It seems to be. I'm going with good guy.So what do you think ?
Is this a balanced take on events ?
Won't be long then before the moonhowlers shout him down.Seems like a good book to read. The author comes across as very sensible.
He states the football club and the corporate identity are different, he believes the club continued, to this day. He will be pilloried.It seems to be. I'm going with good guy.
Agree 100%Everyone with a grudge (sectarian, cultural, political, sporting) put the boot into Rangers.
However, Murray made us vulnerable and certain influential people then teed us up, and if we are to believe, The Inland Revenue were encouraged to use us as a test case against a huge tax avoidance scheme used around the nation and especially in the City of London.
Has anyone investigated or written about how after eviscerating Rangers with a totally exaggerated tax bill, how HMRC with lessons learned successfully recovered billions back into the economy from other bigger and more significant users of these schemes?
One thing we as a support and a community should retain from this experience, is that the hatred is still out there and we are very much still a target of it.
Never forgive and most of all, never forget!
As does anyone who tells the truth of it all.He states the football club and the corporate identity are different, he believes the club continued, to this day. He will be pilloried.
Whilst covering up and denying heinous acts by their club.As does anyone who tells the truth of it all.
All the moonhowlers have is to try and shout the loudest to perpetuate their lies.
It was the duty of the SPL board to decide whether to accept the transfer of Rangers"share" to the new owners, as directors they were not allowed to reject this, since it would have significantly decreased the SPL income. The SPL rules were changed to allow the clubs a vote to reject the transfer of Rangers "share" to the new owners. Then changed them back again after Rangers were excluded."The sfa and spl could have done a lot more here.... they put the boot into Rangers. They did."
Correct, I wonder when the truth is going to appear in the papers on that one.Whilst covering up and denying heinous acts by their club.
They are corrupt bastards who are allowed to make it up as they go along and shirk their responsibilities whenever they chose to do so.It was the duty of the SPL board to decide whether to accept the transfer of Rangers"share" to the new owners, as directors they were not allowed to do this, since it would have significantly decreased the SPL income. The SPL rules were changed to allow the clubs a vote to reject the transfer of Rangers "share" to the new owners. Then changed them back again after Rangers were excluded.
The SFA advanced Hearts their prize money to avoid an insolvency event, they simply kept Rangers prize money, and distributed it amongst themselves.
The 5 way agreement contained further unwarranted and illegal punishment for the club.
It was not their intention that Rangers would survive, sell out Saturday was just around the corner.
Murray used the club as a vehicle to prop his own businesses up. As much as his hubris and spending made the club successful on the park by making huge signings, as well as Walter of course, he also started his own downfall by believe his own hype.I wonder why DC Thomson pulled out and why they won't tell him why. I would speculate that the book was not going down the path they wanted.
I would certainly agree with him that the story is bigger than just the last 10 years and the story pre-dates the arrival of Whyte. Murray placed the club in serious jeopardy and the actions that lead to 2012 started years before it.
I wonder if Celtic and that bastard John Reid get a mention in the book.I wonder why DC Thomson pulled out and why they won't tell him why. I would speculate that the book was not going down the path they wanted.
I would certainly agree with him that the story is bigger than just the last 10 years and the story pre-dates the arrival of Whyte. Murray placed the club in serious jeopardy and the actions that lead to 2012 started years before it.
The whole episode was a microcosm of Scotland and politics. Corrupt and filled with insidious little individuals.It was the duty of the SPL board to decide whether to accept the transfer of Rangers"share" to the new owners, as directors they were not allowed to do this, since it would have significantly decreased the SPL income. The SPL rules were changed to allow the clubs a vote to reject the transfer of Rangers "share" to the new owners. Then changed them back again after Rangers were excluded.
The SFA advanced Hearts their prize money to avoid an insolvency event, they simply kept Rangers prize money, and distributed it amongst themselves.
The 5 way agreement contained further unwarranted and illegal punishment for the club.
It was not their intention that Rangers would survive, sell out Saturday was just around the corner.
Murray used the club as a vehicle to prop his own businesses up. As much as his hubris and spending made the club successful on the park by making huge signings, as well as Walter of course, he also started his own downfall by believe his own hype.
The club had been threatening financial trouble as far back as 2005-6, teetering on the brink of administration and that very idea was mooted by Murray and his board but were thankfully talked out of it. He wasted so many millions of pound investment by ENIC and Dave King among others, and had nowhere else to turn. Come 2008 he was in trouble with the financial crash starting. Murray, in the end, was just as big a conman as the little scum prick he gave the club too, masqueraded as a genuine sale.
Murray can never be forgiven for his part, ever. He caused it, Whyte just made it worse.
Completely agree. Whyte did what Murray didn't have the courage to do though. Murray knew administration would happen.Murray used the club as a vehicle to prop his own businesses up. As much as his hubris and spending made the club successful on the park by making huge signings, as well as Walter of course, he also started his own downfall by believe his own hype.
The club had been threatening financial trouble as far back as 2005-6, teetering on the brink of administration and that very idea was mooted by Murray and his board but were thankfully talked out of it. He wasted so many millions of pound investment by ENIC and Dave King among others, and had nowhere else to turn. Come 2008 he was in trouble with the financial crash starting. Murray, in the end, was just as big a conman as the little scum prick he gave the club too, masqueraded as a genuine sale.
Murray can never be forgiven for his part, ever. He caused it, Whyte just made it worse.
I love how they think that is somehow proof..... I've been sent this countless times by moronic scum fans.
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Book just arrived but I've not read it yet.It seems to be. I'm going with good guy.
You just know he will be getting bombarded with replies from the lunatics.
Never forgive, never forget. And that applies to a lot of other Scottish clubs as well as the governing bodies. Plenty clubs enjoyed putting the boot in as the SPL and SFA enjoyed letting them do it."The sfa and spl could have done a lot more here.... they put the boot into Rangers. They did."
Just like to add, if I remember right, before Murray bought into Rangers he tried to take over Ayr United but the people running the club at the time would not entertain him. Big question, 'Why would that be'?Completely agree. Whyte did what Murray didn't have the courage to do though. Murray knew administration would happen.
NEVER FORGIVE, NEVER FORGET. Till my last breath bilkobear.Everyone with a grudge (sectarian, cultural, political, sporting) put the boot into Rangers.
However, Murray made us vulnerable and certain influential people then teed us up, and if we are to believe, The Inland Revenue were encouraged to use us as a test case against a huge tax avoidance scheme used around the nation and especially in the City of London.
Has anyone investigated or written about how after eviscerating Rangers with a totally exaggerated tax bill, how HMRC with lessons learned successfully recovered billions back into the economy from other bigger and more significant users of these schemes?
One thing we as a support and a community should retain from this experience, is that the hatred is still out there and we are very much still a target of it.
Never forgive and most of all, never forget!
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It states that in the clippings Mark has posted.Book just arrived but I've not read it yet.
It states about the author that he is a Falkirk fan.
On my phone mate and it's too small to read.It states that in the clippings Mark has posted.
The 5way agreement was one of the biggest stitch ups in Scottish Football, but not in the way Timmy thinks.It was the duty of the SPL board to decide whether to accept the transfer of Rangers"share" to the new owners, as directors they were not allowed to do this, since it would have significantly decreased the SPL income. The SPL rules were changed to allow the clubs a vote to reject the transfer of Rangers "share" to the new owners. Then changed them back again after Rangers were excluded.
The SFA advanced Hearts their prize money to avoid an insolvency event, they simply kept Rangers prize money, and distributed it amongst themselves.
The 5 way agreement contained further unwarranted and illegal punishment for the club.
It was not their intention that Rangers would survive, sell out Saturday was just around the corner.
I thought the issue was that the people of Ayr had memories of David Murray's dad which weren't wholly positive.Just like to add, if I remember right, before Murray bought into Rangers he tried to take over Ayr United but the people running the club at the time would not entertain him. Big question, 'Why would that be'?
Sell out Saturday was one of,if not the most hyped thing in Scottish football history.It was the duty of the SPL board to decide whether to accept the transfer of Rangers"share" to the new owners, as directors they were not allowed to do this, since it would have significantly decreased the SPL income. The SPL rules were changed to allow the clubs a vote to reject the transfer of Rangers "share" to the new owners. Then changed them back again after Rangers were excluded.
The SFA advanced Hearts their prize money to avoid an insolvency event, they simply kept Rangers prize money, and distributed it amongst themselves.
The 5 way agreement contained further unwarranted and illegal punishment for the club.
It was not their intention that Rangers would survive, sell out Saturday was just around the corner.
The 5way agreement was one of the biggest stitch ups in Scottish Football, but not in the way Timmy thinks.
We were pre judged as guilty and issued fines while in a admin. The prize money for finishing 2nd, the little money we received for Steven Davis from Southampton was hoovered by the SPL and they divvied it among themselves. Legalised theft that we had to agree to in order to have the licence transferred to allow us to play Brechin. We also had to give up the right to seek any compensation if anythhing came out down the line too I'm sure.
Absolutely! The club was clearly in very bad nick for an asset stripper like Whyte to be interested in the first place. That doesn’t make Whyte blameless I doubt he would have looked if the club had been healthy in the first place.I would certainly agree with him that the story is bigger than just the last 10 years and the story pre-dates the arrival of Whyte. Murray placed the club in serious jeopardy and the actions that lead to 2012 started years before it.
Hopefully if it ever does get to court this bit doesn't stand up as we were signing under duress.The 5way agreement was one of the biggest stitch ups in Scottish Football, but not in the way Timmy thinks.
We were pre judged as guilty and issued fines while in a admin. The prize money for finishing 2nd, the little money we received for Steven Davis from Southampton was hoovered by the SPL and they divvied it among themselves. Legalised theft that we had to agree to in order to have the licence transferred to allow us to play Brechin. We also had to give up the right to seek any compensation if anythhing came out down the line too I'm sure.
HMRC were after us from the day we said we were using EBTs. It's a myth that Reid etc encouraged them to go after us over this. Every year we had to qualify our accounts re EBTS as we were targeted by them.Everyone with a grudge (sectarian, cultural, political, sporting) put the boot into Rangers.
However, Murray made us vulnerable and certain influential people then teed us up, and if we are to believe, The Inland Revenue were encouraged to use us as a test case against a huge tax avoidance scheme used around the nation and especially in the City of London.
Has anyone investigated or written about how after eviscerating Rangers with a totally exaggerated tax bill, how HMRC with lessons learned successfully recovered billions back into the economy from other bigger and more significant users of these schemes?
One thing we as a support and a community should retain from this experience, is that the hatred is still out there and we are very much still a target of it.
Never forgive and most of all, never forget!
The SPL were being worked from the back.other clubs had money advanced despite not knowing where they would finish
ours was stolen
They did deals with other clubs who used them. Maybe Minty fighting them on it wasn't the best idea, but you have to remember if we are being told that it was kosher by lawyers at the time then why would you admit liability.HMRC were after us from the day we said we were using EBTs. It's a myth that Reid etc encouraged them to go after us over this. Every year we had to qualify our accounts re EBTS as we were targeted by them.
There is no doubt SPL and SFA could have helped us, but Lawwell did an amazing hatchet job in getting everyone against us, but if Murray wasn't so arrogant, he'd have shelved the EBTs after 3 or 4 years and settled with HMRC.
All this to save £22m approx in NI and tax.