DelMarSunset
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Not backing Gerrard was the start of the most recent downturn. That mob were a shambles and we were absolutely flying... £10-15m spent that summer could have meant we were out of sight for a few years
With their mentality and hatred for us, they know we are weak when we play them and will win. Against the likes of Hearts and Killie, they will drop points as their desire to beat them is not as it is against us.I get the scum have a lot more money than us due to years of free hits at CL money.
But see if we did just once what Hearts have done twice this season, and beat them, we'd be sitting level on points with them with 2 games to go. That's before you consider all the other teams that have also taken points off them.
My point is that if all these other teams, with a budget a lot less than ours, can regularly take points off celtic, they why can't we? That's literally what the difference has been this season. It's frustrating as %^*&.
Agree with a lot of thisWe waste a ridiculous amount of money on a ridiculously regular basis. Numerous court cases lost, money spent on longer term projects before we've sorted the key driver of future revenue(the football side) as two examples away from the football side.
On the football side, our recruitment is consistently dire, we pay a fortune in wages to players who simply don't justify it and we have carried a massive squad full of players who are not good enough, constantly injured or both. We struggle to move those players on and we have basically only managed once to move a "sellable asset" at his peak value(Bassey). Putting so much trust in Ross Wilson was a huge error and one which has now cost us for three seasons in succession.
We’ve won a title, been to a European final, and have a similar or higher wage bill than them.
If we had recruited better players and better managers, no one would be saying the ramifications of 2012 were affecting us.
Agree with a lot of this
Around Wilson yes we put to much faith in him but I also think board had his hand tied behind his back.
Take tillman I actually think that was more mackay than Wilson but he takes the credit.
Then you have the bacuna deal a free with 50% sell on clause its bizarre and not the market we should be operating in ..... that signing came down to the board saying no money for me.
I don't think Gerrard ever got on with him either as he was there for the board more and to raise his own profile.
Nearly every decision we have made at boardroom level since 55 has been wrong.
We didn't invest after 55, one more year of tactical investment. They did tells us the losses were covered by insurance......... not sure they have ever been put back into the accounts.
After seville selling bassey and cl qualification we didn't sell players that needed to be sold and what we recruited gio rarely players apart from tillman....... still relief on arfield.
Built neh instead and boasted about a profit in accounts where most of us realised is only temp if we didn't get 2/3 seasons winning the league.
They are now making same mistakes selling half the car park
The board room needs gutted as much as anything or at least new people with longer term funding plan growth.
I absolutely hate when people say that players "deserve another year" or similar.We are too loyal to players that are past it. We need to move these guys on quicker. Who cares if they were good players for us in the past there comes a time to move them out.
That's the bottom line mate, they've recruited better than us .In many other leagues, we’d possibly say we weren’t in a terrible place.
In Scotland, it’s a catastrophe being a few points behind our rivals.
They have recruited better than us. Simple as that.
No I get that but ultimately it potentially added a least a quality playerNEH and the costs associated with it would not have done anything to assist the team in the short term. Not like it would have all be spent on players at one time, and there's also zero guarantee what we did spend on would have been the required quality given patchy recruitment record in recent times.
There were Rangers fans who warned everybody of the dark days ahead, nobody wanted to know and they took abuse for it.In May 2011, I had absolutely no thoughts whatsoever that any type of bad days were ahead of us.
No I get that but ultimately it potentially added a least a quality player
Yes I neh well make us money longer term. But it should have been pushed back until we were more stable financially in a sense
Just like the bid for morelos should have been accepted with at least half it going back into n the team.
Players in last year of deal should have been sold for what we could yes player has power but if it meant incentives to player to go its what has to be done
Not signing players on punts who have fallen on wayside which seemed to be our model
Our 2 most successful sales are 2 young players one from our academy and Bassey your could add aribo/kamara as good bits of business.
We need to be managed well but we are not
We were in debt that season. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge that.Failed to back Gerrard yet gave his replacements a small fortune to waste. We're mismanaged all over the place
New edminston house cost somewhere between 8 and 12 million was the figures banned about the money came out the club funds until sponsorships started to be taken and the request for lifetime mygers memberships.It really wouldn't have allowed us to add a quality player at all.
Spunking god knows how much on NEH that will "hopefully" return a profit of £1m a year in the future was a terrible decision. That yearly profit is half of what the club make in one night for a Europa League game on ticket sales alone
Exactly how I see it.Scottish football revolves around two teams. When one gets treated the way we were in 2012 then it is inevitable a huge gap opens. Celtic were given a straight entry to CL cash for nearly a decade.
The 55 season should have been the start of the reset although Kings wild statement about Celtic folding like a pack of cards wasn’t helpful for fan expectations. We should have won the EL but we definitely looked like Rangers again.
We had the perfect window in terms of cash coming in but didn’t back GVB despite CL qualification. Beale was a disaster and he reversed all the momentum by having a dreadful summer window where we signed some very average players and didn’t replace those on their last legs.
Our hands were tied in the Jan window either by FFP or that we simply didn’t have the cash. Despite that we worked the loan system well and the league was there for the taking. Disaster struck with the worst injury crisis I can remember. Yesterday we could have had a front three of Cortes, Danilo and Sima.
I actually get the covid season but what gets me is the board said they were covered for the losses but I don't think they have ever been realised in the accountsWe were in debt that season. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge that.
I don't think there's anything in the red bull rumours, why a huge name like them would want to get involved in Scottish football is beyond me. They can easily get involved with the bigger countries.A lot of the issues pre date 2012. Murray originally planned that the expansion of Ibrox would mean 59500 seats then he changed it to accommodate screens. That immediately gave the scum 10000 more revenue annually. Then came 2012 the club was sold to one very “questionable” person to another. Eventually we came out of the mess but the damage over a decade was massive. When Park took over we got #55 but he reneged on backing Gerrard. So we lost the best manager we’ve had post Sir Walter. Appointing GVB was a mistake he’d left a major European club and his only job offer was China then Beale who was a coach and no more and didn’t have the gravitas to manage Rangers. As for PC I’m seeing another GVB yesterday was a masterclass in how not to manage a team at the scum hut.
Then we have the recruitment now whatever you think Tav and Goldson have been robust and been able to play. How many guys do we sign with injuries who amazingly are injured? There’s no question that playing for us requires a level of robustness above and beyond normal. Equally look at players we’ve paid fees for and compare it to them. What did they pay for O’Reilly? It’s a shambles. In my opinion we need new owners who can really invest (not looking for a return) like the rumours that Red Bull were looking to buy us. People threw their hands up in horror but why? We need radical change now.
55 was the moment to break it. They were in disarray and we didn't capitalise on it.Let’s be honest for a second, it’s been extremely difficult to be a Rangers fan the past 15 years. Even the last few title wins under Walter we knew dark days were ahead, although no one could imagine how dark they’ve been. With the exception of 55 and getting to the Europa League final it’s been bleak. Even at that 55 was won with no fans and we lost the final.
My question is why is it we keep getting dragged back into these awful situations? We’ve been back in the top flight for some time. Since then we’ve been in a constant loop of building for something that’s returned next to nothing domestically. We spend a fortune for no success, sell some players, lose some players for free then spend a fortune again. How long can this continue for before the club cannot afford to buy new players?
Although the fans are loyal and we keep putting our hands in our pockets for season tickets, merchandise and hospitality I feel people are at their wits end with the team. Another year for any of Tav, Goldson, Roofe or a contract for Lundstram or Jack will send many over the edge.
How do we break this horrendous cycle?
Leadership. By Men. Or the lack of.Let’s be honest for a second, it’s been extremely difficult to be a Rangers fan the past 15 years. Even the last few title wins under Walter we knew dark days were ahead, although no one could imagine how dark they’ve been. With the exception of 55 and getting to the Europa League final it’s been bleak. Even at that 55 was won with no fans and we lost the final.
My question is why is it we keep getting dragged back into these awful situations? We’ve been back in the top flight for some time. Since then we’ve been in a constant loop of building for something that’s returned next to nothing domestically. We spend a fortune for no success, sell some players, lose some players for free then spend a fortune again. How long can this continue for before the club cannot afford to buy new players?
Although the fans are loyal and we keep putting our hands in our pockets for season tickets, merchandise and hospitality I feel people are at their wits end with the team. Another year for any of Tav, Goldson, Roofe or a contract for Lundstram or Jack will send many over the edge.
How do we break this horrendous cycle?
Tbh mate, I'm only going by what I read on here. These type of things go over my head.I actually get the covid season but what gets me is the board said they were covered for the losses but I don't think they have ever been realised in the accounts
Ie the scum have quite publicly shown the insurance cover paid to them
I did we were already hearing about financial mismanagement on a grand scale by Murray.
What were the warnings?There were Rangers fans who warned everybody of the dark days ahead, nobody wanted to know and they took abuse for it.
How right they were.
Yep we need some players who might not be pretty on the eye, but do a job none the less.Leadership. By Men. Or the lack of.
Our Chairman Murray ruined the club he was supposed to be Custodian of.
Then lack of leadership from people on and off the pitch. Like Caixhina, Beale, Wilson. And the same on the pitch with no figures there like a Gough, or a Greig.
Leadership by strong men is what we need
Happen to think that Clement has a backbone and wants to win trophies with us. Lets hope he can pick men with character to build his own team. Clear out unmotivated underachievers and find good, fit hungry winners.
Winners, fighters, grafters.Yep we need some players who might not be pretty on the eye, but do a job none the less.
The vast majority of this is absolute nonsenseWon’t be a popular opinion but we are out thought and out fought at every stage.
They club refuse to call out the media and defend the club
Ceptic have placement at the top of the media, government, sfa etc and they pull these levers to gain advantages while we sit back and accept it
Been going in for years and for every overt example e.g “ tour of Japan” there are multiple examples of covert dealings e.g Dundee email”
We will never fully recover from Murray and his strategies”
This board see the fans as cash cows to be miked and for every fan who buys in to the mygers tax there is one who refuse to do so and stops going to games because they can’t get tickets.
No surprise they get 4 of the last 5 games at home and we haven’t had a Saturday home game since March
The younger supporters are being frozen out due to lack of tickets and will get out the habit of going to games
We have a fractious support with a lot of infighting and mygers have only widened the divisions
To many issues to see any resolution soon but the boards mantra is if I don’t renew my season ticket there’s someone waiting to take it
Probably being paranoid but been going to Ibrox for 45 years and travel from Essex for every home game so spend a lot of money supporting rangers and am now seriously questioning “why” when the club clearly don’t value the supporters
Maybe a year or two before, when we were buying nobody, that was probably true but most would have thought that being able to sign Jelavic, Naismith etc. would be the end of it.I did we were already hearing about financial mismanagement on a grand scale by Murray.
Was at AGM’s when people were asking questions of Murray.What were the warnings?
Smith stepping down?
McCoist stepping up?
Whyte not being up to it?
Whyte being the qunt he turned out to be.
What do you want to hear from the chairman? Last time he did an interview he got absolutely slaughtered. We have quarterly CEO fans forums where the board are on stage taking questions on an open forum- something that has never been done before by Rangers. What more do you really expect?Spivs set is back years but a series of dubious appointments like Pedro and Beale, wild spending on dross, a weak board who seem to get more things wrong than right and get off Scott free.
They talked about a trading model then don't take it seriously.
I've no idea what the strategy is for the club as the current one, whatever it is doesn't seem ro be working and a new ambitious, aggressive yet sensible approach is needed as plodding on as is shouldn't be an option.
We get patronising pish letters at renewal time and hear nothing on how these guys are going to take us forward.
Best in class remember that? Well it was nothing more than a soundbite and we hear nowt from our chairman and board.
There were Rangers fans who got together and had it worked out that we were heading for a financial disaster. They took abuse from others when they were trying to warn all about what was looming.What were the warnings?
Smith stepping down?
McCoist stepping up?
Whyte not being up to it?
Whyte being the qunt he turned out to be.
You are spot on, it is that simple. The corporate board have done a brilliant job from a business perspective. They have hit every target set in 2015, exceeded in some cases.i tend to take a rather simplistic view to most things in life, and for me if things are not going as we think they should , then focus attention on those at the top,if things at the top of any organisation are not functioning to the very best that they should, then that will filter its way down the line,
Perhaps deliver what he was on about?What do you want to hear from the chairman? Last time he did an interview he got absolutely slaughtered. We have quarterly CEO fans forums where the board are on stage taking questions on an open forum- something that has never been done before by Rangers. What more do you really expect?
I do remember the AGM and the other talk.Was at AGM’s when people were asking questions of Murray.
Remember especially the time at Royal Concert Hall AGM where he said, what are you worried about ? As long as I’m here we’re good, all covered, am here for the long term and my son will move in after me.
Got a clap for that and everyone moved on.
Well, his son was nowhere near us as I’m not sure he was up to running anything and Murray shat himself when the financial crash happened. Kept his Vineyards in France though..
Worst man ever to walk through the front door of Ibrox.
That's going to happen anyway and let's be honest, nobody outside of Scotland gives a f**k about that. Says a lot about the state of the game in this country when 2 clubs are having a ding dong about most trophies won, with the rest miles behind.We're back to blaming 2012 again. Despite years of record income, player sales, investment up and down the club, runs in Europe, spending a fortune on signings. We are past it. The people running the club are business guys, not football guys. The players despite being on massive wages aren't simply good enough and the people in between aren't doing enough to bridge the gap. All the bad seasons have been helped somewhat by Europe and who has benefited from it? Not us anyway. The whole cycle we are in is disgusting and it'll not be until 'the world's most successful club' is getting g scraped off the walls will some people actually realise how bad it is at the core
Bisgrove did not bring in a Director of Football. He split the role in two.The only thing Bisgrove is guilty of is trusting Beale and giving him a free reign at blowing the budget.
He learned from that and brought in a DOF.
What else do you want him to do?
Everyone is fed up. I’m pretty sure the chairman will be too. Moaning about not hearing from the chairman is a different matter entirely. Murray was on STV news every other week talking- did that make things any better?Perhaps deliver what he was on about?
We just seem to plod on. Need investment. Need better players and rid of serial losers and unfit and unsuitable players.
Just fed up with another season where we need a huge rebuild after it. We can't afford to do it year after year.
Go back further to Murray when he put the club in with all his other business interests and leveraged himself up.What were the warnings?
Smith stepping down?
McCoist stepping up?
Whyte not being up to it?
Whyte being the qunt he turned out to be.
One massive difference between then and now.it was pretty much a level playing field and it’s a completely different ball game now.We need a 1985/86 reset ,with a new mr holmes (and marlborough) at the helm.
Gut the place top to bottom,from boardroom to team/backroom ,get rid of the dead/rotten wood within our club ,get fresh blood,ideas and energy in and start moving forwards again.
We did it before and we can do it again ,get the infrastructure and basics right and we have a base to work from,any troughers in the boardroom who are holding us back,need jetisoned quickly,along with players not up for the demands and challenges of being an employee of rangers football club.
We are a worldwide brand and institution and we need to start living up to the standards and expectations that brings and quickly.