When is 12 mm of rain not 12 mm of rain

blueaway

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So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

 
Local golf clubs probably measure the rainfall. Most have rain water gauges, if yours hasn’t i would be asking why not.
I don't play mate ! Would you expect a professional football club to have one? Could someone have checked Dundee's given there was a lot of hanging around going on Sunday?
 
You need your hole pal (the rainfall measuring one)
Funny mate, because I spend a wee bit of time on Google and fans can potentially use the info to make a claim for travel, food, accommodation, time off work etc.? That's what happens when you go legal, you need some evidence - if the basis of the late call off, after he tried to embarrass our club and supporters, was 12mm of rainfall (not the expected 6mm).

Or are you happy for people to keep talking absolute nonsense in this country and getting away with it? You happy for the first team of our club to be standing around in the cold in Dundee on a Sunday, happy for supporters to be travelling from all round the UK - when both groups could have spent the day with their families after a Sat evening call off?
 
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.


You've done a great job o/p.
 
Funny mate, because I spend a wee bit of time on Google and fans can potentially use the info to make a claim for travel, food, accommodation, time off work etc.? That's what happens when you go legal, you need some evidence - if the basis of the late call off, after he tried to embarrass our club and supporters, was 12mm of rainfall (not the expected 6mm).

Or are you happy for people to keep talking absolute nonsense in this country and getting away with it? You happy for the first team of our club to be standing around in the cold in Dundee on a Sunday, happy for supporters to be travelling from all round the UK - when both groups could have spent the day with their families after a Sat evening call off?
Some folk do talk absolute nonsense

Nonsense like there was only 3.1mm of rain
 
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

Well said OP, just to add to your point further

How did groundstaff and Nelms know to be at the ground at 5am if they were going by the forecast, because at that time surely there was still a lot of rain to come?

On the other hand if it had all fallen by then, then how did it it not drain in 7 hours (with forking) but would defo have drained in 10 hours by 3pm?
 
It shouldn't have been enough to have a game called off, that was just purely down to Dundee's lack of interest and preparation. If he genuinely thought that was enough rain to cause problems, then they should have been prepared at the expected initial forecast. When you consider the games being called off previous to this one they should have taken even more care, they didn't give a %^*&. Added to the fact they then didn't communicate with anyone properly, they need their arses booted so hard THEY WON'T do it again.

I also would suggest that there will be a fair amount of lies coming from Dundee and Nelms in particular, as they have previous.
 
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

Ffs, the pitch was shite, surely that's enough. Looking for conspiracies or deep analysis on rainfall seems like something you'd expect from Celtic fans.
 
Just had a look at the 2 Sepa gauges in the Dundee area for the week leading up to the game, with Dundee knowing how shit the drainage is.

Times are from 9am the day given and 9am the day after

Baluniefield
14th 14.4mm
15th 1.4mm
16th 8.6mm
17th 0.4mm

Mylnefield
14th 16.2mm
15th 2.2mm
16th 9.4mm
17th 0.2mm

The pitch was never going to recover from the Thursday let alone the Saturday night rain

Rough guesstimate is approx 150000l of water fell on that pitch from Thursday.

Even 6mm is nearly 40000l
 
Funny mate, because I spend a wee bit of time on Google and fans can potentially use the info to make a claim for travel, food, accommodation, time off work etc.? That's what happens when you go legal, you need some evidence - if the basis of the late call off, after he tried to embarrass our club and supporters, was 12mm of rainfall (not the expected 6mm).

Or are you happy for people to keep talking absolute nonsense in this country and getting away with it? You happy for the first team of our club to be standing around in the cold in Dundee on a Sunday, happy for supporters to be travelling from all round the UK - when both groups could have spent the day with their families after a Sat evening call off?
Engaging lawyers to claim back 100 is only going to benefit the lawyers. Shit happens.
 
Just had a look at the 2 Sepa gauges in the Dundee area for the week leading up to the game, with Dundee knowing how shit the drainage is.

Times are from 9am the day given and 9am the day after

Baluniefield
14th 14.4mm
15th 1.4mm
16th 8.6mm
17th 0.4mm

Mylnefield
14th 16.2mm
15th 2.2mm
16th 9.4mm
17th 0.2mm

The pitch was never going to recover from the Thursday let alone the Saturday night rain

Rough guesstimate is approx 150000l of water fell on that pitch from Thursday.

Even 6mm is nearly 40000l
Ffs.
 
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.


...wow.
 
I fucking love the madness international break:)
Its barely started.

This place is mental.

OP starts it off with Columbo of the meteorological world with an investigation into a bit of heavy rain on a shite fitba' park in Scotland.

One guy tells him he's wrong and he comes back swinging.

Another says the OP needs his hole.

Big Jock shows up demanding that golf courses have Stevenson weather gauges

Another John Fish shows up with data from Sepa gauges (me either)

And we're barely 20 posts into the thread


When's our next game ?
 
Its barely started.

This place is mental.

OP starts it off with Columbo of the meteorological world with an investigation into a bit of heavy rain on a shite fitba' park in Scotland.

One guy tells him he's wrong and he comes back swinging.

Another says the OP needs his hole.

Big Jock shows up demanding that golf courses have Stevenson weather gauges

Another John Fish shows up with data from Sepa gauges (me either)

And we're barely 20 posts into the thread


When's our next game ?
And they say you’re mad…John.
 
Funny mate, because I spend a wee bit of time on Google and fans can potentially use the info to make a claim for travel, food, accommodation, time off work etc.? That's what happens when you go legal, you need some evidence - if the basis of the late call off, after he tried to embarrass our club and supporters, was 12mm of rainfall (not the expected 6mm).

Or are you happy for people to keep talking absolute nonsense in this country and getting away with it? You happy for the first team of our club to be standing around in the cold in Dundee on a Sunday, happy for supporters to be travelling from all round the UK - when both groups could have spent the day with their families after a Sat evening call off?
Aye very good - calm down :D

All you’re doing is providing evidence to prove my original point.
 
Is that the 4th time Dundee have been “caught out” by the weather.

The ground was a shambles and looked like travellers with their caravans had been camped in all winter long.

The only way to get them to act is a fine and final warning. Total laughing stock the whole thing but perversely it may be for the better as our players would have got injured no doubt on that surface.
 
The correct answer is Dundee had no intention of protecting their pitch and wanted it unplayable (For us) but the game to go ahead and them to get the advantage of a coo field. They gambled and it failed spectacularly.
Every single fan should, as a minimum, be returned the price of the ticket and given access into the rearranged game for nothing at Dundee’s cost.
 
Funny mate, because I spend a wee bit of time on Google and fans can potentially use the info to make a claim for travel, food, accommodation, time off work etc.? That's what happens when you go legal, you need some evidence - if the basis of the late call off, after he tried to embarrass our club and supporters, was 12mm of rainfall (not the expected 6mm).

Or are you happy for people to keep talking absolute nonsense in this country and getting away with it? You happy for the first team of our club to be standing around in the cold in Dundee on a Sunday, happy for supporters to be travelling from all round the UK - when both groups could have spent the day with their families after a Sat evening call off?

Rofl man.

Let me know how you get on when you 'go legal'.

Genuinely find this hilarious on so many levels.

The fact that you talk about needing evidence then the 'evidence' you offer up is disproved quickly and not even relevant to the reason it was called off.

Step back and take a deep breath.

The pitch was waterlogged and fucked. It's happened before and it'll happen again.

The Dundee chairman was out trying to put as positive a spin on it as he could, as is his job as the Dundee chairman. He was talking pish of course but that's what he's expected to do. It's weird he's triggered you so hard.
 
Nelms is a sleekit bastard and after his and Dundee’s antics with Emailgate I wouldn’t trust a thing the prick says

He’s a proven liar with zero credibility

Unfortunately the SPL and this kid on investigation is pointless as they will do nothing

Dundee used to be a decent wee club. Not now after the Yanks invested and Nelms is not trustworthy so fcuk him
 
Funny mate, because I spend a wee bit of time on Google and fans can potentially use the info to make a claim for travel, food, accommodation, time off work etc.? That's what happens when you go legal, you need some evidence - if the basis of the late call off, after he tried to embarrass our club and supporters, was 12mm of rainfall (not the expected 6mm).

Or are you happy for people to keep talking absolute nonsense in this country and getting away with it? You happy for the first team of our club to be standing around in the cold in Dundee on a Sunday, happy for supporters to be travelling from all round the UK - when both groups could have spent the day with their families after a Sat evening call off?
I’d be asking why our lads were stood around outside and not indoors or in the bus chilling out
 
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

Good research mate and good points, but it's a long winded way of saying that he's lying through his teeth. The guy comes across as a professional bullshitter.
 
Dundee used to be a decent wee club, Nelms has left it's reputation in tatters after the email gate scandal.

The four call offs have only reinforced that he is driving them into the ground.
 
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

Get a life ffs.
 
They’ve not bothered their arse to attend to the pitch after playing on Thursday night as they wanted it to be a coo field for Rangers visit on Sunday,the rain has come on and turned it into a bigger mire than they intended,this shambles should see them hammered especially as its the fourth time their pitch has been unplayable
 
I didn't read it, but are they seriously arguing that 12 fu**ing mm of rain overnight is enough to make their pitch unplayable?!!!! If it was a foot of rain, then fair enough, but just over a centimetre?!!!

Get this diddy mob out the league or make them play in another stadium, that is just embarrassing.
 
So the bold Nelms made the claim that they, Dundee Spam Email FC, had 12 mm of rain the night before the game when 6 mm was expected. From world weather online for Dundee there was only 3.1mm of rain for the 36 hour period up to the 12 noon kickoff!

Given he was expecting 6mm of rain, this probably meant he didn't feel the need to inform our club that the game was in doubt, given if the 6mm fell as he expected it would - then the game would be on.

So he felt confident our first team squad could turn up and hang around his wee tinpot stadium in the cold, and wait for the referees to go through the motions.

It got me thinking today - how did he know how much rain fell overnight? Where is it actually measured ? Did he have a measuring jug out on the pitch? - this is not my specialist subject (neither do I think it's his), so I've had a Google.

Well according to world weather online and giving him the benefit of the doubt and a large window of analysis, from midnight Saturday to midday Sunday there was 3.1mm of rain recorded for Dundee which is nearly 50% of the total 6mm he expected Saturday night, and only 25.8% of his reported 12 mm rainfall.

Furthermore, if 12 mm really did fall overnight (and we have no measure of this) this would amount to 1.6 % of Dundee's total rainfall for an average year (716mm), in a 12 hour window (again generous time period). Put into context if everything was averaged out Dundee could expect .93mm rainfall as an average over 12 hours, so if we take Nelms' measure of this, 12 mm would equate to 770% increase in rainfall compared to an average Dundee night (clearly March is a better weather month than Oct- Feb for instance).

Anyway, I think you are all getting where I am coming from and would be great if someone better with words than me could put all this into a summary.

I understand your frustration, but there was someone posting on here from Dundee on Saturday night who was concerned about the amount of rain that was falling and saying that the match could be in doubt. I think ‘eyes on the ground’ is probably a better indicator of actual rainfall.
Dundee deserve a lot of criticism over this debacle, but it doesn’t seem that the amount of rain falling is the main issue in that respect.
 
What benefit would it be to Dundee for the game to have been called off?

Don’t trust Nelms or Dundee

Remember Gordon Strachan is involved at Dundee and has some involvement at Bheast FC alongside his son on the scums coaching team and that’s where my scepticism comes in

Do we now have to play 3 games in 8 days prior to the scum at Ibrox or will we get a date for the replay that Rangers want or will the SPL a force us to play 2/3 April ?

It’s mistrust I have due to previous skulduggery that’s went on in the past with Dundee and they way they manipulated the vote in 2020 to their benefit and quite frankly as Nelms has already admitted he is a supporter of scum fc so there is another reason I think Dundee are at it
 
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That's all speculation, what isn't though is the pitch was a mess. How can a club across the road maintain a pitch in the same weather conditions but Dundee can't.
Spot on. Facts - 4 matches at Dens cancelled, they knew enough at 5am to get staff out, the muddy parts weren’t caused just by rain, pitch rules say drainage should prevent pitches becoming waterlogged. And so on.
 
Pitch Condition
H11 Each Club shall ensure that the field of play at its Registered Ground and at any other
ground at which it is the Home Club for a League Match or Play-Off Match is:-
H11.1 smooth and in good condition and repair; and
H11.2 equipped with an efficient and effective drainage system so that it cannot become unplayable due to flooding.
H12 The Board may, without prejudice to any sanction that might be imposed on a Club for failure to comply with Rule H11, require the Club concerned to take such steps within such time and on such conditions as the Board shall specify, if the Board is not satisfied that the Club concerned is complying or has complied in all respects with Rule H11.

They can bleat about it all they want, they have a stadium that isn’t fit for purpose and they have done nothing to rectify it.
 
Funny mate, because I spend a wee bit of time on Google and fans can potentially use the info to make a claim for travel, food, accommodation, time off work etc.? That's what happens when you go legal, you need some evidence - if the basis of the late call off, after he tried to embarrass our club and supporters, was 12mm of rainfall (not the expected 6mm).

Or are you happy for people to keep talking absolute nonsense in this country and getting away with it? You happy for the first team of our club to be standing around in the cold in Dundee on a Sunday, happy for supporters to be travelling from all round the UK - when both groups could have spent the day with their families after a Sat evening call off?
Great work mate but the only thing you didn’t look at was the water table and the saturation point of the actual pitch, our greens can be off after 1.5 MM of rain if the ground is still saturated from prior rainfall day’s before and we have good drainage.
 
Fair enough, didn't see this site - but still only showing 9.2mm over the same period, it's just the bold - 'we had 12mm of rain last night and expecting 6mm'. Whole thing a shambles.
Do football clubs not have covers like tennis and cricket for such an occasion?
 
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