East Lothian journalist 'in tears' after racial abuse at Rangers game

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We must take such allegations seriously and have the default position that we always investigate as best possible.

That means Rangers contacting him for his seat details and try to identify those around him so the club can both get corroboration and identify those behaving inappropriately.

It also means the WRC checking their CCTV and verifying he was there as well as then looking to identify who it was that abused him.

Both should keep him fully informed of progress.
 
TheMish said:
TBF what if people just joined in because it’s the Sakala song and has been about the most sung song on buses and pubs this season and chanted most places regardless
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Aye I do understand that point. 20/25 wouldn’t have been singing it to him to be racist. Probably just thought it was a sing song but it probably got started by people doing it to be racist to this guy
 
Poor bloke.

Doesn’t surprise me it’s turned into a debate.

The only issue I can agree with being debated is whether this would have made the papers if it was another club doing it.
 
Calcio said:
You don't believe 25 people started singing a football song?

What if a few were cretins who started it because he is black, and the rest ignorantly joined in, is that unbelievable in your mind?

If it is, I suggest you start attending football matches or going to pubs.
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I've attended far more games than you ever have I suspect. I don't think the 2nd part of that story happened as he says. 1st part I can see as being true. Just because I don't believe something doesn't make me a crackpot. There will be CCTV if true it can be proven.
 
dh1963 said:
We must take such allegations seriously and have the default position that we always investigate as best possible.

That means Rangers contacting him for his seat details and try to identify those around him so the club can both get corroboration and identify those behaving inappropriately.

It also means the WRC checking their CCTV and verifying he was there as well as then looking to identify who it was that abused him.

Both should keep him fully informed of progress.
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Should be PS who look at the evidence and let the fella give them what he hand his friends have along with the club and WRC evidence that’s available .

Moronic
 
Glad to see so many back this guy. If your instant response is to say he made it up because you don’t want criticism of fellow rangers fans then you’re as idiotic as the racists.

Every support has them, but that doesn’t mean we should just accept it. Hopefully the club invite him back as a guest and make it clear racist ‘banter’ is unacceptable.
 
When Kamara was racially abused Gerrard kept repeating in the post match interview ‘I believe him’

I found that odd but since learned that’s the first things you do when backing someone in such circumstances.

Interesting that some posters on here are doing the very opposite.
 
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DoubleWhopper said:
He doesn’t need to bring another negative storm of publicity down upon us.

We need to work amongst ourselves to eradicate such behaviour.

It’s pornography for the press when such things happen - they have no interest in ending such behaviour, their sole concern is to castigate Rangers and this is an open goal.
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He didn't. It was the guy who racially abused him that did that. The poor guy just wanted to watch his team, without getting shit and hassle because of his skin colour.
 
Incredible the number of folk who go along with "I've never witnessed it so I doubt it happened". There was nearly a square go two seasons ago where I sit in BF5. A guy (white) who goes to the games with his son (mixed race) confronted a guy who sits a bit in front of me, along the lines of "I'm fucking sick of your racist shit" - I heard him shouting something untoward on that occasion and would've challenged it had the guy not done so, but the offender didn't try to plead any innocence. Was clearly just fucked right off that he'd been called out, and eventually shat himself when the son in question turned out to be 6ft plus.

Point is, that had obviously been going on for a while before that guy snapped, and nobody had batted an eyelid. There's a guy who sits near me who throws out "poof, faggot, retard, spazzy, paki" etc with reckless abandon. I'm the only one who's called him out and he just gets aggressive. Told a steward and they did nothing. Everyone else around either just tuts or laughs.

I'm very inclined to believe that those who have a problem with this man are just projecting because they recognise themselves in the actions he describes.
 
Seen this guy popping up on twitter a lot a few months ago. Seems to have been building a bit of an online profile.
Sorry to hear of his experiences the other night.
 
DoubleWhopper said:
He doesn’t need to bring another negative storm of publicity down upon us.

We need to work amongst ourselves to eradicate such behaviour.

It’s pornography for the press when such things happen - they have no interest in ending such behaviour, their sole concern is to castigate Rangers and this is an open goal.
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This post is such a painfully perfect way to describe the attitude and actions of Celtic and the Catholic Church when it comes to sexual abuse.
 
55 and counting said:
I've attended far more games than you ever have I suspect. I don't think the 2nd part of that story happened as he says. 1st part I can see as being true. Just because I don't believe something doesn't make me a crackpot. There will be CCTV if true it can be proven.
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We’ve got a mega fan in the thread
 
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Don’t think what was said to him in the stadium constitutes racism but then again we don’t know the tone or way it was said or meant so I think that’s debatable.

The club incident is extremely poor and I hope it doesn’t put the lad off going to games because the vast majority of bears at Ibrox are great and the ones who sit round us make the games even better.
 
Mount_Bear said:
Incredible the number of folk who go along with "I've never witnessed it so I doubt it happened". There was nearly a square go two seasons ago where I sit in BF5. A guy (white) who goes to the games with his son (mixed race) confronted a guy who sits a bit in front of me, along the lines of "I'm fucking sick of your racist shit" - I heard him shouting something untoward on that occasion and would've challenged it had the guy not done so, but the offender didn't try to plead any innocence. Was clearly just fucked right off that he'd been called out, and eventually shat himself when the son in question turned out to be 6ft plus.

Point is, that had obviously been going on for a while before that guy snapped, and nobody had batted an eyelid. There's a guy who sits near me who throws out "poof, faggot, retard, spazzy, paki" etc with reckless abandon. I'm the only one who's called him out and he just gets aggressive. Told a steward and they did nothing. Everyone else around either just tuts or laughs.

I'm very inclined to believe that those who have a problem with this man are just projecting because they recognise themselves in the actions he describes.
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It’s not really that incredible TBH, it is pretty likely most around the stadium don’t see regular incidents of racism because, well, they don’t see regular incidents of racism.
 
Club really need to investigate and hope the guy is ok.

Evening kicks offs do bring out some of the no wisers amongst our support. Guy beside me absolutely steaming launching abuse at our players where they could quite clearly hear him. Come half time he was that steaming him and all his mates left.

I enjoy a beer before the game but not to the point I couldn’t watch the match. It’s also another reason why drinking inside Scottish Football stadiums will never be allowed. There is then an argument to say why is it allowed at rugby matches. (Discussion for another day).
 
Also calling bullshit on the excuse being peddled that it's because he's got Edinburgh accent. What a lot of pish. Thousands of white blokes with Irish, Dundonian, Aberdonian and various other Scots accents at Ibrox on any given week.

I think I'd trust a black man to know when he's been racially abused or targeted, no matter how insidious it was.

Gies a break.
 
Why all the chat about his accent ffs.

Of course the comment is racist. Accent or not what the fck would it matter if he wasn't speaking English in the first place? Plenty of people from all over the world will come to Ibrox, especially as the guy says there is good representation in the team, and not all of them will speak English. Why should they have to put up with some crackpot calling them out on it?

Let's be totally honest, it's very unlikely he would have said it to two white guys from Edinburgh.
 
ronadamus_prime said:
I literally just called a person out over on the Roofe thread, for referring to him as a 'Roadman' because he types in Patois on social media. So yeah, plenty of racist and racial insensitive nonsense gets chucked about on here on a regular basis. The Lounge is even worse for it, narrow minded and reactionary nonsense.
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i thought roadman was a pisstake term for people who use that kind of lingo but it looks daft. Like Ali G would be a roadman?
 
TheMish said:
It’s not really that incredible TBH, it is pretty likely most around the stadium don’t see regular incidents of racism because, well, they don’t see regular incidents of racism.
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What? That's so far from the point. I'm not saying people see regular instances of racism. I'm saying people's willful ignorance, just because they don't see it, is incredible.
 
pollokparkloyal said:
Club really need to investigate and hope the guy is ok.

Evening kicks offs do bring out some of the no wisers amongst our support. Guy beside me absolutely steaming launching abuse at our players where they could quite clearly hear him. Come half time he was that steaming him and all his mates left.

I enjoy a beer before the game but not to the point I couldn’t watch the match. It’s also another reason why drinking inside Scottish Football stadiums will never be allowed. There is then an argument to say why is it allowed at rugby matches. (Discussion for another day).
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Sadly it’s always been the same. 99% of our fans are great people, but for some reason we have some midweek roasters who latch onto us , genuine boozebags who care more about bevvy than the game, and they’ve embarrassed our club for decades.
 
Bowery Boy said:
It isn't clear from the article whether he did or not. Casting aspersions on stuff like this isn't really a great look. In fact it reminds me of Michael Stewarts behaviour in the aftermath of the Kamara abuse.

Why would he make it up?
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Not saying he is, but yesterday I had never heard of him. Today I know who he is. This story will likely bring him lots of opportunities, TV work and things like that.
Again, not saying that's what he's doing - the thought of a man crying in the car because he was racially abused by fans of his own club is heartbreaking and if the polis can find the people who did it I really hope they get the book thrown at them.
I do think the idea of 20/25 Rangers fans all singing a song at him in a racist fashion sounds bizarre.
 
Claverdon Loyal said:
i thought roadman was a pisstake term for people who use that kind of lingo but it looks daft. Like Ali G would be a roadman?
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Nah, a Roadman usually refers to a teenager/young man of an unscrupulous nature. Also interchangeable with drug dealer too. A scheme bam in essense. He speaks/types with a twang of patois because he grew up with Jamaican parent(s), it's his dialect/language.
 
ronadamus_prime said:
Also calling bullshit on the excuse being peddled that it's because he's got Edinburgh accent. What a lot of pish. Thousands of white blokes with Irish, Dundonian, Aberdonian and various other Scots accents at Ibrox on any given week.

I think I'd trust a black man to know when he's been racially abused or targeted, no matter how insidious it was.

Gies a break.
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This. 100%.
 
Claverdon Loyal said:
i thought roadman was a pisstake term for people who use that kind of lingo but it looks daft. Like Ali G would be a roadman?
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A roadman is like a low level gang member usually from London who tend to sell drugs, carry knives and/or rob people. A pretty bizarre name to call Roofe but nothing surprises me on here.
 
Mount_Bear said:
This post is such a painfully perfect way to describe the attitude and actions of Celtic and the Catholic Church when it comes to sexual abuse.
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Oh wow.

Sorry. What nonsense.

The Catholic Church, and Celtic FC - their crimes were institutionalised. Organisations perpetuating cover ups.

To compare, however abhorent, the behaviour of an individual, is nonsensical.
 
DoubleWhopper said:
Oh wow.

Sorry. What nonsense.

The Catholic Church, and Celtic FC - their crimes were institutionalised. Organisations perpetuating cover ups.

To compare, however abhorent, the behaviour of an individual, is nonsensical.
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Don't tarnish the Rangers name, we'll deal with it in house. That's what you've said in other words.
 
It's horrific that this still goes on but you know that certain journalists and MP/MSPs will jump on the big bad Rangers bandwagon but this is a socitital issue it's not isolated within one club in the country
 
I can absolutely believe that happened in the boozer.

We have so many fannies that attach themselves to our club.. take the alcohol out of it and they wouldn't bother their arse with Rangers.

And the fact they were in the pub whilst Ibrox had about 10k empty seats says it all.
 
We all know how this is going to be spun, ironically when the media do their usual thing in just highlighting the words "Rangers fans", they'll once again just serve to trumpet their own agenda, which has nothing to do with fighting racism.

Anyway, on to the points.

The incident in the stand is open to interpretation, it may have been a genuine question from the fan, or he was someone taking the c@nt and has a sadly questionable sense of humour.

As for the experience in the Wee Rangers Club, unfortunately we can't outlaw ignorance and this sounds like some fans with a very limited experience of life reacting to a solitary black guy, by asking crass questions based on on the misguided assumption that all black people are the same and share the same background. Were they being racist singing the Fashion song, probably not, but they were acting like ignoramuses.

As ScottyRFC1872 says in post#50, this is a societal problem. Education is the key here, people need to jettison their ignorant assumptions and stop making fools of themselves.

As a follow up, perhaps Heart and Hand could have Bobby on as a guest and ask him to detail his experiences and how together we can all help to eliminate this embarrassing attitude that pertains in some sections of Scottish society?

We need to offer Bobby more than sympathy and as a fellow Rangers fan, he deserves all of our support.

Blue is the only colour that matters.
 
Reading that, I'd figure that 99.9% of Rangers fans couldn't give a shit about what colour of skin the guy had.

But a couple of total rockets make us all out to be a bunch of fascists?

There are also a few discrepancies about that report.

Anyone abusing fellow Rangers fans (be it in the stadium or in the pub) because of their race would be immediately told to shut it or worse.
 
d72 said:
A roadman is like a low level gang member usually from London who tend to sell drugs, carry knives and/or rob people. A pretty bizarre name to call Roofe but nothing surprises me on here.
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again, is that racist? Or just a reflection that we live in a multicultural society where people have all sorts of terms. I mean, do we even know if the guy using the term roadman is white? If that even matters
 
Coisty09 said:
As a former media person, this smacks of journalist invents story about himself.
That picture of him with the BBC Mic is very telling.
I’m not saying we don’t have absolute idiots in our support but there is no way that he ‘left in tears at half time’.
An absolute set up story if you ask me.
Similar to the one when Alfie’s car was interfered with by the private detective who was evidently hired by a newspaper to do it.
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it is a very weird 'cluster of evidence', claims to support rangers because of skin colour, then claims two separate skin colour related incidents inside and outside of the stadium. Detectives call these things clusters of evidence when something is clearly a set up. Personally I would want more evidence. If anything, the 'left in tears' part just makes it sound more dubious
 
Rangerista said:
We all know how this is going to be spun, ironically when the media do their usual thing in just highlighting the words "Rangers fans", they'll once again just serve to trumpet their own agenda, which has nothing to do with fighting racism.

Anyway, on to the points.

The incident in the stand is open to interpretation, it may have been a genuine question from the fan, or he was someone taking the c@nt and has a sadly questionable sense of humour.

As for the experience in the Wee Rangers Club, unfortunately we can't outlaw ignorance and this sounds like some fans with a very limited experience of life reacting to a solitary black guy, by asking crass questions based on on the misguided assumption that all black people are the same and share the same background. Were they being racist singing the Fashion song, probably not, but they were acting like ignoramuses.

As ScottyRFC1872 says in post#50, this is a societal problem. Education is the key here, people need to jettison their ignorant assumptions and stop making fools of themselves.

As a follow up, perhaps Heart and Hand could have Bobby on as a guest and ask him to detail his experiences and how together we can all help to eliminate this embarrassing attitude that pertains in some sections of Scottish society?

We need to offer Bobby more than sympathy and as a fellow Rangers fan, he deserves all of our support.

Blue is the only colour that matters.
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Already is

Scum fans are on their high horse.
 
Mount_Bear said:
Don't tarnish the Rangers name, we'll deal with it in house. That's what you've said in other words.
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Well put it this way, Rangers name doesn’t deserve to be tarnished by the actions of individual “supporters” in pubs.

But it will be - because of this.

We’re a huge support, there will be fannies and they ought to be dealt with as they expose themselves.

But do I agree with someone professing to support Rangers giving the media the porn it wants, over the actions of one clown ?

I don’t. You can call things out without providing ammunition for our enemies.

I don’t feel Rangers has to answer for the actions of everybody who purports to support it
 
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