monkey magic
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Do people really say, as an example, that so-and-so defender had a Holocaust of a game. ? That's spectacular ignorance and stupidity.
I have and just read countless Jewish posters on Social media going mental and saying he deserves to be sacked.I strongly suggest you read up on what the Jewish community's take on the use of the word 'holocaust' is.
To make it easier for you, they make a distinction between The Holocaust and holocaust.
Perhaps you should not be declaring a whole race of people 'offended' when they themselves declare openly that they are not?
I know but, some people are just pig ignorant.Do people really say, as an example, that so-and-so defender had a Holocaust of a game. ? That's spectacular ignorance and stupidity.
Ahh, Twitter, that well know source of rational debate...I have and just read countless Jewish posters on Social media going mental and saying he deserves to be sacked.
Well said. Can't seem to bring up anything here without racism being brought into it.Neither are good but aye that's considerably worse. Absolute moron
He comes cross as incredibly thick to be fair.How thick do you need to be to become a professional footballer?
Sure this lack of intelligence was already known when he not only signed for them but thought winning a Scottish cup tie for you 3 points?
Thick players will have to go a long way to top the offensive stupidity of Geoff Hurst, who while sitting next to Garth Crooks on a World Cup panel, suggested a team with an outside chance to win it said "they could be the n****r in the woodpile."
It's a stupid word to use. Insensitive even.It is about intent. Nothing more and nothing less.
Did he use it to directly compare The Holocaust to a petty game of football in order to trivialise what happened to the Jews or did he use a word that means to 'obliterate' to describe a team being obliterated?
We all know the answer and all know, deep down, that intent is ignored in favour of allowing folk to broadcast to the world just how right on they are.
Only became used in relation to that after the 70s series of the same name starring Meryl Streep.Just out of human decency it is a word which should be avoided unless used in its postwar context.
Maybe so however it is synonymous with the murder of millions of Jews. The word as you describe it doesnt suit the context of a football match either.There is literally nothing wrong with what he said. The word existed long before what happened in WW2 and means that many things will be destroyed/people killed. It was used to describe what would happen during a nuclear war, amongst other things.
Less facts, more wokery and fake offendedness please.There is literally nothing wrong with what he said. The word existed long before what happened in WW2 and means that many things will be destroyed/people killed. It was used to describe what would happen during a nuclear war, amongst other things.
There are countless occasions where words nothing to do with football are used to describe football. We had one earlier in this thread when someone called the result a massacre.Maybe so however it is synonymous with the murder of millions of Jews. The word as you describe it doesnt suit the context of a football match either.
Unless you're Carlton Cole you don't know that. You can say, in your opinion you didn't think it was but, you can't speak for ColeThere are countless occasions where words nothing to do with football are used to describe football. We had one earlier in this thread when someone called the result a massacre.
When a player has ' a nightmare' is he thrashing around on the floor, asleep, dreaming of demons and being unable to run?
When a team is under the cosh, is someone stood over them with a weighted stick?
When a team have lost heavily have they really been battered to within an inch of their lives?
It was insensitive and in this day and age, bloody stupid.
What it was not was intentionally anti-Semitic or deliberately offensive.
Thick players will have to go a long way to top the offensive stupidity of Geoff Hurst, who while sitting next to Garth Crooks on a World Cup panel, suggested a team with an outside chance to win it said "they could be the n****r in the woodpile."
Actually, because we live in a Western liberal democracy with an age old, tried and tested justice system, I absolutely can state that a man (or woman) is innocent and it is absolutely 100% beholden on you to prove that wrong.Unless you're Carlton Cole you don't know that. You can say, in your opinion you didn't think it was but, you can't speak for Cole
Ok Carlton. .Actually, because we live in a Western liberal democracy with an age old, tried and tested justice system, I absolutely can state that a man (or woman) is innocent and it is absolutely 100% beholden on you to prove that wrong.
I was told that before that, Holocaust was normally used to describe a disastrous fireOnly became used in relation to that after the 70s series of the same name starring Meryl Streep.
My grandmother used to knit many many years ago and I remember her talking about brown wool that she bought and that was how it was described.
So you feel you should be allowed to call someone racist or anti-Semitic despite his denial and without any burden of proof?Ok Carlton. .
I think you should re-read this threadSo you feel you should be allowed to call someone racist or anti-Semitic despite his denial and without any burden of proof?
Pointless discussion in that case.
You do not actually know what you are trying to sayI think you should re-read this thread
You aren't Carlton Cole and you don't know why he said what he did. I Didn't say he was guilty or innocent, I said his comment were insensitive to the Jewish Community and especially so on the start of Hanukkah.
Now, you just go and bore someone else as I've said all I need to to you.
Unless you're Carlton Cole you don't know that. You can say, in your opinion you didn't think it was but, you can't speak for Cole
I do know, it's you that thinks he's Carlton Cole..You do not actually know what you are trying to say
We both say he was insensitive and I am pretty sure we agree it was stupid.
The funny part is tha5t you are claiming not to be calling him anti-Semitic, while at the same time trying to tell me I cannot say he was not being anti-Semitic.
You have tied yourself in absolute knots trying to be all offended on behalf of a group you are not part of.
Magic behaviour. Night night son.
That's astonishing. Person should be permabanned for thatIt was used on a thread this week. To describe OUR captain.
Think Souness said the same thing on Sky onceReminds me of when Alan Pardew hit out with “Absolutely raped him” in Match of the Day.
And nobody batted an eyelid . . .
I see your point. But there is also a distinction between ‘personal’ language and ‘professional’ language.There is literally nothing wrong with what he said. The word existed long before what happened in WW2 and means that many things will be destroyed/people killed. It was used to describe what would happen during a nuclear war, amongst other things.
I’m pretty sure most in here would agree that the Jews get a raw deal in terms of where they fit in the ‘is it ok to offend them-ometer’. But there’s no malicious intention here whatsoever-stupid thing to say but that’s it.I do know, it's you that thinks he's Carlton Cole..
I'm also not "trying to be offended" I have Jewish relatives and know for certain they would be offended and that they are sick and tired of the Jewish faith being abused and for it being alright to use terms and language that are insulting and offensive to jews
Now, for the last time You're not Carlton Cole, you have zero idea of why he said what he did.
Now, stop boring me.
You're not into woke culture but get offended by that. I think you need to reevaluate what you think you are/are notSaid that City Vs West Ham could be a "Holocaust" I mean I hate 'woke' culture as much as anyone but think before you speak Carlton FFS.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-West-Hams-clash-against-Manchester-City.html
"my attitude"I’m pretty sure most in here would agree that the Jews get a raw deal in terms of where they fit in the ‘is it ok to offend them-ometer’. But there’s no malicious intention here whatsoever-stupid thing to say but that’s it.
I’m sorry but it’s people with your attitude who are turning the world into a strange and polarised place these days.
Was it in the States? Although the word has no racial origins it has been adopted in the States by smart arse racists (see Celtic fans saying ‘you okay, Hun?).like when Christopher Hitchens was thrown off an interview for saying the word '*****rdly'.
"you people""my attitude"
Where did I say I was offended? I think you need to simmer down and stop presuming you know what my beliefs and feelings are which you have done by assuming my intent for posting this.You're not into woke culture but get offended by that. I think you need to reevaluate what you think you are/are not
Joey Barton was hung out to dry by making the same commentSaid that City Vs West Ham could be a "Holocaust" I mean I hate 'woke' culture as much as anyone but think before you speak Carlton FFS.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-West-Hams-clash-against-Manchester-City.html
Prey tell what that has to do with a game of football?There is literally nothing wrong with what he said. The word existed long before what happened in WW2 and means that many things will be destroyed/people killed. It was used to describe what would happen during a nuclear war, amongst other things.
No offense was intended he’s just a bit thick.today is the first day of Hanukkah so, it was pretty damn disrespectful and offensive to the Jewish faith. What do you think his intent was with his choice of words?
'You've got to give Man City some respect,' Cole said, 'otherwise you're going to get picked off and then it's going to be a holocaust, and you don't want that.'
So, I take it from his comments that he thinks the scoreline could be a massacre if Man city pick off The Hammers .. that all sounds very offensive to the Jewish faith to me and especially so on the start of Hanukkah..