We have to drown out TBB with boos

[HandsomeHead]

I understand and agree with most of your post -

I'm not knowledgeable about their songs either - but if I understand correctly & in answer to the line 'timbo's use of the words ...really meaning protestant's' - don't they sing - 'soon there will be no more protestants' ? Don't they also sing about 'bayonets slashing orange sashes - to the echo of Thompson guns'? DOB is every bit as sectarian as 19th Century Terrorist imo

I'm not in anyway offended by anything they sing - it would be a bit like giving credence to something that has no importance - but I can struggle with the imbalanced way authorities and media alike deal with this broad issue -

I don’t think there can be any denial that ‘dirty orange bastards’ or ‘soon there’ll be no protestants at all’ are sectarian in content and should see the Yahoos punished similarly as a result, but I guess the question there is: who will take them to task over that in a European context?

Are UEFA observers at Celtic games listening out for similar indiscretions from the green and grey?

If not, why not?

The Scottish media won’t take Timbo to task over this either so how can we be sure the same scrutiny will be applied to everyone?

This is what the club need to address, but I get it’s actually quite difficult for them to do so without it seeming a bit whatabouterryish.

 

[Govanfrnt]

Wrong. It’s not on all of us. It’s on those who sing it

I'm proud to say I cant remember the last time I sang it It could be as long as 15 years ago. I tend to sing Rangers songs at the football

 

[Korova Milk Bar]

You say this but the whole stadium will be singing it on the 1st September.

The amount of hypocrites on here today is astounding.

It’s madness that there’s people on here acting as if they’ve never sang Super Rangers or The Billy Boys but will happily throw other fans under the bus and play the “It’s only a small minority”.

 

[SenoraCuellar]

TBB is a tremendous song. There I've said it. There's nothing more intimidating than it at full pelt in Ibrox. So I'll be f*cked if I boo it.

I get it's now out of bounds and not arguable before you all @ me.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

Never thought i would say this i grew loving this song it was our anthem. But Rangers comes first and its not acceptable to sing this ever again. If some drunk wee neds start singing this on Thursday we as a support need to show we dont accept it and boo. Sing Rangers songs loud and proud bit not this crap anymore. Rangers first always.

TBBs. The greatest football anthem ever is crap?

This place has now became full metal batshit crazy.

While those who hate us grow in their hate, we have some who are diluted to the point of dishwater.

I stay on here from a sense of loyalty to what the fanzine was, but some of the fans on here disgust me.

Boo TBBs?

I've read it all now.

 

[douzpwa]

Never thought i would say this i grew loving this song it was our anthem. But Rangers comes first and its not acceptable to sing this ever again. If some drunk wee neds start singing this on Thursday we as a support need to show we dont accept it and boo. Sing Rangers songs loud and proud bit not this crap anymore. Rangers first always.

Absolutely not imo! We have to agree to either change some words or not sing certain songs at games! There has to be communication over this especially given this punishment!

 

[GummyBear]

I know we are to ignore the other mob from the East... but chances are

1. Celtc fans will sing The Billy Boys in defiance and mockery

2. Celtc fans will have a banner next week, if not this week, with the word 19th Century Terrorist on it - in mockery again or support of themselves

Absolutely true

 

[Teddyjohn]

Please could you list the hypocrites you speak of? Since you are so sure there are people on here who are 100% going to sing sectarian songs next week...

Sectarian singing happens at Old Firm games and it’ll happen again next week when Lennon, Brown et al turn up - and it’ll be a lot more than just BF1 doing it as people seem to be trying to portray.

Adrenaline, emotion, drink, drugs, whatever will take effect. I do think there’ll be a drastic shift for European games but games against them won’t ever be cleaned up. That’s the reality.

 

[dublinbluenose]

I disagree. If the club say "do not sing TBB or Super Rangers" then I think the home support will respond. If they say "do not sing a song that is not about Rangers" then I think the home support will respond (albeit Ibrox will fall mainly silent). If they say nothing, we have no idea what will be sung and what UEFA will go after.

If we think back to 2006 our support overnight stopped singing the billy boys.we had the rsc meeting about the song sheet in the wrc.we weren’t physically there but a good bear represented us at the meeting and sent me the feedback from the meeting.we have adapted our song sheet as time wears on.songs I was singing in the 80’s and were worse are long gone.instead of being at each other’s throught,let’s try and work togeather.we can do this if we all put our shoulder to the wheel.

 

[Danger Zone]

How can we get kicked out for it then ????

Fùcks sake, how do you even get yourself dressed in the morning

 

[Danger Zone]

TBBs. The greatest football anthem ever is crap?

This place has now became full metal batshit crazy.

While those who hate us grow in their hate, we have some who are diluted to the point of dishwater.

I stay on here from a sense of loyalty to what the fanzine was, but some of the fans on here disgust me.

Boo TBBs?

I've read it all now.

Fans who put the singing of that song above the overall good of the club disgust me, and perplex me.

 

[giogaddi]

TBBs. The greatest football anthem ever is crap?

This place has now became full metal batshit crazy.

While those who hate us grow in their hate, we have some who are diluted to the point of dishwater.

I stay on here from a sense of loyalty to what the fanzine was, but some of the fans on here disgust me.

Boo TBBs?

I've read it all now.

If that disgusts you, how would you feel about being kicked out of European football?

 

[Bri RTID]

Fùcks sake, how do you even get yourself dressed in the morning

Hahaha

 

[Taiwan Loyal]

I doubt we will get kicked out of Europe for singing TBBs to be fair. From a legal point of view it's just not feasible. Having said that it's probably better not sing it. It's a pity because it is a rousing and intimidating anthem. Would make sense to change the lyrics, but that's easier said than done.

 

[silverbear]

My recollection of the original sanction banning TBB was more than just being about the “f” word.
If my memory serves me correctly UEFA were advised by certain Scottish journalists that the words “billy boys” referred to what they called a sectarian razor gang that targeted catholics.
Have to say that was not something I was aware of but, it is on this basis that the song called “the billy boys” is banned.
The similar song we hear other fans sing is not TBB as other teams don’t use those words.
I’d imagine other teams that use their version of the song either call it that or “the gorgie/ killie boys” or whatever.
On that basis in aim towards a revised version would have to begin with renaming g the song to something like “the Rangers boys” or such together with removal of the “f” word.
Sadly I can’t see that working anytime soon.

 

[Sheik Ma Shammy]

Should never be booed beats me why any Rangers supporter would think this way fair enough not to sing it but to behave like the scum and boo it is not necessary.

 

[GLAGAZ]

It’s madness that there’s people on here acting as if they’ve never sang Super Rangers or The Billy Boys but will happily throw other fans under the bus and play the “It’s only a small minority”.

It doesn't matter in the slightest what people have or haven't sang in the past. What matters is what people do next. The message from UEFA and the club is clear as day. Sing about 19th Century Terrorists or religion and the club will face severe punishment. There will be no-one to blame but ourselves - not UEFA, not FARE, not the board, not Peter Lawell or the dhims, not our board and not the Scottish government.

If people can't contain themselves they can GTF as quite frankly they don't prioritise the football club.

 

[Brazilbear]

Never thought i would say this i grew loving this song it was our anthem. But Rangers comes first and its not acceptable to sing this ever again. If some drunk wee neds start singing this on Thursday we as a support need to show we dont accept it and boo. Sing Rangers songs loud and proud bit not this crap anymore. Rangers first always.

This is very sad, you want our support to stop singing a song and want to boo them if they do.
How about we change the word 19th Century Terrorist to paedo. Would that satisfy you? Do you have any positive suggestions? Do you expect us to boo our own fans for singing a song we all have sung . I am sorry but I cannot be that hypocritical.

 

[Gallant_Few]

Why not sing songs about being the most successful football club the world has ever seen.

I would rather not sing about the Pope, the IRA or the disgusting Paedophiles that they harboured and allowed a free run at in recent children for decades.

We should be above all that. We have Steven Gerrard leading our club just now and doing a right good job at it aswell may I add. Do we want to risk losing him and all that we have just now for the sake of some words that quite simply should never be mentioned in a footballing Cathedral such as Ibrox.

We are on the cusp of something special under a very special man let's not lose it all by self inflicting trouble upon ourselves.

Let's wake up Bears before it's too late.

As someone who admittedly used to sing those words I plead with the remaining supporters who are singing them in defiance, please stop NOW. No matter how long and how loud you sing these songs there will only be one loser in all of this, Rangers!!

We can come out of this stronger and wiser as a support but we need to stick together and all be singing from the same sheet so to speak. Starting from tomorrow let's get fully behind the manager and his players and sing songs about them and the club without the add ons.

This team are doing their best to deliver the success we have been starved of for too long now, let's not hinder them with stadium closures and point deductions. We have enough people trying to inflict damage upon us without us doing it from within.

 

[ChinaskiBear]

In which case why is it ok for other teams to sing similar versions. Do Uefa actually know what they are talking about.

No. The first problem is the 'billy boy's' itself being deemed a sectarian gang. The second issue is being 'up to our knees in xxx blood'. The whole song in every guise was banned by uefa. I get that Kilmarnock have a version but they are not playing in high profile UEFA games.

 

[wee bud's pit boots]

If that disgusts you, how would you feel about being kicked out of European football?

Is this like a tag team here?

I don't sing it anymore, a wee bit too old in the tooth.

But this isn't about a certain song.

This is about a concerted attack on the club at any cost. At, and for any excuse.

I'll say it again, we should have been over FARE and their hypocrisy from the start.

We, as a club and support are once again paying the price.

Dignified silence once again. What could beat it?

You could have hand picked a dozen guys from this website, Club 1872 all other websites, VBs etc, and we could have taken on the hypocrisy from day one.

The club has reneged on their duties.

Yet again.

 

[steincolin]

Admin should have binned this thread when the headline was boo. Some fans really need to get a grip

 

[Scrubs UK]

How about we change the word 19th Century Terrorist to paedo

Do that and sing it, there's a good chance our next game, if we qualify for the groups stages, will be behind colsed doors. UEFA have stated it is not to be sang 'in any form'.

 

[El Toro]

This is very sad, you want our support to stop singing a song and want to boo them if they do.
How about we change the word 19th Century Terrorist to paedo. Would that satisfy you? Do you have any positive suggestions? Do you expect us to boo our own fans for singing a song we all have sung . I am sorry but I cannot be that hypocritical.

Yes i do if it means Rangers can get chucked out of europe if we sing then yes! I would boo anything that would hurt my team. Its not rocket science Rangers are bigger than any song.

 

[ArnoldRimmer]

Sectarian singing happens at Old Firm games and it’ll happen again next week when Lennon, Brown et al turn up - and it’ll be a lot more than just BF1 doing it as people seem to be trying to portray.

Adrenaline, emotion, drink, drugs, whatever will take effect. I do think there’ll be a drastic shift for European games but games against them won’t ever be cleaned up. That’s the reality.

We will bow eventually, because in the not too distant future the SFA/ Scottish Premiership will be utilising the exact same punishments that UEFA do.

Strict liability will get introduced either at some point this year or next season. It's coming

 

[BattlefieldBear]

I will never, ever boo the Billy Boys.

 

[RfcWATP]

Where did up to our knees in chips and cheese go?

 

[BillyBoys]

Wrong. It’s not on all of us. It’s on those who sing it

Wish we were all as angelic as you. Im sorry but anyone saying they havent sang it is an out and out liar.

It is on all of us.

 

[laudofan]

My recollection of the original sanction banning TBB was more than just being about the “f” word.
If my memory serves me correctly UEFA were advised by certain Scottish journalists that the words “billy boys” referred to what they called a sectarian razor gang that targeted catholics.
Have to say that was not something I was aware of but, it is on this basis that the song called “the billy boys” is banned.
The similar song we hear other fans sing is not TBB as other teams don’t use those words.
I’d imagine other teams that use their version of the song either call it that or “the gorgie/ killie boys” or whatever.
On that basis in aim towards a revised version would have to begin with renaming g the song to something like “the Rangers boys” or such together with removal of the “f” word.
Sadly I can’t see that working anytime soon.

IMO it might be an idea for the club to come up with a positive solution regarding this.

"Marching Through Georgia" is a great tune. It should be eminently possible for fans groups to agree on lyrics which could be officially endorsed and approved, beginning with "Hello Hello! We are the Rangers Boys." And I would involve UEFA in this as well to show that the club is being proactive in putting its house in order.

This official version could be published in the programme regularly/put on the screens and the fans encouraged to sing the new version word for word. The usual warnings would apply to anyone singing unacceptable words.

This worked for "Sloop John B"/"Four Lads Had a Dream" and it's one of our best new songs.

 

[unionjock2]

The Billy Boys is the greatest , most rousing football anthem on earth. If we need to tweak it we should. As for booing it...go and f*ck right off.

 

[giogaddi]

We will bow eventually, because in the not too distant future the SFA/ Scottish Premiership will be utilising the exact same punishments that UEFA do.

Strict liability will get introduced either at some point this year or next season. It's coming

If we beat the filth next week and TBB is belted out, what do you think the post match focus will be? Every one of the usual suspects will be rolled out calling for us to be docked points, have stands closed and the SFA will be accused of turning a blind eye to sectarianism. No one will care what the 800 filth fans were singing. If strict liability is brought in, who does everyone think it will be the only team to be punished with it?

 

[dougiem]

Change 19th Century Terrorist to pedos scum job done although they will claim we sung the 19th Century Terrorist version.
It's no coincidence that Lawwell got on the uefa board Rangers are playing the best football in years and the beasts are running scared this is the real reason.
The beasts are sh..ing next week and rightly so as Rangers will hump them.

 

[Texas ranger]

I’m completely perplexed as to why anyone thinks UEFA would listen to Rangers fans or Rangers F.C complaining about a partnership organization (FARE) rather than listen to FARE when we continually sing songs that violate UEFA’s policy. It’s mental.

 

[Stez64]

Can anyone confirm that the actual tune has been banned by UEFA, or is it a myth.
When I say confirm, I mean 100% , seen the letter/email.

 

[oranje-viola]

I'm proud to say I cant remember the last time I sang it It could be as long as 15 years ago. I tend to sing Rangers songs at the football

The Billy Boys is a Rangers song - regardless of the lyrics it is intrinsically part of our club and who we are as fans. It’s at best revisionism, at worst sheer holier-than-thou ignorance or shit-stirring, for folk to suggest that it’s not a ‘Rangers song’ as we have all sang it countless times at games and it’s been synonymous with how we have identified ourselves

I tend to sing less as I get older as well, but it doesn’t mean I don’t feel anger and frustration at how we and our fans have been singled out for this. Must be so frustrating particularly for our younger and more vocal fans who have to endure relentless scrutiny and bad press - for, what at the end of the day are only words in songs - whilst seeing our rivals get away with everything and then some in comparison.

The Rangers board need to come out and bring this imbalance and hypocrisy into the public sphere. They could also do worse than empathise with the UB’s at the situation they find themselves in and get them onboard in developing a list of what can/can’t be sung, but make clear that the the goalposts have moved and we can’t continue like this. Yes I think we all have to grudgingly admit that our anthem and battle cry needs consigned to history but let’s make sure some consistency and transparency is applied across the board. They simply can’t simply take this punishment without firing a shot across the bows at FARE, UEFA and the bheggars otherwise they will lose the support and trust of many of our support

 

[Brazilbear]

Do that and sing it, there's a good chance our next game, if we qualify for the groups stages, will be behind colsed doors. UEFA have stated it is not to be sang 'in any form'.

When and where did they say that?

 

[Gary]

When and where did they say that?

About 15 years ago. I am not posting links to rags and the likes of the BBC but if you google it there is plenty of coverage.

 

[Papasmurf]

Wish we were all as angelic as you. Im sorry but anyone saying they havent sang it is an out and out liar.

It is on all of us.

I haven’t sung TBB for years. Super rangers, yes, but I’ve always used dirty bastards.

 

[Mols 9]

There are many other Rangers songs that people could sing but nobody bothers joining in with them.

Every other Saturday
Wolverhampton town
A trip to Ibrox
The Rangers chorus
Easy OK

Only one that really gets a good airing is Blue sea of Ibrox.

 

[Brazilbear]

About 15 years ago. I am not posting links to rags and the likes of the BBC but if you google it there is plenty of coverage.

In 2006, Rangers were charged by UEFA for discriminatory chanting over the singing of "Billy Boys" during a UEFA Champions League game against Villarreal. Rangers were found not guilty due to "Billy Boys" having been sung for years without the SFA or the Scottish government intervening against it and ruled that it was tolerated as a social and historic song.[15]However, after an appeal where they were warned, Rangers were ordered by UEFA to make a public announcement at all home games, prohibiting the singing of the song[16] despite UEFA admitting they were unable to do anything about it because it was a Scottish social issue.[17] In 2011, "Billy Boys" was included in a list of chants that had been banned from Scottish football grounds as part of new legislation from the Scottish government. It was specifically banned because of its "Up to our knees in 19th Century Terrorist blood" line.[18] It was banned because it was decided by the Scottish government that "19th Century Terrorist" in the context of the song meant Roman Catholics and was thus sectarian despite Rangers fans stating that it meant Irish republicans or fans of their Old Firm rivals, Celtic.
Uefa didn't like it but couldn't do anything about it as it was a scottish social issue. The SNP are the ones who banned it. I think it could be challenged in court as the 19th Century Terrorists had a great number of protestants and what they had in common was republicanism and socialism. So, it is a political song and not religious.
The IRB and the 19th Century Terrorists as well as the IRA/Sinn Fein have successfully merged politics and religion. So much that they are indistinguishable. We need to seperate them if we want to win the culture war.

 

[JimmyGQ]

The Billy Boys is the greatest , most rousing football anthem on earth. If we need to tweak it we should. As for booing it...go and f*ck right off.

Seriously? It’s an awful song. The most rousing anthems are things like cant Del Barca, which is about Barcelona, Glory Glory, which is about Man United. Or Stern Des Südens which is about Bayern. Even YNWA is something people stand up and take notice of. Nobody takes notice of TBB. And if half of them knew what it was about they’d laugh at us. How can it be a club anthem if it’s not even about Rangers. Jesus.

 

[grangers]

IMO it might be an idea for the club to come up with a positive solution regarding this.

"Marching Through Georgia" is a great tune. It should be eminently possible for fans groups to agree on lyrics which could be officially endorsed and approved, beginning with "Hello Hello! We are the Rangers Boys." And I would involve UEFA in this as well to show that the club is being proactive in putting its house in order.

This official version could be published in the programme regularly/put on the screens and the fans encouraged to sing the new version word for word. The usual warnings would apply to anyone singing unacceptable words.

This worked for "Sloop John B"/"Four Lads Had a Dream" and it's one of our best new songs.

Something along these lines should have been done years ago, but the club and fans groups chose to ignore it, their stance was to stop singing it completely in accordance with the phantom UEFA letter that no one has ever seen, which was incredibly intepreted by some as a ban on the tune.

Marching through Georgia tune banned, how gullible do you have to be to believe that?

It looks like deja vu to me, as all indications are that they are going to continue to ignore what the fans want, a word change, which will in time cause a resurgence of TBB un its original form, as this is one song that's not going away.

 

[unionjock2]

Seriously? It’s an awful song. The most rousing anthems are things like cant Del Barca, which is about Barcelona, Glory Glory, which is about Man United. Or Stern Des Südens which is about Bayern. Even YNWA is something people stand up and take notice of. Nobody takes notice of TBB. And if half of them knew what it was about they’d laugh at us. How can it be a club anthem if it’s not even about Rangers. Jesus.

Glory glory Man Utd, away ye go, absolute numb nut of a song. Where does YNWA mention Liverpool or Celtic...its pretty boring too if truth be told.

 

[Tam the Weegie]

You say this but the whole stadium will be singing it on the 1st September.

The amount of hypocrites on here today is astounding.

It is not about hypocrisy mate. It is about the impact on the club. After the years we have just come through, we can't have that again.
TBB is a great fans' song and it has only one 'offensive' line. It can't be beyond the wit of the fans to come up with a replacement. Maybe the club could sponsor a competition to find a suitable substitute. I am a 71 year old pensioner and have been singing the song since the 1950's, but the world has moved on since then and if we don't want to put the club down the cludgie, we have to move on too.

 

[JimmyGQ]

Glory glory Man Utd, away ye go, absolute numb nut of a song. Where does YNWA mention Liverpool or Celtic...its pretty boring too if truth be told.

Not saying they are amazing songs, but they are world renowned football anthems that people know and go crazy for. To the extent that in live coverage the producers will cut to it pre-game. TBB is just pish.

 

[Truffle Shuffle]

Fùcks sake, how do you even get yourself dressed in the morning

I'm in agreement with you here

 

[grangers]

Yeah I got that. You're wanting the support to continue singing the song that could see us kicked out of Europe with a few subtle changes to the words. That'll work. Great idea.

It will work, and it is a great idea.
Can't get slung out for singing about 19th Century Terrorists if we're not singing about 19th Century Terrorists

 

[unionjock2]

Not saying they are amazing songs, but they are world renowned football anthems that people know and go crazy for. To the extent that in live coverage the producers will cut to it pre-game. TBB is just pish.

The Leeds Utd team of 1992 would probably disagree with you...David Batty said we looked at each other and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up at the noise that was coming from the stadium, just before they walked out the tunnel..he was talking about TBB, the greatest anthem on earth.

 

[Des]

TBB must stay, fantastic anthem that gets the ground rocking. If the Club got together with Club 1872 and other fan groups, changed a few lyrics and handed out leaflets, released statements along with word of mouth and a bit of self policing, it absolutely can be done!

Exactly! The fans absolutely would sing a new word instead of '19th Century Terrorist' if it was publicised well enough.

Those still singing the old word would be in the minority.

The time for this campaign to start is now.

 

[JimmyGQ]

The Leeds Utd team of 1992 would probably disagree with you...David Batty said we looked at each other and the hairs on the back of my neck stood up at the noise that was coming from the stadium, just before they walked out the tunnel..he was talking about TBB, the greatest anthem on earth.

The fans can sing another song just as loud that's about Rangers. One that doesn't belong in the doldrums. It wasn't TBB Batty was impressed by, it was the noise and more than one song can generate that