surprised Fare get anything right not everything right , they have a agenda against our club ,the UBs section was the one reported by FARE.
Are there any other clubs that they report to UEFA
surprised Fare get anything right not everything right , they have a agenda against our club ,the UBs section was the one reported by FARE.
In my opinion all supporters groups should be sitting down and talking and deciding on a strategy going forward ,we need anyone with any influence getting the message out these songs are damaging Rangers and Rangers alone we can't blame anyone else it is our problem and only we can sort it out for our own good because UEFA have their sights firmly fixed on us and their solution won't be with Rangers best interests at heart .I'm not sure how you can have a balanced opinion on the OP when you've admitted you stopped reading after a few paragraphs.
Why not try to read the entire OP and then make your points?
No mate.Can i ask if you are in the UB
The club need to ask about their agenda based on numerous pieces of evidence i and many other posters sent them in 2011 on this very board. At that time we where high fived and congratulated for taking alot of time out to challenge them
Via emails and correspondence etc.
Whats changed ?how many incidents have the filth across the city been involved in with alot more video evidence available? We have been out of Europe during the years in the lower leagues and after going after out songs then , its now our fan group who spur the team on home and away.
People need to waken up and remember this is still the same piara powers FARE from 2011 . “ They havent gone away you know “.
I don't think it's the point he was making, but it does inadvertently point out that Rangers existed before the UB and will exist after them. We stamped out the song before and can do it again.What’s your point here?
They staged a protest, as is their right, but you describe it as a "huff". That's disrespectful and, dare I say it, immature.
Dont forget the UB are fans like you and me. They work hard to create an atmosphere while others do nothing. If they walk away Ibrox will be dead. That might suit some.
Perhaps if the guy with the megaphone or those that are members on here had even chosen to take up many of the decent suggestions that have been made on here for alternative chants we would have had a far greater assortment of Rangers songs and little need for the UVF or FTP ditties.As things stand, I'm of the opinion that the Union Bears are finished as a fans' group.
I think that the only way back for them would be if they were to work hand in hand with the club and lead the efforts to promote non-offensive songs at Ibrox and at away games.
Now, it's not for me to tell this group what to do as I'm not and never have been a member – but, if I was, I'd be approaching the club in an apologetic manner and asking what the group can do to work with the club in an effort to help educate our wider support – and safeguard the future of the Union Bears.
Just like they do with the offensive songs the Union Bears start, the rest of the ground would follow the Union Bears' lead if they started singing only acceptable songs.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the club didn't just disband the Union Bears anyway – that's why it is, for me, imperative that the fans' group seize the initiative here to 1) lead the efforts to promote acceptable singing and 2) safeguard the future of their group and improve their relationship with the club.
Sadly, however, I think the Union Bears will take the huff again and have their silent protests etc, particularly with their section being singled out by the club over recent events with the UEFA charges.
So, instead of the fans' group – and the club – being proactive, I think that, one way or another, the Union Bears are finished.
I truly hope it doesn't come to this because there is much to admire about the Union Bears, but they need to accept criticism when it's merited – which it most definitely is in this case.
Are they collectively mature enough to recognise this, though?
I'd like to think we all – the club, the Union Bears, and the wider support – want the same thing: an
Ibrox with the world-renowned atmosphere that we're known for across the globe, but an Ibrox with a support who no longer sings the songs that will eventually lead us to being banned from Europe completely.
And, make no mistake, we will be banned from Europe if this continues.
Steven Gerrard will walk if that happens.
There's no way our manager will want to be at a Rangers who are banned from Europe – and there's no way he'll want his brand associated with a club who are banned from Europe because of what is deemed to be racist behaviour.
This would give Celtic a free run at the Champions League and effectively render us unable to meaningfully compete.
Doomsday scenario?
No, it's not.
It is a stark fact that we will be kicked out of Europe if we don't change as a support.
I'd be interested to know the thoughts of posters on this board who are members of the Union Bears, and, of course, also hear from posters who aren't members of the group.
Spot on mate couldn’t have put it any better.As things stand, I'm of the opinion that the Union Bears are finished as a fans' group.
I think that the only way back for them would be if they were to work hand in hand with the club and lead the efforts to promote non-offensive songs at Ibrox and at away games.
Now, it's not for me to tell this group what to do as I'm not and never have been a member – but, if I was, I'd be approaching the club in an apologetic manner and asking what the group can do to work with the club in an effort to help educate our wider support – and safeguard the future of the Union Bears.
Just like they do with the offensive songs the Union Bears start, the rest of the ground would follow the Union Bears' lead if they started singing only acceptable songs.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the club didn't just disband the Union Bears anyway – that's why it is, for me, imperative that the fans' group seize the initiative here to 1) lead the efforts to promote acceptable singing and 2) safeguard the future of their group and improve their relationship with the club.
Sadly, however, I think the Union Bears will take the huff again and have their silent protests etc, particularly with their section being singled out by the club over recent events with the UEFA charges.
So, instead of the fans' group – and the club – being proactive, I think that, one way or another, the Union Bears are finished.
I truly hope it doesn't come to this because there is much to admire about the Union Bears, but they need to accept criticism when it's merited – which it most definitely is in this case.
Are they collectively mature enough to recognise this, though?
I'd like to think we all – the club, the Union Bears, and the wider support – want the same thing: an
Ibrox with the world-renowned atmosphere that we're known for across the globe, but an Ibrox with a support who no longer sings the songs that will eventually lead us to being banned from Europe completely.
And, make no mistake, we will be banned from Europe if this continues.
Steven Gerrard will walk if that happens.
There's no way our manager will want to be at a Rangers who are banned from Europe – and there's no way he'll want his brand associated with a club who are banned from Europe because of what is deemed to be racist behaviour.
This would give Celtic a free run at the Champions League and effectively render us unable to meaningfully compete.
Doomsday scenario?
No, it's not.
It is a stark fact that we will be kicked out of Europe if we don't change as a support.
I'd be interested to know the thoughts of posters on this board who are members of the Union Bears, and, of course, also hear from posters who aren't members of the group.
As I see it someone has to carry the can for all this and UEFA have told rangers to get it sorted . The UB are the scapegoat and for me it’s not just the singing . It’s the smokebombs , the “ look at us “ attitude . At rugby park had young ones ( I strongly suspect they were part of UB), ran on the park and jumped on the disabled roof . Now had they not done that we would have won the moral high ground and with regards to the ticket shambles and the crushing , we would’ve hung Kilmarnock out to dry . Because of what else happened we were painted as the bad guys . Yes I sing TBB, yes I sing them all . But when I sing them in my seat nobody from Fare knows it’s me . The UB have basically made themselves a target and so they’ve got to go . As a support we survived before them and we”ll survive after them.As things stand, I'm of the opinion that the Union Bears are finished as a fans' group.
I think that the only way back for them would be if they were to work hand in hand with the club and lead the efforts to promote non-offensive songs at Ibrox and at away games.
Now, it's not for me to tell this group what to do as I'm not and never have been a member – but, if I was, I'd be approaching the club in an apologetic manner and asking what the group can do to work with the club in an effort to help educate our wider support – and safeguard the future of the Union Bears.
Just like they do with the offensive songs the Union Bears start, the rest of the ground would follow the Union Bears' lead if they started singing only acceptable songs.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the club didn't just disband the Union Bears anyway – that's why it is, for me, imperative that the fans' group seize the initiative here to 1) lead the efforts to promote acceptable singing and 2) safeguard the future of their group and improve their relationship with the club.
Sadly, however, I think the Union Bears will take the huff again and have their silent protests etc, particularly with their section being singled out by the club over recent events with the UEFA charges.
So, instead of the fans' group – and the club – being proactive, I think that, one way or another, the Union Bears are finished.
I truly hope it doesn't come to this because there is much to admire about the Union Bears, but they need to accept criticism when it's merited – which it most definitely is in this case.
Are they collectively mature enough to recognise this, though?
I'd like to think we all – the club, the Union Bears, and the wider support – want the same thing: an
Ibrox with the world-renowned atmosphere that we're known for across the globe, but an Ibrox with a support who no longer sings the songs that will eventually lead us to being banned from Europe completely.
And, make no mistake, we will be banned from Europe if this continues.
Steven Gerrard will walk if that happens.
There's no way our manager will want to be at a Rangers who are banned from Europe – and there's no way he'll want his brand associated with a club who are banned from Europe because of what is deemed to be racist behaviour.
This would give Celtic a free run at the Champions League and effectively render us unable to meaningfully compete.
Doomsday scenario?
No, it's not.
It is a stark fact that we will be kicked out of Europe if we don't change as a support.
I'd be interested to know the thoughts of posters on this board who are members of the Union Bears, and, of course, also hear from posters who aren't members of the group.
Agree as I was sitting in there singing it! I think everyone who was at that game and everyone who has sung these songs over the years has to take responsibility.Interesting. I was in the Main Stand and it was being sung there.
IMHO the UB need to be embraced. The club need to communicate with them. Introduce a code of conduct including UB stewards. They can help lead the response.As things stand, I'm of the opinion that the Union Bears are finished as a fans' group.
I think that the only way back for them would be if they were to work hand in hand with the club and lead the efforts to promote non-offensive songs at Ibrox and at away games.
Now, it's not for me to tell this group what to do as I'm not and never have been a member – but, if I was, I'd be approaching the club in an apologetic manner and asking what the group can do to work with the club in an effort to help educate our wider support – and safeguard the future of the Union Bears.
Just like they do with the offensive songs the Union Bears start, the rest of the ground would follow the Union Bears' lead if they started singing only acceptable songs.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the club didn't just disband the Union Bears anyway – that's why it is, for me, imperative that the fans' group seize the initiative here to 1) lead the efforts to promote acceptable singing and 2) safeguard the future of their group and improve their relationship with the club.
Sadly, however, I think the Union Bears will take the huff again and have their silent protests etc, particularly with their section being singled out by the club over recent events with the UEFA charges.
So, instead of the fans' group – and the club – being proactive, I think that, one way or another, the Union Bears are finished.
I truly hope it doesn't come to this because there is much to admire about the Union Bears, but they need to accept criticism when it's merited – which it most definitely is in this case.
Are they collectively mature enough to recognise this, though?
I'd like to think we all – the club, the Union Bears, and the wider support – want the same thing: an
Ibrox with the world-renowned atmosphere that we're known for across the globe, but an Ibrox with a support who no longer sings the songs that will eventually lead us to being banned from Europe completely.
And, make no mistake, we will be banned from Europe if this continues.
Steven Gerrard will walk if that happens.
There's no way our manager will want to be at a Rangers who are banned from Europe – and there's no way he'll want his brand associated with a club who are banned from Europe because of what is deemed to be racist behaviour.
This would give Celtic a free run at the Champions League and effectively render us unable to meaningfully compete.
Doomsday scenario?
No, it's not.
It is a stark fact that we will be kicked out of Europe if we don't change as a support.
I'd be interested to know the thoughts of posters on this board who are members of the Union Bears, and, of course, also hear from posters who aren't members of the group.
Yes I have.Yes? Have you ever sat anywhere else in the stadium?
Whilst I agree to an extent, this is largely irrelevant. The facts on the table here are - continue to sing we will be thrown out. Whatever we think of the principle doesn’t matter - we need to stop.Ask they question of who reported them .
Some times its the principle not the point that needs to be looked at.
Serious questions need to be asked of FARE and their credibility. They continually attack our club and our club only.
I think everyone has to stop focusing on who's to blame, that part is in the past and everybody has sung the songs at some point.
With that said, UB are in a unique position to drive the changes the club (and everyone) want to see, if they react to this in the correct manner they will thrive and that can only be a good thing for the club, support and the atmosphere.
It's not the UB responsibility to do anything, but I hope they take the opportunity that is glaring them in the face and lead from the front.
It was BF1 who were reported according to posts above, so that section was always going to be shut down.So everyone has sung the songs at sometime, it wasn’t just BF1 singing it on that night, but it should be BF1/UB who get punished? Have I got that right?
So everyone has sung the songs at sometime, it wasn’t just BF1 singing it on that night, but it should be BF1/UB who get punished? Have I got that right?
We lost it when David Murray sat back and let us be pissed upon by all and sundry for his own self importance in the echelons of UEFA. He wanted to be where Lawwell is now.We never started it
To suggest Gerrard would walk, is utter tripe.
I'm not and never have been a member – but, if I was, I'd be approaching the club in an apologetic manner and asking what the group can do to work with the club in an effort to help educate our wider support – and safeguard the future of the Union Bears.
This is absolutely spot on. If there are members with the maturity and ability to drive this, it’s not out with the realms of possibility that the group along with the club’s excellent media/ short film making department could spearhead a new way forward.
Sorry diehards but it absolutely MUST happen some way or another for the good of Rangers.
100% agree with you.As things stand, I'm of the opinion that the Union Bears are finished as a fans' group.
I think that the only way back for them would be if they were to work hand in hand with the club and lead the efforts to promote non-offensive songs at Ibrox and at away games.
Now, it's not for me to tell this group what to do as I'm not and never have been a member – but, if I was, I'd be approaching the club in an apologetic manner and asking what the group can do to work with the club in an effort to help educate our wider support – and safeguard the future of the Union Bears.
Just like they do with the offensive songs the Union Bears start, the rest of the ground would follow the Union Bears' lead if they started singing only acceptable songs.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the club didn't just disband the Union Bears anyway – that's why it is, for me, imperative that the fans' group seize the initiative here to 1) lead the efforts to promote acceptable singing and 2) safeguard the future of their group and improve their relationship with the club.
Sadly, however, I think the Union Bears will take the huff again and have their silent protests etc, particularly with their section being singled out by the club over recent events with the UEFA charges.
So, instead of the fans' group – and the club – being proactive, I think that, one way or another, the Union Bears are finished.
I truly hope it doesn't come to this because there is much to admire about the Union Bears, but they need to accept criticism when it's merited – which it most definitely is in this case.
Are they collectively mature enough to recognise this, though?
I'd like to think we all – the club, the Union Bears, and the wider support – want the same thing: an
Ibrox with the world-renowned atmosphere that we're known for across the globe, but an Ibrox with a support who no longer sings the songs that will eventually lead us to being banned from Europe completely.
And, make no mistake, we will be banned from Europe if this continues.
Steven Gerrard will walk if that happens.
There's no way our manager will want to be at a Rangers who are banned from Europe – and there's no way he'll want his brand associated with a club who are banned from Europe because of what is deemed to be racist behaviour.
This would give Celtic a free run at the Champions League and effectively render us unable to meaningfully compete.
Doomsday scenario?
No, it's not.
It is a stark fact that we will be kicked out of Europe if we don't change as a support.
I'd be interested to know the thoughts of posters on this board who are members of the Union Bears, and, of course, also hear from posters who aren't members of the group.
Hints at an agenda that existed before this incident and for that reason I’m out.
Im just back from a nightmare journey from Warsaw so I'm not going to reply to the OP as I'll most likely get a ban for doing so.
What I will say though is the UB aren't the only group / section of support that sing and have sung this song. For them to be castigated like this is nothing short of a f**king disgrace.
Exactly , who needs enemies eh?
The FARE mob must be looking in here laughing saying “ mission complete”
Bears blaming other bears and turning on each other on the say so of undercover mentally challengeds.
It’s embarrassing.
And before the do gooders jump on this im
All for brushing up the songbook in Europe as UEFA Are blinded by these cretins at FARE. We need to be smarter.
But the main objective is the same , they need called out and blacklisted and only the club can do that. They have done everything else in their power.
If it doesn’t stop Ibrox will be emptied by UEFA
Indeed maybe some of us who ‘get it’ in terms of what needs to happen should consider joining the UB and help them in this!
I get the impresdio
I know but why are some targeting the UB. There's plenty of others guilty. What about the 1700 in Poland? The club could ban all of them. They were singing TBB. Then there's the travelling fans at Killie. The club know who they are.
I'll hand back by season ticket then, as I don't sing at games? I'm an introvert and suffer from a terrible lack of confidence but being amongst like minded Rangers fans gives me a sense of belonging.Im not a member but Im a big fan of the UB.
Im disgusted with those in the "wider support" who love nothing better than having a go at the UB while they sit back and contribute little if anything to the atmosphere and support for the team apart from their ST money.
I wouldnt be surprised if the UB walked away from the situation and left the rest to sit in silence.
Slightly off topic, not a game at Ibrox or in Europe but watch our winner back against Killie. Union Bears try and start (Ohhh Ohhh) Every Saturday We Follow, only to be drowned out by the Billy Boys.
The whole of the BF should’ve been closed imo as not every song is started by the UB
Commonly known as the keep-your-head-buried-in-the-sand approach.
An absolute stitch up obviously we can’t sing that or any add ons anymore but the UB have been stitched up by FARE big timeFARE reported TBB as coming from BF1.
It was BF1 who were reported according to posts above, so that section was always going to be shut down.
An absolute stitch up obviously we can’t sing that or any add ons anymore but the UB have been stitched up by FARE big time
No, you haven't got that right, you obviously didn't read my fücking post.
Why are everybody blaming the union bears and putting it all on them to sort out the song list.when I have been at Ibrox or watching the games on rtv tbb or super ranges is started by the other parts of the stadium.70% of what the ub’s sing is about rangers or the players.they have brought back some old rangers songs.i have even heard them singing rangers easy ok.
I don't think it's the point he was making, but it does inadvertently point out that Rangers existed before the UB and will exist after them. We stamped out the song before and can do it again.
Personally I hope the UB remain, they aren't the only guilty party but doesn't change the fact that they need to adapt or be dissolved.
As I see it someone has to carry the can for all this and UEFA have told rangers to get it sorted . The UB are the scapegoat and for me it’s not just the singing . It’s the smokebombs , the “ look at us “ attitude . At rugby park had young ones ( I strongly suspect they were part of UB), ran on the park and jumped on the disabled roof . Now had they not done that we would have won the moral high ground and with regards to the ticket shambles and the crushing , we would’ve hung Kilmarnock out to dry . Because of what else happened we were painted as the bad guys . Yes I sing TBB, yes I sing them all . But when I sing them in my seat nobody from Fare knows it’s me . The UB have basically made themselves a target and so they’ve got to go . As a support we survived before them and we”ll survive after them.
To the UB take it , get a season ticket wherever your put , and let’s get on with it