Struths Canary
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The racism industry needs fed and Paul Elliott has his snout in the trough....Honestly did he think no one would notice a lie like that ffs
The racism industry needs fed and Paul Elliott has his snout in the trough....Honestly did he think no one would notice a lie like that ffs
purest bile and complete fantasy. You’re clearly an easy markIts really really sad and depressing. Seems as if a minority are committed to our club being the quintessential WASP (white Anglo Saxon Protestant club) that the media want to tar us with, rather than the multicultural one we are now. Wee angry bald men with red faces.
There is an element, and while it does happen at other clubs, that’s just whatabouttery on our part. If you see it call it, self-policing is the only way now. The club have screamed about it till the cows have came home.
The people who get targeted were up until a few decades ago more likely to be as much a British subject as you and I are. Hence all the colonies celebrated Empire Day a century ago, hundreds of millions of the Queens subjects.
When you've got a low self opinion, you'll jump into anything that you think makes you look better than those around...in this case it's being virulently "anti- racist" and going large on the accusations/hyperbole.It is interesting that the same old faces are now doubling down rather than admit they've been played.
I can't begin to guess why but it is probably a weakness within them.
What’s fantasy? The empire? Don’t understand your questioning.purest bile and complete fantasy. You’re clearly an easy mark
You can’t see why someone who wants a career as a media personality, but currently has a struggling YouTube channel, would draw potentially national attention to himself on the current hot topic?The irony within this post
There's people on this thread saying they know the guy, he's a fellow bear and a good guy.
Cannot see why he'd make this up, and not one of us who go to watch Rangers regularly have not seen or heard some completely unacceptable behavior. 50K go to Ibrox, we have a predominantly well behaved and brilliant support, but let's not pretend that we don't have a few ignorant, bigotted and no doubt racist fans in our midst, like everyone else.
your post is a nasty fantasy of an alternate reality that you want to believe is real. I don’t wish to speculate as to why but it really does take a special somebody to actually want there to be more racism than there actually is. At the football club you profess to support, among your own community, your fellow fan, their fathers and mothers and so on.What’s fantasy? The empire? Don’t understand your questioning.
I’m not woke mate, I’m simply someone who understands history. If you actually want to understand the British empire go and educate yourself. The Elizabethans called them ‘blackmores’ and due to still being a religious and not secular society at the time we (the Abrahamic religions of Jews, Christian, Muslims) believed that black people were gave such tone due to the Old Testament tale of the Curse of Ham. It gave us a moral reason to enslave them.your post is a nasty fantasy of an alternate reality that you want to believe is real. I don’t wish to speculate as to why but it really does take a special somebody to actually want there to be more racism than there actually is.
the stuff about empire was written by a 10yo
Would people feel differently if he had just taken this to the club directly rather than to take it to the media?
There are elements of the story that feel genuine and elements that seem a bit "off" but it's difficult to say if that's because reporters have pushed him for more detail or tried to drive the conversation a specific way.
Shows how poor the journalists actually are at doing their job when they can't get further than "I think it was called the Wee Rangers". It either was or it wasn't. It should be pretty easy to establish exactly what pub he went to and then just report that. "I think it was the Wee Rangers" gives enough leeway to say "oh it must have been somewhere else then" if the pub was to prove the guy was never in there. By then the story would have moved out of the headlines so nobody cares.
Seems to me like the story is specific enough to do damage to the reputation of the club and to fit nicely into the desired narrative but not so specific that the actual details of the events can be corroborated or proven. Also going straight to the media with this but not being specific about which part of the stadium and which pub seems wrong to me.
The club should be taking the lead on this. Reach out to the guy find out exactly where he was sitting and then take it from there.
People are free to believe or not believe but the fact of the matter is that the media haven't even bothered to establish the facts before running with the story and the guys account of events is a bit light on details.
Not sure how it's possible to say anything with any certainty one way or the other.
You've also missed the potatoes we allegedly threw at the piggery.Paul Elliot categorically stated that he had bananas thrown at him at Ibrox... why should we doubt him ?
You can’t see why someone who wants a career as a media personality, but currently has a struggling YouTube channel, would draw potentially national attention to himself on the current hot topic?
Its really really sad and depressing. Seems as if a minority are committed to our club being the quintessential WASP (white Anglo Saxon Protestant club) that the media want to tar us with, rather than the multicultural one we are now. Wee angry bald men with red faces.
There is an element, and while it does happen at other clubs, that’s just whatabouttery on our part. If you see it call it, self-policing is the only way now. The club have screamed about it till the cows have came home.
The people who get targeted were up until a few decades ago more likely to be as much a British subject as you and I are. Hence all the colonies celebrated Empire Day a century ago, hundreds of millions of the Queens subjects.
I’m not woke mate, I’m simply someone who understands history. If you actually want to understand the British empire go and educate yourself. The Elizabethans called them ‘blackmores’ and due to still being a religious and not secular society at the time we (the Abrahamic religions of Jews, Christian, Muslims) believed that black people were gave such tone due to the Old Testament tale of the Curse of Ham. It gave us a moral reason to enslave them.
If you want empirical peer reviewed historical data I can point you in the way, if your just trying to be staunch fair enough.
Im not a nationalist or woke.
Paul Elliot categorically stated that he had bananas thrown at him at Ibrox... why should we doubt him ?
There's people on here who definitely believed it happened why would he lie ?Honestly did he think no one would notice a lie like that ffs
Would people feel differently if he had just taken this to the club directly rather than to take it to the media?
There are elements of the story that feel genuine and elements that seem a bit "off" but it's difficult to say if that's because reporters have pushed him for more detail or tried to drive the conversation a specific way.
Shows how poor the journalists actually are at doing their job when they can't get further than "I think it was called the Wee Rangers". It either was or it wasn't. It should be pretty easy to establish exactly what pub he went to and then just report that. "I think it was the Wee Rangers" gives enough leeway to say "oh it must have been somewhere else then" if the pub was to prove the guy was never in there. By then the story would have moved out of the headlines so nobody cares.
Seems to me like the story is specific enough to do damage to the reputation of the club and to fit nicely into the desired narrative but not so specific that the actual details of the events can be corroborated or proven. Also going straight to the media with this but not being specific about which part of the stadium and which pub seems wrong to me.
The club should be taking the lead on this. Reach out to the guy find out exactly where he was sitting and then take it from there.
People are free to believe or not believe but the fact of the matter is that the media haven't even bothered to establish the facts before running with the story and the guys account of events is a bit light on details.
Not sure how it's possible to say anything with any certainty one way or the other.
You can fvck right of with your woke shite.This place is honestly a disgrace and a complete embarrassment.
Three guesses what colour of skin can of aw have that are asking what proof there is. You have no idea what life can still he like for people of colour and how unwelcoming the football environment can be.
Maybe we just listen to people of colour and learn about their experiences. Maybe that might just help.
Have a word with yourselves.
Nice to see so many sound folk on here calling this out for what it is.
This collective voice needs to be louder in our support.
Everyone anyone, let’s actually mean it and live it.
Pushing a narrative? It’s the world we live in mate ffs. If you can’t see that because of our club and it’s traditions, that we are easy pickings for this stuff then I don’t know what else to say.What are you then when you appear determined to push a specific narrative on a football club and the overwhelming majority of supporters?
Do you generalise about other clubs in a similar manner?
Call it out for what it is. A very small minority behaving like morons & scumbags. Unfortunately that is the story the world over.
Hopefully the individual contacts the Club. If so, I’m confident we’ll address it in the proper manner, as we have been doing.
Being virulently anti racist does make you look better than those around...When you've got a low self opinion, you'll jump into anything that you think makes you look better than those around...in this case it's being virulently "anti- racist" and going large on the accusations/hyperbole.
We've seen this standard of accusations thrown against the club and acted with a sense of sanity and proportion...not any more.
Being virulently anti racist does make you look better than those around...
Not sure that is even debatable.
No, it's a sickness, as is racism. It is 'look at me' and a by-product of therapy culture.
Being virulently anti racist does make you look better than those around...
Not sure that is even debatable.
Haha hold on. Actively calling racism out racism is a sickness and, in your response, is comparable to racism itself? Jesus wept.No, it's a sickness, as is racism. It is 'look at me' and a by-product of therapy culture.
Pushing a narrative? It’s the world we live in mate ffs. If you can’t see that because of our club and it’s traditions, that we are easy pickings for this stuff then I don’t know what else to say.
My original post stated a minority want to live up to the whole WASP thing we’re painted as. How the f**k am I wrong? If you know my OP history you’ll know I’m scathing of other clubs, such as them across the Clyde.
Britain has major issues with its past, as do other countries. Is it unpatriotic to call out, or be unstaunch to criticise aspects you’d disagree with? No it’s not.
Being publicly anti-racist is not a problem. Listen to yourself. If someone comes out and claims to have been racially abused and your first response is to believe them and sympathise with them and hope for change, it says far more about you than someone who's first response is to disbelieve it because it paints rangers in a bad light.Of course it's debatable. When people are so determined to appear publicly anti-racist, that they don't care what they destroy in the process, regardless of guilt, that's a big problem.
Being publicly anti-racist is not a problem. Listen to yourself. If someone comes out and claims to have been racially abused and your first response is to believe them and sympathise with them and hope for change, it says far more about you than someone who's first response is to disbelieve it because it paints rangers in a bad light.
I have a youtube channel. Just been to the co op and there was a chicken shagging a dug. PS I dont have a video of said incident. But need a few more followers, so please share.If being militantly anti-racist, at the expense of people who aren't racist, is your modus operandi, then we have a problem.
The fact you work on a basis of guilty until proven innocent, is perverse.
funnily enough i was going suggest this thread is like Raskolnikov’s final nightmare and then i noticed your username!I hope he does complain to Police Scotland. Far too many of these accusations are never answered. To me, there has been a concerted effort for years now to condition people to think, Rangers means racist. It needs challenged.
Touché my friend.funnily enough i was going suggest this thread is like Raskolnikov’s final nightmare and then i noticed your username!
I am choosing to believe that the victim of racial abuse is telling the truth therefore it isnt at the expense of people who arent racist.If being militantly anti-racist, at the expense of people who aren't racist, is your modus operandi, then we have a problem.
The fact you work on a basis of guilty until proven innocent, is perverse.
I am choosing to believe that the victim of racial abuse is telling the truth therefore it isnt at the expense of people who arent racist.
I work on a basis that if someone in the uk says they were racially abused, they probably were.
And we all make judgements on here about folk being guilty until proven etc. There is a thread about the disgusting treatment of children by celtic boys club and by their club. This hasnt went to court yet though so I look forward to your post telling everyone to stop it because they are innocent until proven guilty.
Me, I will choose to believe the victims.
"Being virulently anti racist "Opposing racism is a sickness?
I'd slow down....it has been a long day for you I think and you've stopped reading posts or even remembering what you posted initially.Haha hold on. Actively calling racism out racism is a sickness and, in your response, is comparable to racism itself? Jesus wept.
Agree with most you said. As for the historical reference it’s to illustrate we’re still living with the aftermath of hundreds of years of dubious moral decisions. And our club being thee British club means yes we get the unfair stereotypes that I’m highlighting mate. It’s not fair but it’s how it’s perceived.With a support as vast as ours, there will be some with questionable attitudes, even downright ugly ones. That’s inevitable.
The Club can’t do much about that. What we can do is ensure the ugliest of attitudes are not demonstrated within the stadium - and the Club have been proactive in addressing that.
Why give more credence to the small minority than the majority?
And you don’t see a difficulty with bringing Elizabethan attitudes and the complexity of a colonial past into a discussion on football fans?
If someone comes out and claims to have been racially abused and your first response is to believe them and sympathise with them and hope for change, it says far more about you ....
Ibrox is probably one of the few grounds in Scotland that English people wouldn’t suffer racism at.%^*& me…
To not believe this guy is not the right starting position. Whether or not its true or whether it constitutes racism isn’t for anyone here to decide.
Trying to deflect from debate with ‘ah well it’s just a few people stop trying to make out it’s the whole club’ is ridiculous. Nobody here has said that it’s any more than the few individuals mentioned in the OP. On the same front, saying ‘ah well there’s racists everywhere’ is not helpful.
For someone to want to come and see Rangers play because of the amount of BAME players we have isn’t racist. Not in any way shape or form. If that’s the thing that gets him interested in Rangers, then great. (It’s entirely different to wanting to see a team because of a lack of black players/them all being white!)
Over the past few years we’ve had a good number of English players. If we’d had someone come to visit us and take an interest for that reason, nobody would bat an eyelid. In the same vein, nobody would have sang, say, the Defoe song at him just because the visiting fan was English (or any other song about an English player).
Racism isn’t about actions, it’s about how people are made to feel.
There has, but not linked to the club and proven in court. I have said that doesnt matter to me because i believe the victims in their claims that the club knew. That hasnt been decided in court yet but that doesnt matter to me. It seems to matter to you though given your earlier stance on innocent until guilty. Or is that just when its something that might hard the rep of our club even though its racism?I prefer there to be actual evidence of something happening, before crucifying people. By all means if they're then found guilty, punish them accordingly.
There's literally been people convicted for molesting children at Celtic. Literal evidence.
You're for the watching.
you’ve described the demand for racism, difficult to get that piety fix at times of short supply.Being virulently anti racist does make you look better than those around...
Not sure that is even debatable.
Someone that condemns racism is morally superior to someone who does not. I am not saying that you dont condemn it btw, I am speaking generally.Ahem. Cough. Self obsessed, and looking for attention. You're hardly coming up with any arguments AGAINST what I posted? You have basically just said you are morally superior to anyone opposing you on this thread.
so it’s an article of faith for you? Serious question, if there was no racism anymore would you be happy or sad?I am choosing to believe that the victim of racial abuse is telling the truth therefore it isnt at the expense of people who arent racist.
I work on a basis that if someone in the uk says they were racially abused, they probably were.
And we all make judgements on here about folk being guilty until proven etc. There is a thread about the disgusting treatment of children by celtic boys club and by their club. This hasnt went to court yet though so I look forward to your post telling everyone to stop it because they are innocent until proven guilty.
Me, I will choose to believe the victims.
Someone that condemns racism is morally superior to someone who does not. I am not saying that you dont condemn it btw, I am speaking generally.
There has, but not linked to the club and proven in court. I have said that doesnt matter to me because i believe the victims in their claims that the club knew. That hasnt been decided in court yet but that doesnt matter to me. It seems to matter to you though given your earlier stance on innocent until guilty. Or is that just when its something that might hard the rep of our club even though its racism?
Its perfectly possible to believe a victim before its been proven. Even to just offer them support.
Its also perfectly possible to want racism as far as possible from our support.