I understand that. I was just counter acting it to get the last word in prove I'm correctI'm only explaining to you how it evolved, I have both LP and TEE towel
I understand that. I was just counter acting it to get the last word in prove I'm correctI'm only explaining to you how it evolved, I have both LP and TEE towel
I am a regular Robert.WE have had Souness, WS , Big Eck, John Greig, all ex managers and practically every player apart from McCoist and Laudrup and never had a problem. Our customers are different class and know how to behave
disagree....We should really seize this opportunity now to push to end these old songs / wordings as it will be to the club’s advantage long term to do so.
Eventually one way or the other these songs are going to go anyway (either through the club being financially punished / increased legal action prosecution of supporters) , it will be in all our best interests (not just rangers but the other organisations / community groups that the media tie in to club and out support, be it the OO, ABOD, loyalist / Protestant community / Unionist vote) to be above using this old language as soon as possible.
Being labelled with this sectarian tag because folk drag out these cringy old tunes does nothing to help the club , the image of our support and our ability to grow our fan base / sell the club to commercial partners / drive up investment , not least the energy & attention it saps out of everyone having to even address the sectarian accusations
Maybe I’ve been listening to too many joe rogan podcasts with Jordan Peterson, but the singing issue is a clear example of us having to first ‘tidy our room’ before we look at others to be seen to be credible when arguing our case / position.
Me neither mate but metaphorically speaking it happens every other week at Ibrox which is our second homeCan't ever see me having a shite on my own doorstep just cos the neighbour does on his
Every Saturday is our best song just now and is clean. The newer chants for Alfie, Halliday, Defoe are all fine.I agree with Robert
Far better songs can be sung and the add ons can be dropped on the others.
This isn't rocket science FFS
disagree....
Still not buying that Robert. I VERY much doubt the fans are going to change Dundee Aberdeen, to Follow Follow, ionly for it to revert to Dundee.... ? Hmmm it just doesn't add up. There may have been some recorded it with these changed words, it happens. But the evidence of the original follow follow hymn and the fans singing those words in 1970 steers me in this direction. Also going forward if we are to rid the song of the FTP reference, we have to rid it of Dundee Aberdeen/Hamilton. The sing is further bastardised by 'uo the falls, Derrys walls'
This properly raised its head back when the BB got banned and I genuinely feel that the majority of fans back then took on board what was happening.
The singing of the BB and the use of the add on's at many of our games reduced massively and I feel we were heading in the right direction.
The problem was that it didn't appear to be a level playing field and fans grew frustrated that others could just sing what they want without any comeback whilst we continued to be targeted. From here, rather than continuing in the right direction, we went back to singing the same old songs with the same add ons. People in glass houses and all that....we can only point fingers when we clean up our own songbook.
Imo, in 2019 we shouldn't be having converstions about religion and football, we as a support should only be interested in the quality of the player, we should be better than thatThey probably understand that 300 years of animosity between Irish immigrants and the native population doesn't really relate to Colombians, etc.
cleaned up or act, 50p Flute ? FTP and IRA / Bobby Sands
I.d rather hear BSOI / EOS / SOIP / FF or a dozen other songs. Clean up TBB
It would be easy to replace the word F with Rebel....Sorted, but the fans wouldn't do it.
Maybe once we eradicate the other ones we can revisit the BB
Half the stadium has never shouted racist abuse, ever. I don't see the relevance to imagine it. Half the stadium wasn't calling Clarke a "f word" either. Not even close to that number. It was a small section. You've got to describe what happened accurately. The media and Celtic supporters will exaggerate wildly, no need to help them out.Imagine if instead of half the stadium shouting about 19th Century Terrorist bastards it was black bastards instead . . . . .
I know that lot in the other side of the city get away with murder but I don't give a %^*& about them, I only care about Rangers and as a support and a club, we need to move past this nonsense.
That’s actually a great idea.I would like to see Rangers offer our fans a safe standing area with the proviso that anyone breaching the rules would be evicted from that area. I'm sure 99% of our fans would agree to that
PS I hated the thought of you coming all this way and not get into games.
I get abuse all the time for trying to help people lol
football will be gone by thenI long for the day that the Rangers support stops singing about the UVF and the like.
This.Changing words and dropping the add ons is the way to go.
But will it really stop the attacks on us and the club,my gut feeling about all this is that it won't ,because this is more than about football.
The rise of Scottish nationalism and their unholy alliance with the Catholic church has lead to a rise in anti unioinist/protestant hatred that goes beyond all thoughts or deeds that we might endorse because we are seen as British and therefore are the enemy of one and all.
They want us gone and nothing but that will appease them so these debates are pointless and will never make one bit of difference to changing the minds of these vile bigots.
Half the stadium has never shouted racist abuse, ever. I don't see the relevance to imagine it. Half the stadium wasn't calling Clarke a "f word" either. Not even close to that number. It was a small section. You've got to describe what happened accurately. The media and Celtic supporters will exaggerate wildly, no need to help them out.
Half a guess, %^*& the pope in the Vatican will play a big partIs Follow Follow still banned in the boozer? Heard some of the bar staff go mental when people started singing it and I was trying to work out what the problem was.
I long for the day that the Rangers support stops singing about the UVF and the like.
Glorious memory of those who fell in battle for king and country at the same time defying the home rule bill ....and people think their terrorists......Never happening
Spot on mate, and the atmosphere on the 29th was the best in years imo.The song book has been cleaned up, but you’ll never eradicate it completely and I’m pretty sure on the 29th Dec that the majority of Bears at Ibrox were singing the BB’s and more, myself included.
FF has never been banned, the add ons areIs Follow Follow still banned in the boozer? Heard some of the bar staff go mental when people started singing it and I was trying to work out what the problem was.
On our supporters club bus we allways have a loyalist cd on, and guarenteed everyone will be singing the songs on the journey home.Never happening
On our supporters club bus we allways have a loyalist cd on, and guarenteed everyone will be singing the songs on the journey home.
Glorious memory of those who fell in battle for king and country at the same time defying the home rule bill ....and people think their terrorists......
a will post a rant later on the matter
Imagine if instead of half the stadium shouting about 19th Century Terrorist bastards it was black bastards instead . . . . .
I know that lot in the other side of the city get away with murder but I don't give a %^*& about them, I only care about Rangers and as a support and a club, we need to move past this nonsense.
The sash bash thing / get the same old bus cd on is a large part of the problem with the away games plus add in booze & other drugs falsely gives the younger ones the group mentality, self confidence and power (under their misplaced cloak of anonymity / freedom) that they can sing & get away with singing any old shite as it’s tradition / part of the away game experience (fills up the boredom of the bus trip / game itself depending on how we are playingOn our supporters club bus we allways have a loyalist cd on, and guarenteed everyone will be singing the songs on the journey home.
For me since when I was a kid in the 1950s and 1960s it was just the ‘plain’ Follow Follow that I sang with my pals, in the streets of Maryhill with no add-ons, no Aberdeen and back again, no pope or Vatican, and that was the same at Ibrox when I started to go there in 1965.
I still sing the original words, which is what I’m used to, which at first confused my grandson when he started to go to the matches
We don't play songs about the UDA, they are a proscribed Organisation
Only uvf song in the louden is “coming down the road” which is about the original uvf from 1912 which went on to become the 36th divisionApologies, I meant the UVF.
Gerry McNee was offended by Does your Anchor hold also they tried to make out Penny Arcade was about a Catholic being killed in a amusement arcade that's what we are dealing with.
Good luck with the going after Celtic fans.simply won,t happen in this country.If we clean our act up, we can go after celtic fans for a number of things but until then it is just seen as point scoring.
Where did I say otherwise ?A tiny minority of fck wits attempting to portray everything we do as offensive do not hold up as an argument to continually singing words that we KNOW are genuinely frowned-upon and will land us in the sh!t.
Some muppet claiming the hokey-cokey or Penny Arcade are religious-hatred has never been anything other than laughed at.
Singing about 19th Century Terrorists WILL always get us in hot water.
They will remain untouchable till the day they kill a rangers supporter and I fear that day draws nearer every day.we are portrayed every man,women and child of us a group of people to be hated and viewed as sub human who deserve everything that’s gets thrown at us and we can clean up our songbook all we want and it won’t matter a jot to the hatersGood luck with the going after Celtic fans.simply won,t happen in this country.
Only uvf song in the louden is “coming down the road” which is about the original uvf from 1912 which went on to become the 36th division
Theres your answer.The best way to attack them is to use the paedophile. They have no answer to it.
They will remain untouchable till the day they kill a rangers supporter and I fear that day draws nearer every day.we are portrayed every man,women and child of us a group of people to be hated and viewed as sub human who deserve everything that’s gets thrown at us and we can clean up our songbook all we want and it won’t matter a jot to the haters
Oh they hate it ,one of them was trying to be funny last week with a Bear in my work on the anniversary of our Liquidation ,he said Happy Anniversary and before a reply could be given he said I know what your going to come back the Boys Club Abuse.They hate it all right and they should be a constantly reminded of it until they take some ownership of what they have done.Theres your answer.
Well said mate.
For years Rab the billy boys would never be heard at games. It’s reappearance is purely down to the one-sided mantra in Scotland.Yes it does, how can anyone come after us for singing Blue Sea Of Ibrox etc