in the competition this season.
Simple. Legally sound.
Full statement, apologies if already posted:
Dear member associations, Dear member leagues, Dear member clubs,
The current health crisis caused by the spread of covid-19 has no precedents in our society and, on top of the threat posed to public health, which is the uncontested number one priority, it has dramatically hit all industries and economic sectors. Football is no exception and since several weeks now all our competitions, both at domestic and European level, have been forced to suspension.
In such a serious scenario, European football has nonetheless been capable of reacting as one united family. The common standpoint struck on 17 March by UEFA, the European Club Association and the European Leagues was that every effort had to be made in order to allow all domestic and European competitions to be concluded in compliance with their formats. It is of paramount importance that even a disruptive event like this epidemic does not prevent our competitions from being decided on the field, in accordance with their rules and that all sporting titles are awarded on the basis of results. As responsible leaders in our sport, this is what we must ensure, until the last possibility exists and whilst planning, operational and regulatory solutions are available.
We walk united in the awareness that only an extraordinary coordinated effort of all competition organisers can help European football out of the crisis, recovering in full its core asset, the competitions. With no unity and no solidarity, nobody will be able to get out of the crisis as we are all interdependent.
Such commitment has taken concrete shape in two joint working groups established to deal with calendar options as well as with the legal, regulatory and financial consequences of a potential calendar overstretch that would make the 2019/20 competitions spill over 30 June.
The working groups have held several meetings and are in daily contact to ensure that the overriding objective of taking all competitions to their natural end is met. In order to achieve it, concrete plans are being drawn up. Their work is now focusing on scenarios encompassing the months of July and August, including the possibility that the UEFA competitions restart after the completion of domestic leagues. A joint management of calendars is strictly required as the conclusion of the current season must be coordinated with the start of the new one, which may be partly impacted because of the overstretch.
Closely following the development of the current situation, the calendar working group will indicate as soon as possible, and ideally by mid-May, which of the plans can be enacted for the completion of the season without leaving anyone behind. Stopping competitions should really be the last resort after acknowledging that no calendar alternative would allow to conclude the season.
Nyon, 2 April 2020,
1
We are confident that football can restart in the months to come – with conditions that will be dictated by public authorities - and believe that any decision of abandoning domestic competitions is, at this stage, premature and not justified. Since participation in UEFA club competitions is determined by the sporting result achieved at the end of a full domestic competition, a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition. UEFA reserves the right to assess the entitlement of clubs to be admitted to the 2020/21 UEFA club competitions, in accordance with the relevant applicable competition regulations.
We know how much you share with us the core values of our sport and feel your support in our mission to protect the integrity of its competitions. We call on all and everyone to loyally back our joint endeavours in the collective interest of European football and trust your representatives in the working group.
With our gratitude, yours sincerely.
Aleksander Čeferin Andrea Agnelli Lars-Christer Olsson UEFA President ECA Chairman EL President
2
I read this as very positive from the perspective of no titles being ‘gifted’ mid season.
This is definitely official correspondence between UEFA and Rangers.
This poster has some solid sources at the club.
I think this is UEFA covering their back for instances where leagues are declared, either in favour of current standings of null and void where there are European positions available that aren't mathematically guaranteed. It would be wrong for them to allow teams to play in the Euro competitions that haven't met the requirements.The fact is that they don't actually say that voiding the season will mean no European football next season. UEFA make no mention of voiding leagues.
What UEFA say is that participation is determined by the results at the end of a full domestic competition and a premature termination would cast doubts about the fulfilment of such condition.
This could apply if the league is declared void but could also be applicable if a league (like the Belgians) is terminated early and winners/losers announced by the relevant Association.
They are also very careful to say that it would "cast doubt" as opposed to saying that it would mean the requirement couldn't be met and, as such, they would exclude such countries from participating in Europe the following year. They clearly don't want to fully commit and then have to back track when the German, Italian or Spanish league doesn't actually finish.
They want to pressgang the various leagues into finding away to complete their outstanding fixtures so that their premier tournaments can be resumed and the cash-cow continue.
Football really is not coming across well just now.
Anything from the horses mounts yet? You know, UEFA themselves?
Its a leaked letter than has been published in the media @MearnsUnionist . Firstly overseas as I understand it. The poster may have obtained a copy from Rangers but I don't think he's claiming that. The important point is that the info therein is 100% genuine.
Anything from the horses mounts yet? You know, UEFA themselves?
It would, indeed, be wrong but if there is European football next year then what option do they have if none of the leagues, or very few of them, actually get played to a completion. They certainly won't exclude the Italians, Spanish or German teams.I think this is UEFA covering their back for instances where leagues are declared, either in favour of current standings of null and void where there are European positions available that aren't mathematically guaranteed. It would be wrong for them to allow teams to play in the Euro competitions that haven't met the requirements.
Transcript of the UEFA letter is in post #39 mate.
Cheers guysPost #39 mate.
as long as the have a licence to play.But do UEFA have to accept those nominations? Its their tournament after all. FWIW I think they probably would accept any national nominations - Motherwell were nominated instead of us in 2012 despite only finishing third - but if they didn't it would be 'fun' to watch the chaos that would ensue.