Patrick Harvie tweet

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Calum955

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Patrick Harvie, leader of the Scottish Greens has just tweeted the following.
https://mobile.twitter.com/patrickh...0?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

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An absolutely ridiculous, defamatory attempt to besmirch the reputation of Rangers and Rangers fans. There is zero evidence to support his statement.
A tweet aimed to pander to a certain subset of people.
A Club1972 response to this and tweets from other politicians in recent days for use of the word hun and spreading the lie that Rangers fans were doing nazi salutes is 100% needed.
Maybe even a response from Rangers themselves.
 
Honestly anyone can take a free swipe on Rangers now a days

The GB march through the broomloan end, and constant IRA singing throughout the game (THAT WAS HEARD ON TV) have been completely over looked. Not to mention the coin throw that hit a wee boy in the Rangers end, and celtic fans ambushing a couple of straggling bears.

I despise the politicians in this country
 
sudamericaranger said:
They must love it when some idiot does a known facist salute at things like this. It plays right into their hands. Infuriating.
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No, the problem is people in public office knowingly spreading a lie. They know there were no nazi salutes. Yet they continue the lie because there will zero repercussions and it gains favour and political capital among a certain voter.
 
EBT's Loyal said:
Patrick Harvie, leader of the Scottish Greens has just tweeted the following.
https://mobile.twitter.com/patrickharvie/status/973163344424263680?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

dDxEiS



An absolutely ridiculous, defamatory attempt to besmirch the reputation of Rangers and Rangers fans. There is zero evidence to support his statement.
A tweet aimed to pander to a certain subset of people.
A Club1972 response to this and tweets from other politicians in recent days for use of the word hun and spreading the lie that Rangers fans were doing nazi salutes is 100% needed.
Maybe even a response from Rangers themselves.
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So this filthy rabid communist red shirt lefty who supports socialism which caannot be democratic or libertarian sits and calls Rangers fans "far-right" as if that's a bad thing because they dare to go out there in protest march against the attack on our freedom of speech!?

That's what happens when you dare stand up against filthy red shirts, they try to push Fascism off onto the right, even although Fascism is a collectivist system and is socialist, they'll attempt to label you as being Fascist, why? Because you dare to stand up for what is right and that is standing up for freedom of speech. If standing for liberty was oh so dangerous, what the hell do you call their socialist shite that led millions to their death bed?

Trust me, I'd happily take that socialist bastard to the cleaners in a one on one debate, I'd humiliate the prick.
 
FK1872 said:
Honestly anyone can take a free swipe on Rangers now a days

The GB march through the broomloan end, and constant IRA singing throughout the game (THAT WAS HEARD ON TV) have been completely over looked. Not to mention the coin throw that hit a wee boy in the Rangers end, and celtic fans ambushing a couple of straggling bears.

I despise the politicians in this country
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And the problem is - many bears, by voting for them, have put these khunts and the nhats in positions of power !!!
 
EBT's Loyal said:
No, the problem is people in public office knowingly spreading a lie. They know there were no nazi salutes. Yet they continue the lie because there will zero repercussions and it gains favour and political capital among a certain voter.
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Step out of your wee bubble and show those photos to anyone and ask what they think it is. They'll say a fascist salute. If we don't want to get accused of Nazi salutes then don't do things that look like Nazi salutes. It is simple as that.

It opens it up for those who hate us to label as far right. When it comes to image of our support we really are as dense as it gets. Also the club then can't defend things like that. They just can't.
 
sudamericaranger said:
Step out of your wee bubble and show those photos to anyone and ask what they think it is. They'll say a fascist salute. If we don't want to get accused of Nazi salutes then don't do things that look like Nazi salutes. It is simple as that.

It opens it up for those who hate us to label as far right. When it comes to image of our support we really are as dense as it gets. Also the club then can't defend things like that. They just can't.
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Yes, but the people that are calling it far-right salute know its a red hand salute. They just say it to fit their agenda
 
FK1872 said:
Honestly anyone can take a free swipe on Rangers now a days

The GB march through the broomloan end, and constant IRA singing throughout the game (THAT WAS HEARD ON TV) have been completely over looked. Not to mention the coin throw that hit a wee boy in the Rangers end, and celtic fans ambushing a couple of straggling bears.

I despise the politicians in this country
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They know they only get a small portion of Rangers fans votes so why piss off the ones who do vote for you. More of a SNP thing but plenty of nationalist politicians can't wait to find any excuse to have a go at Rangers fans
 
FK1872 said:
Yes, but the people that are calling it far-right salute know its a red hand salute. They just say it to fit their agenda
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Mate, that is an argument that won't be won. Show that to anyone, and I mean anyone, out of our wee Rangers bubble and 100% of them call it a far right salute. If we continue not to grasp this, as I suspect, then we are fucked. I can't, and won't, try and make it any clearer. We give our enemies a chance they will always grasp when we do this. Then we get the predictable "aye but it is a different type of salute that is identical to the Nazi one" argument. Wise up.
 
Ah the good old red hand salute. Something not seen for years before becoming a thing 5 or 6 years ago.

It looks fucking awful and is understandably interpreted in a certain way by people who hate the club and the fans. It's little more than fans standing with their legs apart and inviting people to have a free boot at their balls. It really is inviting trouble.
 
FK1872 said:
Yes, but the people that are calling it far-right salute know its a red hand salute. They just say it to fit their agenda
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It's always the same, the real Fascists are those on the left trying to shut down anyone's freedom of expression and speech. I bet you if Antifa were out there protesting they wouldn't bat an eyelid. I despise that commie bastard, hate him with every fibre in my body. Evil bastard. It is impossible to support communism without being an evil lady's front bottom and that is who and what he is. His entire Green Party are pro EUSSR and look at his profile with the wee European Union flag, smelly rodent, can't stand him.
 
sudamericaranger said:
Mate, that is an argument that won't be won. Show that to anyone, and I mean anyone, out of our wee Rangers bubble and 100% of them call it a far right salute. If we continue not to grasp this, as I suspect, then we are fucked. I can't, and won't, try and make it any clearer. We give our enemies a chance they will always grasp when we do this. Then we get the predictable "aye but it is a different type of salute that is identical to the Nazi one" argument. Wise up.
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I understand what you are saying but to change the traditions and culture of our club and supporters to please others is something we will never do. Never ever.
 
RFC#1Scotty said:
It's always the same, the real Fascists are those on the left trying to shut down anyone's freedom of expression and speech. I bet you if Antifa were out there protesting they wouldn't bat an eyelid. I despise that commie bastard, hate him with every fibre in my body. Evil bastard. It is impossible to support communism without being an evil lady's front bottom and that is who and what he is. His entire Green Party are pro EUSSR and look at his profile with the wee European Union flag, smelly rodent, can't stand him.
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Well said mate.

Him and all his wee 'Antifa' arseholes can f.ucking do one. Despise the c.unts.
 
The Nationalists are simply converting the open goal that was handed to them.

Using the word ‘19th Century Terrorists’ to publicise the March, wearing balaclavas ffs, and insisting on doing this ‘red hand salute’?

How did people think this was going to be twisted by grandstanding, opportunistic politicians?

We make it so easy for those who hate us sometimes it’s untrue.

Plus, the bleating about how it’s all so unfair is infuriating.
 
MoodyBlue1872 said:
Well said mate.

Him and all his wee 'Antifa' arseholes can f.ucking do one. Despise the c.unts.
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It's impossible to avoid politics, yet I follow Rangers and only Rangers because of my love and passion for the club as a whole, but because we live in a country rife with this corruption it becomes near to impossible to ignore. I applaud what the Union Bears did and continue to do, because they dare to stand up against the real Fascists. Just look at Celtic fans who were marching on previous accounts, did they bat an eyelid at them? Not at all, because mostly all of them are Celtic fans in the SNP.

Their real true bitter hatred of Rangers stems from their pro-separatist/anti-British sentiment. They really are the lowest of the low, hate them with an absolute passion.
 
RFC#1Scotty said:
It's impossible to avoid politics, yet I follow Rangers and only Rangers because of my love and passion for the club as a whole, but because we live in a country rife with this corruption it becomes near to impossible to ignore. I applaud what the Union Bears did and continue to do, because they dare to stand up against the real Fascists. Just look at Celtic fans who were marching on previous accounts, did they bat an eyelid at them? Not at all, because mostly all of them are Celtic fans in the SNP.

Their real true bitter hatred of Rangers stems from their pro-separatist/anti-British sentiment. They really are the lowest of the low, hate them with an absolute passion.
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Couldn't have put it better myself mate. You are 100% bang on the money !!
 
It's just the constant hypocrisy from politicians.
I find it incredible how groups of Celtic fans dressed in khaki and black wearing balaclavas attacking pubs and supporters in 2's and 3's doesn't get a mention, but a group of supporters marching to a stadium nowhere near the away support is deemed as intimidating.
 
FK1872 said:
It does for our supporters. The same support that follow Rangers every single week.
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No it doesn't. Watch footage of Bears in the 90s, 80s, 70s, etc. do you see any 'Red Hand salutes'? Is it part of Loyalist culture such as Orange Walks?

It's a daft wee thing that started in the early-mid 00s, and was rightly rejected by the majority of the support who realised it looked like a Nazi salute and could only end gives our enemies a target to aim at.

Hence the only people who do it today are pished neds who do not regularly attend games.

The press are content to lie about us to further their agenda, but that does not mean we should help them by posing in what 99% of the general population would think looks like a Nazi salute.
 
UnionCruiser72 said:
It's just the constant hypocrisy from politicians.
I find it incredible how groups of Celtic fans dressed in khaki and black wearing balaclavas attacking pubs and supporters in 2's and 3's doesn't get a mention, but a group of supporters marching to a stadium nowhere near the away support is deemed as intimidating.
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We are despised by the Nationalists and Republicans alike because we are seen as the arch Unionists, any shite they can throw at us is a win for them.
 
It is not a level playing field in this country but that flyer and the hand salute used (regardless of what it’s meant to signify) has been an enormous own goal.

Couldn’t care less about our fans setting off pyro (which I like) and fans covering their faces, but the use of ‘19th Century Terrorist’ to promote the march and the red hand salute is just asking for attention and pretty moronic.
 
I think Patrick Harvie is a horrible, poisonous and hateful little politician. Unfortunately most of Scotland's politicians are just like him. At least these poisonous trolls put most Scots off voting for independence.

That's an SNP MSP, an SNP councillor and a useless nationalist Green Party "convener" jumping on a Rangers fans march, covering just over 1m from a pub to Ibrox. All of three of them indulging their tribalism. Nothing happened beyond what was expected during the march. While this fact will disappoint these politically employed trolls, unfortunately it doesn't stop them, or shut them up.

These three tinpot politicians have had their noses put right out of joint. They hated Rangers fans before their fascist bill was passed, and hate them even more because their fascist bill is being repealed.

The politicians love getting on Twitter to vent their tribalism. Making demands of the Police, throwing insults at Rangers supporters, making wild untrue claims, generally just being trolls. Shouldn't these arseholes be doing something helpful on behalf of the people of Scotland instead? Fighting poverty, creating jobs, stopping sexual abuse of children on a massive scale, improving relationships between Police and local communities. All of these problems are rife in Govan. Obviously, in the estimation of these dedicated elected officials, such problems do not demand the same immediate action from them as a few hundred Rangers supporters, marching a mile to Ibrox from a pub. A game they would be going to whether part of the march or not.

Scotland's problems stem from within its communities, and from the tribal, unfit officials elected to solve them.
 
Surely sticking your hand up in the air doesn't always mean your doing a Nazi or red hand salute,I'm sure I've done it in the past and never at any time was I actually saluting anything or anyone never even crossed my mind.
 
Kurt Russell said:
No it doesn't. Watch footage of Bears in the 90s, 80s, 70s, etc. do you see any 'Red Hand salutes'? Is it part of Loyalist culture such as Orange Walks?

It's a daft wee thing that started in the early-mid 00s, and was rightly rejected by the majority of the support who realised it looked like a Nazi salute and could only end gives our enemies a target to aim at.

Hence the only people who do it today are pished neds who do not regularly attend games.

The press are content to lie about us to further their agenda, but that does not mean we should help them by posing in what 99% of the general population would think looks like a Nazi salute.
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Fair point but thats probably where our differences lie. I'm in my 20's and see it often at away games, not so much home games. I cant see it stopping any time soon tbh. Our support will always have the "no one likes us, we don't care' mentality
 
We do not have a board who fight our corner we learned that against Motherwell and Hibs we need the board to be stronger.
We are seen as weak and easy to attack from everyone.
 
FK1872 said:
It is a thing mate for as long as i can remember anyway, and when lafferty did it towards the celtic fans i bet the majority of our support absolutely loved it
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I think that was more of a cheeky wave to his admirers rather than a political gesture to be honest.
 
sudamericaranger said:
Step out of your wee bubble and show those photos to anyone and ask what they think it is. They'll say a fascist salute. If we don't want to get accused of Nazi salutes then don't do things that look like Nazi salutes. It is simple as that.

It opens it up for those who hate us to label as far right. When it comes to image of our support we really are as dense as it gets. Also the club then can't defend things like that. They just can't.
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Yes, but offer a couple of option.
For example:
Is the person in the still photograph:
A) waving to a friend in the crowd.
B) saluting like National Socialists do.
C) doing something else.
 
I've had a debate with a group of SNP diehard bellends on facebook who are friends of a friend since the game about this.

It all started when the 1st post showed the Union Bears march under the tag line 'Not In My Scotland'.

I think I'm a reasonable guy. I've explained calmly what it is, even said I think it's utter bollocks too, but defended the march as nothing more than a fan group adding to the occasion and atmosphere with a bit of noise and colour. I also said I have no problem with their lot doing the same, which I don't, as long as no one getting hurt I've no problem with it at all.

In the replies I've been called a 'moron', 'braindead moron', 'not a normal sane person', 'A sick individual'.

I've not once insulted anyone throughout the whole thread.

Funny enough most of the punters replying still have a 'Yes' picture as their profile, and most have posted stuff celebrating their result yesterday.

They are not interested in debate. It's their way or nothing.
They are not interested in free speech. It's their speech or nothing.
They are not interested in freedom of expression. It's their expression or nothing.

Now we have elected members of Parliament acting in the same way?
We're on a very slippery slope if you ask me.
 
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