Not sure how many times I need to repeat this but, I never compared Mo Salah to Tav, I was replying to the poster Taverneeeer & letting him now what Salah had actually won as ,the poster has stated that Salah had only won 2 things with Liverpool.
That’s not at all what he was saying. Might want to reread it.
Your point is about captaincy, not skill or goals. To that point you are 100% bang on the money. This BS about captains all over the park is exactly that BS. We are desperate for a leader and battler, that guy who doesn't always need to play the best but drives the team. We have been void of a captain for many years now. If the guy had been fit, I'd have had Jack as captain long ago, but that ship sailed. The tragedy is I honestly can't think of anyone. I prefer a captain to be strong and bigger than life, mentally. I have never seen Tav as that leader. He has tremendous qualities in fitness and drive but always appears weak in comparison to the likes of McGregor, who is constantly driving them. That huddle pisses me off but you can see him in there getting them wound up for the game. Who would you have in his place?
There was at least 8 players out there worse than him!
I do think the captaincy is more a figurehead than any important point. If you are a good leader and influence as a player then you don’t need to be captain for that mentality to work its way through the team - Weir had that for us before he was made captain. The problem is Tav doesn’t have that mentality anyway. As much as I think we need to drop Tav as a player I don’t think changing the armband would make a blind bit of difference
Along with the “but look at his stats” and “who is going to score the goals he gives” this is the other point other fans use as the argument to keep him! Okay maybe 8 players were worse than him (I actually strongly disagree with that but anyway). So that’s 9 players we should get rid off! And to counter “we can’t change the entire team” then that’s fine, let’s just change HIM and see if that makes a difference.
We've been trying that for 9 years with no success.
Noticed you've changed your avi from big Phill, that him done in your book mr flip flop?
Spot on
There weren’t 8 players worse anyway, he had a direct hand in both goals conceded and contributed to none in our favour. So the idea 8 of them were worse doesn’t exactly fly.
I disagree with that.
He has been bang average all season and I’ve never known an old firm captain to be targeted as much since Billy McNeil ended him on the playing field . He and Tav lost that bit of recovery pace and leadership
Have we tried that without Tav playing at the same time? That’s what I’m asking for us to do.
John Lundstrum lost that game today - an og and a sending off
Haha. I’m sure some will misinterpret that as me saying both goals are all his fault, they obviously weren’t. But he needlessly gives the ball away in a terrible position high up the pitch for the first goal allowing them to break, and gets rinsed by Maeda at the second, so he’s had a hand in both. Lundstram being equally culpable doesn’t really change that.He had a hand in both goals?
No. Never.
We see you.
"I just do not think Tav would be allowed to get away with the same antics that McGregor does."
He doesn't need to resort to acting like Stig of the Dump after years of buzzing gas.
Your avatar has always been Gough, hasn't it?
So the alternative is we carry on doing what we’re doing and celebrate our captains goal scoring contribution end of season award while the scum celebrate their trophies? Dessers has 20 goals while not taking penalties and I doubt any players would argue against dropping him! Here’s a crazy suggestion - maybe we should critique Tavs ability to the position he actually plays, ie defender!
That’s wild
Seriously? They love us having him as they know exactly where to direct their attack.
That was 4 years ago, having better players dug us out a bit from his defensive frailties whilst letting him use his incredible power and pace to make the difference at the other end. He’s four years older now, his pace and power are very much on the wane. He doesn’t have the same impact he did a few years ago. We can bring in other quality and he will be the weak link until ultimately he’s forced out. Or we thank him for his time, his incredible goal return and replace him before fans start to outright dislike him.
Mate he's been awful long before that.
