westenclosurebear
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In what respect ?
The thread is riddled with it. If you were over 16 back then it should be obvious.
In what respect ?
This all day. Don’t care how he left, the job he has done for us I will always thank him for. From the team he took over finishing behind a poor Aberdeen team in the league to now is unbelievable and in a few years time when people have chilled out a bit he will get the recognition he deserves.Neither did Gerrard, however Gerrard is responsible for stopping 10iar,an invincible season, our best ever points total in a league season and restoring our pride in Europe.
Souness didn't leave us with four games to go, he wanted to see the season out but was forced out the door.Souness left us with about 4 games to go in a very close league season. Gerrard left before a cup semi.
I remember the Souness departure very well, the bitterness around Gerrard is nowhere near how people felt towards Souness and what he did.
We all mellow with time and Souness is now back to hero status, Gerrard will get the same.
What players have been saying this and to who? I’ve not heard anything like he wasn’t at training for a month, If so then he should have been disciplined by the board, didn’t hear anything like that happening either.Souness also never left us right before a cup final and having players now openly telling people that the manager wasn’t present at training for a month
Nice to see the internet isn't entirely responsible for the over the top reactions in our support.Front page of FF fanzine with the headline “shoot souness win a metro”
I agree with what your saying about gerrard and people need to get a grip, he left us 4 points ahead it was a perfect time to leave, there's always a game of huge importance, he had lost focus but he had been here almost 3 1/2 years, who knows maybe there was good reason for being home alot . Getting back to the souness part he was asked twice before to go to Liverpool he declined until they came back a 3rd time, by this time souness and the sfa were constantly at war, souness was far too big a personality for them and they were banning him for anything they could, souness wanted to go at the eos murray said 'go now' and the rest is history.Souness left us with about 4 games to go in a very close league season. Gerrard left before a cup semi.
I remember the Souness departure very well, the bitterness around Gerrard is nowhere near how people felt towards Souness and what he did.
We all mellow with time and Souness is now back to hero status, Gerrard will get the same.
Walter was the undisputed choice from the players and David Murray simply backed them.He left us in the capable hands of the one and only Walter Smith.
No one knew that at the time though. You can’t use 30 years worth of hindsight ffs.
I meant no one knew he was going to be a success.Walter was the undisputed choice from the players and David Murray simply backed them.
He tried to take Walter with him,but Walter felt it wasn't right for him and that's straight from Mr Smith himself,so he left no succession plan.He left us in the capable hands of the one and only Walter Smith.
The way I remember it.Souness left us with about 4 games to go in a very close league season. Gerrard left before a cup semi.
I remember the Souness departure very well, the bitterness around Gerrard is nowhere near how people felt towards Souness and what he did.
We all mellow with time and Souness is now back to hero status, Gerrard will get the same.
I was about 13 when Souness left, so I will allow myself being naive and immature to be fair.Souness didn't leave us with four games to go, he wanted to see the season out but was forced out the door.
The bitterness back then is the same as it is now.
Niave and immature.
Football is a profession and supporters need to understand why professionals are driven by different imperatives.
Hard as it is to take sometimes, this is how life is.
Souness didn’t leave he was told to go, he wanted to stay until the season was done unlike Gerrard.Souness left us with about 4 games to go in a very close league season. Gerrard left before a cup semi.
I remember the Souness departure very well, the bitterness around Gerrard is nowhere near how people felt towards Souness and what he did.
We all mellow with time and Souness is now back to hero status, Gerrard will get the same.
There was bitterness.I do not remember bitterness toward Souness.
He left for the one club we knew he would.
He also offered to stay and see the season out.
He left a succession plan behind and a very able one at that.
Aye, was wondering what this succession plan was, can't have been Walter taking his place as he wanted Walter to go to Liverpool with him. Thankfully the great man said no and the rest is history.There was plenty bitterness towards Souness.
What succession plan are you talking about?
Appears the thread is split so there is no obvious just opinions which I believe is why we have this forum.The thread is riddled with it. If you were over 16 back then it should be obvious.
Walter Smith was given an entire season knowing he would leave at the end of it.I was about 13 when Souness left, so I will allow myself being naive and immature to be fair.
He wasn’t forced out the door, he made it clear his future was elsewhere, and under those circumstances he had to go.
Sunday night. Fs, here we go.Souness also never left us right before a cup final and having players now openly telling people that the manager wasn’t present at training for a month
Precisely...and that's why even the most unlikely events happen in professional football (like Mo Johnstone signing for Rangers for example).Souness didn't leave us with four games to go, he wanted to see the season out but was forced out the door.
The bitterness back then is the same as it is now.
Niave and immature.
Football is a profession and supporters need to understand why professionals are driven by different imperatives.
Hard as it is to take sometimes, this is how life is.
He wanted Walter to go with him.I do not remember bitterness toward Souness.
He left for the one club we knew he would.
He also offered to stay and see the season out.
He left a succession plan behind and a very able one at that.
He did want to see out the season from memory. Murray told him he was leaving right away.Souness left us with about 4 games to go in a very close league season. Gerrard left before a cup semi.
I remember the Souness departure very well, the bitterness around Gerrard is nowhere near how people felt towards Souness and what he did.
We all mellow with time and Souness is now back to hero status, Gerrard will get the same.
Given what we know about Walters feelings when Jim McLean turned us down I think it’s a safe bet to assume Souness knew his answer.He wanted Walter to go with him.
I remember the first Smith ‘farewell’ season, and we lost ten in a row.Walter Smith was given an entire season knowing he would leave at the end of it.
Souness had agreed to take a new job and leave a short time later at a decent time when that season's job was finished.
This is the grown up workplace.
Murray behaved like a spoiled child.
But then we all now know that Murray was a rat.
13 year old's understand fckall about grown up things so I suppose you get a pass on that.
None. Because its a lie.
We have a director of football so the situations aren’t really comparable.Gerrard left us with no one , we don’t need 30 years of hindsight for that.
The answer should be clear but it appears not to all.Sourness was staring down the barrel of a 2 year touchline ban and was going to the club he made his name. Gerrard went to Villa. I know which one I understand better
This is hilarious. Souness arguably left us at a worse time you mentalist. Both of them did wonderful things for our club. We move and respect the place in our history both of them haveSouness also never left us right before a cup final and having players now openly telling people that the manager wasn’t present at training for a month
Martin Bain with a different title then.We have a director of football so the situations aren’t really comparable.
It isn't at all unusual in any profession.I remember the first Smith ‘farewell’ season, and we lost ten in a row.
I’m not a fan of people staying on once they have announced they are going, destabilises it even more when it is the manager.
Who's been openly telling folk that? Ive not seen anything and folk saying that, no doubt it would have made the media somewhere. Sounds like bitter nonsense in all honesty.Souness also never left us right before a cup final and having players now openly telling people that the manager wasn’t present at training for a month
It might’ve been up to Bain to look for a manager but it’s hardly the same. Football structures and modern DoF are a million miles from what they were then.Martin Bain with a different title then.
What was that? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just wasn't aware of that before.I do not remember bitterness toward Souness.
He left for the one club we knew he would.
He also offered to stay and see the season out.
He left a succession plan behind and a very able one at that.
Well covered above.What was that? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just wasn't aware of that before.
Souness was under fire in Scotland from numerous directions.Sourness was staring down the barrel of a 2 year touchline ban and was going to the club he made his name. Gerrard went to Villa. I know which one I understand better
He didn't then, because he wanted Walter with him. I'm not really an expert on Souness' time at Rangers, but looking at his career overall I don't think he was a great manager, and I don't Gerrard will be one either. The man we have now is better, as was Walter with Souness.Well covered above.
Given my opinion/answer on that already too , Walter was going nowhere.He didn't then, because he wanted Walter with him. I'm not really an expert on Souness' time at Rangers, but looking at his career overall I don't think he was a great manager, and I don't Gerrard will be one either. The man we have now is better, as was Walter with Souness.
Aye, Gerrard wasn't at training for a month. Think about it ffs.It’s not a lie. Beale was taking the majority of training this season and last. There was no issue made of it last year because we had success in the league. It’s then natural people make a big deal out of it this season because we’d been so poor.
I think murray always knew he had walter and knew he was ready, that's why I think he told souness to go and clear the decks so to speak.Souness was under fire in Scotland from numerous directions.
He was the focus for all the hatreds aimed at Rangers.
He was also on the verge of serious heart illness.
However he had insisted to Liverpool that he would stay at Ibrox until that season was finished because he wanted to make the break respectful.
Murray's reaction was kneejerk and quite honestly we were lucky that we had Walter to get us over the line.
There was no social media back then, fans were angry but it was more being concerned with the outcome of the last three games, one of them which we lost 3 nil v motherwell which put us in 2nd place to aberdeenThere was a lot of bitterness towards him at the time.
A month is a far stretch but was down half a weekAye, Gerrard wasn't at training for a month. Think about it ffs.
Has this been confirmed anywhere?It’s not a lie. Beale was taking the majority of training this season and last. There was no issue made of it last year because we had success in the league. It’s then natural people make a big deal out of it this season because we’d been so poor.
Which had nothing to do with Souness, who wanted Walter to join him.Given my opinion/answer on that already too , Walter was going nowhere.
Late to the thread but I’ll confirm this. I was told 2 years ago that things weren’t great behind closed doors, Gerrard was never there.Souness also never left us right before a cup final and having players now openly telling people that the manager wasn’t present at training for a month
No I don't think that was the case.I think murray always knew he had walter and knew he was ready, that's why I think he told souness to go and clear the decks so to speak.
Again see above.Which had nothing to do with Souness, who wanted Walter to join him.
I see it in my own workplace, they will make people work out their notice, you get a serious diminishing returns issue from them. I think it is a bigger issue in a company where you are the central figure. It tends to be why senior leaders can exit immediately from a business, or with a very short handover period.It isn't at all unusual in any profession.
Murray behaved like a tit over Souness.
But Murray was a wrong 'un.
Is that true??? Where did you hear that mate?Souness also never left us right before a cup final and having players now openly telling people that the manager wasn’t present at training for a month
It depends on the professional and how driven they are.I see it in my own workplace, they will make people work out their notice, you get a serious diminishing returns issue from them. I think it is a bigger issue in a company where you are the central figure. It tends to be why senior leaders can exit immediately from a business, or with a very short handover period.