struth 1872
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I sort of liked him a bit before his idiotic comments about why liverpool fans were booing the national anthem, they were booing it because most of them are ira loving scumbags
Jurgen Klopp.Yay Or Nay
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SilvioBerlusconi
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He's turned into an arsehole over the past couple of years but what a incredible manager he is. When he leaves he will be remembered with the greats at Liverpool... Absolutely rejuvenated the football club and made them consistent winners again for the first time in my lifetime.
LightSaber
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It gives the angry FF loons another thread to post how angry they are and how they hate literally everything.
I never said he was a failure.
Fergie_6
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You asked the question.
SDF
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How can a guy who has taken them to 4 European finals(and BTW check the starting XI of that Europa League final team in 2016 compared to what he's built now), made them champions of England, Europe and then the world be considered "somewhere in the middle" ?
bearmind
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Love him or hate him Klopp has a core group of players who 'would run through a brick wall' for him. You can tell at the end of games how close the players are to him and how much he protects them. The fans seem to love him and he has brought regular success to Liverpool that had gone awry over 30 years.
I think he comes across a genuine manager in interviews and is a breath of fresh air from the staid, rote, pre planned answers of many dull managers.
Yes, on the downside I think he could dress up in suit and tie for finals but it seems to be becoming more common practice I.e. Pep Guardiola is a trackie manager and not suited and booted too. Klopp didn't seem to wear a suit for or during the FA Cup Final which I found disappointing. That just adds to be the continued dumbing down of the FA Cup Final e.g changed KO time and all that which is a shame.
I think he comes across a genuine manager in interviews and is a breath of fresh air from the staid, rote, pre planned answers of many dull managers.
Yes, on the downside I think he could dress up in suit and tie for finals but it seems to be becoming more common practice I.e. Pep Guardiola is a trackie manager and not suited and booted too. Klopp didn't seem to wear a suit for or during the FA Cup Final which I found disappointing. That just adds to be the continued dumbing down of the FA Cup Final e.g changed KO time and all that which is a shame.
Davie Weir
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Don’t see any argument for that tbh
Super-Swally
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Consistently challenging but not consistently winning.
Best team in Europe and all that.
I think he’s gone full Mourinho….a breath of fresh air when he came in, quite likeable but now a bit wearing in interviews
temperance
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Good manager, reasonable success at Liverpool, but has changed from being a really nice guy to a moaning faced scouser.
Sheik Ma Shammy
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Got far too cocky and arrogant in the last few weeks and it cost them.
Artful Dodger
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I like him. His comments last night weren’t great. A terrific manager and if he was anywhere else I would wish him well. The club he manages are not my cup of tea and that I think turns a fair few against him almost immediately. I think his team will push Man City all the way again. They fell short by 1 point. They are a terrific side who play great football. I would say that was down to him. He has been a success in my view.
I like him, can't class him as a failure ffs.
UlsterScotGer
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The question was, has he been a success. They were nowhere near the league bar a couple of seasons out off 30 before he arrived.
I’m no Liverpool fan, but Klopp has transformed them.
Mount_Bear
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Great guy, fantastic manager.
He has won as many Premier League titles as Leicester.
He's done a magnificent job at Liverpool. They were so unlucky not to win the league title again last season, but will be pushing for it again next. Again, so desperately unlucky last night as well. He's one of the best in managers in football at the moment and I like him and his management style a lot.
SDF
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You keep saying four trophies. He's won six.
Gibraltar Loyal
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With the money he has been given I'd like to think I coukd have won more
Fergie_6
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Is that really your argument for him not being a success? He’s improved Liverpool every season he’s been there, they are now challenging at the very top of every competition they are in.
So 63% of the Liverpool squad has asthma
that’s interesting…… would like to see how that compares to other teams
that’s interesting…… would like to see how that compares to other teams
Won the league 2 years ago and the champions league 4 years ago I think.
A League cup and an FA Cup this year wouldn't suggest they were improving.Standing still maybe.
If City bring in Haaland and Chelsea start spending again they will drop further back.
Always bear in mind a Liverpool manager will be judged against Bob Paisley and he's not at that level yet
Fergie_6
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Your at it, they took city to the last game, and reached the champs league final this season also, you asked the question success or failure, and he’s been success.
Does every Rangers manager get compared to Bill Struth? And if they don’t reach that level they are a failure?
Your talking absolute pish now.
Thornliebank_Bear
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That is incredible maybe thats why hes so unpopular on here, much better manager, id be surprised if Pep, Gerrard, Conte or anyone else has not had a moan at the refs or whatever it might be after dropping some points.
Hes no sexy enough for sky sports thats the problem here.
If I was a Liverpool supporter I would expect a few more trophies than those he has already won.Dont think that's talking pish
Fergie_6
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Since you avoided the question, you know your now talking pish too.
Drumchapel
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Don't judge him by his successes judge him by his failures - lost plenty of finals and league runner up often
Love him. Seems a sound bloke.
dt17
The Jay Cartwright of FF
Kinda irrelevant stat though, it's like the tims claiming to be better than us in Europe this year because they finished on 9 points in their group whilst we had 8.
FWIW I think the EPL is as weak as it has been in a long time. Man Utd are shite, Arsenal meh, Spurs meh, the rest are rank rotten.
Ferrybear73
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Hard one. I'd say a moderate success, given the scousers hadn't won a league since 1990. Winning the Champions League and reaching 2 other CL finals isn't to be sniffed at either. When u consider what he has spent compared to City, it's actually an achievement to be up with them in the EPL.
Pirlo
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The irony of this is tremendous tbh. Cheers for that. You’d no doubt credit Neil Lennon for Celtic making a killing on poppadom hips.
Coutinho’s output was quite consistent in his time there, Klopp did improve the team around him which will have done a world of good like it does for any player in any team. But Barcelona paid well over the odds (I think everything Countinho’s done since then proves this, I mean he was at Villa this season) just as they’ve done with Dembele, Griezmann, De Jong, Pjanic, Paulinho, Gomez and Lenglet in recent times.
Those players cost a combined total of about £600m. There’s a trend there isn’t there? That’s why that club have been infamous for paying well over the odds for players. So unless Klopp was doing the negotiations, that’s not really on him, and a lot more to do with the mismanagement of a club who’re now in deep shit on account of their careless overspending.
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snoopyboymason
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What trophies do you he should have won? Maybe the Europa league against Sevilla the other times he's finished second in the EPL City have had absolutely outstanding seasons as have Liverpool and two Champions League final defeats against Real Madrid who don't lose many CL finals
Lizzie1981
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Massive Yay
dt17
The Jay Cartwright of FF
Look at the money Man Utd and Chelsea have spent as well. You can say City have all this money but it's not like they're the only ones. Difference is they have a top manager and usually spend it wisely.
snoopyboymason
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Chelsea have had recent success a title and a CL win
dt17
The Jay Cartwright of FF
Think that came out as a bit of a myth.
Pirlo
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City will rightfully get more stick now because of that ridiculous Grealish deal. But until then Mahrez and De Bruyne were their top buys at around £60m, now looking back that KDB deal looks like peanuts given the contribution he’s made.
But, say Guardiola sold him for £150-200m a couple of years ago, and replaced him with another player for around the £50-60m mark (which until Grealish is about as much as they spend on a single player), does that suddenly make Guardiola a far better coach because a massive sale like that looks better for his ‘net spend’? I mean it’s not as if City would have stopped winning either because as brilliant as KDB is he’s injured quite a lot, even this season, and generally Guardiola still manages to keep them winning even without him, and he’s proven quite adept and finding good players for less than the £80-£150m fees other clubs have been known the throw around.
Add to that, it’s not as though KDB has transformed since moving to City, he was outstanding for Wolfsburg and his quality was clear. But the logic being used by some for Klopp says all of the above would suddenly make Guardiola even greater.
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dt17
The Jay Cartwright of FF
I think part of Liverpool's problem last night was that they thought all they had to do was turn up and it'd be a scoosh. Look at Salah's comments beforehand when he was going on about how he's out for revenge. Look at all the media saying how it'd be a comfortable win etc.
Real beat PSG, Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool. If that doesn't make them the best in Europe I don't know what does.
Suppose Liverpool beating Inter, Benfica and Villarreal is up there though.
Look at it this way.Steven Gerrard won us the league and got our credibility back in Europe with some cracking results.
Even then there were plenty on here saying that we needed to win a few cups as well.
Now it depends what reports you believe but there are some that reckon Klopp has spent close on £700m.For that I would expect the odd FA Cup and League Cup at the very least
The Pontiac Bandit
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Of course he is a success.
I don't think he is up there with the greats though.
I don't think he is up there with the greats though.
Super-Swally
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Not saying he's not made progress, he's brought them on massively.
Success is measured by trophies for these clubs and consistently nearly getting there isn't being successful.
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