We've also to identify the HMRC individuals

The people at HMRC that started this case and more importantly got it so very wrong need to be outed and taken to task. They've cost millions of pounds in damages. Cost people their jobs. Added to the fact they've enabled a massive witch hunt to go against our club. Reputation has taken a beating and we were forced to go through all the leagues again - after all the clubs banded together to have us punished so badly.

We've ended up in a mess with people like Ashley.

The sheer amount of damage caused by these people at HMRC cannot be forgotten and cannot be allowed to be swept under a carpet.
 
DavidSmith said:
There was one private email group in particular that I was aware of, with around 30 members (each member of the group had to be vouched for), that started around 2009/10, plotting and planning the destruction of Rangers.
I know two of the members on that group, one of them was Frank Reilly, the SFA National Team Administrator.
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Who was the other?
 
Coda said:
You need it explained to you why the party in power for 8 years, are responsible for something that happened 7 years ago?

For a bunch of creeps that are supposedly standing up for Scotland, they did %^*& all to stand up for one of their biggest institutions.
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Completely agree mate
 
benfica65 said:
This blog requires revisiting and is a good start in identifying who is responsible.

note that arsenal and the scum are identified as “Irish clubs” in this piece.

Did Arsenal get off lightly in recent times over same subject?

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Damian McBride is a name I have heard linked to RTC blog. Rumour was he was brains (no laughing) behind the blog.
 
My god how do you even start to put a monetary value on:-
Players
Assets
Trophies
Defamation
Sponsorship
Public perception
Time
Stress
Etc??????
 
Datman said:
Who was the other?
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No one you'd know mate, a bheast FC fan but with no official connections to anyone.
However he got sacked for gross misconduct due to these email exchanges.
He kept them in a folder on his office desktop.
The fool was given a chance to delete them but he didn't, for whatever reason.

As well as the group sending emails about what was going to happen to Rangers they would also send pornographic and other types of jokes to the group - which included the infamous pope-gate joke that got Hugh Dallas sacked. Reilly also got that joke but said he didn't open it!!!
The poet that I know who did open it, kept it in his desktop folder along with everything else.
Therefore he was sacked.

Our IT Manager (I've since retired) is/was a Rangers season ticket holder.
I don't know what he did with all the Rangers related emails
 
stuh said:
The part I'm finding difficult is why did Murray not prove these figures were wrong, surely he had paperwork/evidence to show what our bill was.
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On expert advice, retrospectively changed by the Supreme Court, SDM denied any tax liability then sought a multi-million compromise that HMRC rejected. Lloyds TSB were in control before we were sold to Whyte.
 
DavidSmith said:
No one you'd know mate, a bheast FC fan but with no official connections to anyone.
However he got sacked for gross misconduct due to these email exchanges.
He kept them in a folder on his office desktop.
The fool was given a chance to delete them but he didn't, for whatever reason.

As well as the group sending emails about what was going to happen to Rangers they would also send pornographic and other types of jokes to the group - which included the infamous pope-gate joke that got Hugh Dallas sacked. Reilly also got that joke but said he didn't open it!!!
The poet that I know who did open it, kept it in his desktop folder along with everything else.
Therefore he was sacked.

Our IT Manager (I've since retired) is/was a Rangers season ticket holder.
I don't know what he did with all the Rangers related emails
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It would be worthwhile trying to track him down just on the off chance he has them saved somewhere.
 
Only a Machiavellians political enforcer could have manipulated the many parasites that coalesced to harm us.
 
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Walters80 said:
Interesting that Alex Salmond personally contacted the Lithuanian ambassador about Hearts CVA but made nothing but a vague statement about Rangers in his time in office.

For about 98% of Hearts time in administration it was publicly stated that a CVA was highly unlikely then near the end the Lithuanians suddenly changed direction and gave them one?

Be interesting to see if any government contracts were handed out to companies in Lithuania around that time?

Heck of a lot of questions need to be asked in Scottish football and politics right now.
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mate believe me! Every player in the Scottish cup 5-1 team for hearts was being paid via Lithuanian banks and money was being diverted illegally - this is fact and Salmond made sure it was buried
 
jimbear said:
Coda, like many on here you are either not well informed about what took place back in 2012 or because of your own political views, you just do not want to hear it. The only political party leader in Scotland (or the UK for that matter) who intervened with HMRC on Rangers behalf was Alex Salmond. If you do not believe me, just Google 'Rangers need to survive for Scottish football says Alex Salmond' Daily Mail 16/2/2012. It is there in black & white for you to read. The Daily Record also reported in June 2012 that Salmond spoke to HMRC on Rangers behalf on 11 January 2012 (one month before Whyte put us into administration) to try to get them to do a deal with us. The Daily Record also reported Salmond being heavily criticised for doing so by Peter McMahon who was a Labour MSP back then. I don't mind criticism when it is based on fact but yours clearly is not.
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Intervened? Are you having a laugh? How successful was his intervention?
 
Earl of Leven said:
Magnus Fullerton?

He was the one who was utterly insistent that Murray sell club instantly, to anyone, straight away, no delay....why? Why the haste?
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The haste was a potential tax bill of 78 million that would immediately put us into administration. These are the facts: our potential tax bill seemed to be highlighted more than other businesses. We offered a settlement fee, which was clearly as much as they were ever going to get, which they declined. Our debt was manageable and decreasing. Without the FAKE BIG tax bill, we could have been sold (who is buying a club with 100 million tax bill), there could have been a share issue which would have cleared our debt, ready to start again. We were viable, making profits and playing in European football. The FAKE tax bill was what sent us under. Emails, phone messages, leading to the top is what we need.
 
Coda said:
Intervened? Are you having a laugh? How successful was his intervention?
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And what did the local MSP do? Did Nicola do anything to protect the jobs in her consituency.

Salmond set out in 1980s to destroy Unionism by demonising OO, cosying up to Cardinal O’ Brien (sex offenders) and hanging about in mentally challenged slop houses in Gallowgate to gain fellow WW2 Nazi sympathisers.

Hopefully Salmond will be served the justice he deserves in courts.

Anyone who thinks Salmond tried to save Rangers is delusional.

A more devious and self serving politician is hard to imagine, though Galloway would come close. Fat slime ball that he is.
 
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Surely STV and BBC Scotland will have nightly shows on after their evening news programmes covering every angle, every latest snippet of info, and interrogating absolutely everybody and anybody to find the names of those responsible, doorstepping everyone to the point of harassment to get to the bottom of it.
 
There should be a public enquiry into who orchestrated this and who leaked information. This has cost people their jobs, and all who were involved in this corruption must be brought to justice. As a shareholder then and now I would like to see someone with the knowhow get all the former shareholders together and start a class action against HMRC.
 
Coda said:
Intervened? Are you having a laugh? How successful was his intervention?
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And if you read the Daily Mail articles you will have learned that Salmond did intervene on our behalf. Also, if you read the Daily Record article, you will have seen that his intervention prompted a very negative response from a Labour Party MSP. I appreciate that that particular fact might stick in your craw, but it does not make it any less true. Now that you know that Salmond did try to help our club, maybe you can tell me what the leaders of the other Scottish parties at that time did to try to help us. I'll give you a wee hint if you need it - f**k all!
 
jimbear said:
Coda, like many on here you are either not well informed about what took place back in 2012 or because of your own political views, you just do not want to hear it. The only political party leader in Scotland (or the UK for that matter) who intervened with HMRC on Rangers behalf was Alex Salmond. If you do not believe me, just Google 'Rangers need to survive for Scottish football says Alex Salmond' Daily Mail 16/2/2012. It is there in black & white for you to read. The Daily Record also reported in June 2012 that Salmond spoke to HMRC on Rangers behalf on 11 January 2012 (one month before Whyte put us into administration) to try to get them to do a deal with us. The Daily Record also reported Salmond being heavily criticised for doing so by Peter McMahon who was a Labour MSP back then. I don't mind criticism when it is based on fact but yours clearly is not.
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Where was Sturgeon when all this was going on? Weren't 'Gers a significant employer in her constituency?
 
Blu_ultra said:
The haste was a potential tax bill of 78 million that would immediately put us into administration. These are the facts: our potential tax bill seemed to be highlighted more than other businesses. We offered a settlement fee, which was clearly as much as they were ever going to get, which they declined. Our debt was manageable and decreasing. Without the FAKE BIG tax bill, we could have been sold (who is buying a club with 100 million tax bill), there could have been a share issue which would have cleared our debt, ready to start again. We were viable, making profits and playing in European football. The FAKE tax bill was what sent us under. Emails, phone messages, leading to the top is what we need.
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I like what you’ve done here with the FAKE tax bill.

I’d like to see Admin do their stuff with auto correct and make sure this appeared every time the tax bill was mentioned.

We’re in a PR war here this needs to become part of the Scottish vocabulary.

Admin over to you.
 
JD1872 said:
If you look at this overall saga there must but upwards of 30 or 40 people in professional positions at Hmrc, the government, the police,LBG etc that have acted improperly to inflict as much damage on the club as possible. The least we deserve is a full investigation so these people are identified and the relevant action is taken.
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Fuckin Jesuits everywhere,I wish I was kidding.
 
Theportyunionjack said:
The leak was from someone in the Glasgow office of the pornstar.
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Are you sure? The pornstar was just providing tax advice to Murray regarding the EBTs. The leak, certainly to the RTC blog was someone who had access to the HMRC case against Rangers given the level of detail the blog was posting. The blog was posting about specific players, salary and bonus information.
 
Do you know anything about Fake Tax (i) case?
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Drumchapel-Bear said:
Are you sure? The pornstar was just providing tax advice to Murray regarding the EBTs. The leak, certainly to the RTC blog was someone who had access to the HMRC case against Rangers given the level of detail the blog was posting. The blog was posting about specific players, salary and bonus information.
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Murray said that the only people who had access to the tax case file were within the Murray group and its advisers. Not even the Rangers board had access.

However, the RTC blog did not reveal the finer details until after the club entered administration. It appears the file was handed to Mark Daly.
 
deedle said:
Murray said that the only people who had access to the tax case file were within the Murray group and its advisers. Not even the Rangers board had access.

However, the RTC blog did not reveal the finer details until after the club entered administration. It appears the file was handed to Mark Daly.
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There’s probably a lot of advisors/ lawyers who have seen those documents when you consider that LBG and any potential buyer would DD the company.
 
jimbear said:
HMRC is a UK Government department. The issues concerning the Rangers tax case were first raised when the Labour Party was in power at UK level (and many of us have more than a good idea who was behind it). The matter came to a head in 2012 when the Conservative and Liberal Democrats were in coalition at Westminster. I actually remember Danny Alexander (now Lord Alexander) who was Chief Secretary of the Treasury at the time making a speech in which he compared Rangers FC to "dole cheats". Should the UK parties not get a wee mention regarding what happened?
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So everyone that works in that department is unionist? What a silly yessir comment
 
Coda said:
Let’s not forget our local MSP who made absolutely no attempt to defend us. Sturgeon is another who is highly culpable in all this.
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She hates anything and everything to do with the Union. There is no reason for that cow to defend the last bastion of the Union left in the country I don’t understand why anyone would be surprised
 
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