It's not the club bosses that have been reported singing has it?The ball lies in the Club's court as it has since day one. Unfortunately you can see where they have led us off the park.
Comes with the territory of sitting there. It was BF1 that the song was reported to originate from. Not UB. That's why BF1 is closed.What if you are in bf1 but not in the ub is it ok that these fans have had their tickets removed?
And are you saying for def those on the roof have never been in BF1 or attached to the UBYou assume those on top of the disabled roof were UB?
Even though UB were centre behind the goals and the disabled roof was at the corner flag
You’re not the brightest are you?
So i miss the game even though i haven't done anything wrong because i sit where the club told me?Comes with the territory of sitting there. It was BF1 that the song was reported to originate from. Not UB. That's why BF1 is closed.
So as long as you don't get reported it is OK to blame it on the UB? What happens if some tadger runs on the pitch from Govan Front. Do we shut that section because heNo other section of the ground was reported.
That is a fact.
Cd7 aswell.Remind me where is closed as punishment? That may be a clue
No I’m saying UEFA want someone to cop for this . If it’s the UB and then that’s it that’ll do for me .Unbelievable post. You admit to singing the songs but want others banned for it. Wow!
So i miss the game even though i haven't done anything wrong because i sit where the club told me?
I dont get relocated just told they dont want my money, quick enough to take it in the past
In the interests of transparency and to avoid being hypocritical, so have I, mate.
To generalise, we've all sung them in the past.
I don't, however, do anything that would damage the club, and haven't done so for many a year.
This is a line in the sand moment for us as a support.
What's done is done – what's now important is how we move on from the past.
I should of read the full OP, somehow I managed to miss some outrageous stuff in it.
“actually wouldn't be surprised if the club didn't just disband the Union Bears anyway”. Jesus.
The pathetic finger pointing at the easy targets is unreal. But not suprised, its what we do best. Stick the knife in to our own.
The full stadium sing these songs, but you wouldn’t be surprised if the board “disbanded” the UB. To be fair to the OP, its the type of weasly move we have come to expect from Stewarty boy, but could never happen. Split them up & kill the Ibrox atmosphere forever? Maybe.
Blaming UBs for the reintroduction of TBB is absolute bullshit, they simply went with the herd when following 2012 it crept back in in the wider supports song sheet.As things stand, I'm of the opinion that the Union Bears are finished as a fans' group.
I think that the only way back for them would be if they were to work hand in hand with the club and lead the efforts to promote non-offensive songs at Ibrox and at away games.
Now, it's not for me to tell this group what to do as I'm not and never have been a member – but, if I was, I'd be approaching the club in an apologetic manner and asking what the group can do to work with the club in an effort to help educate our wider support – and safeguard the future of the Union Bears.
Just like they do with the offensive songs the Union Bears start, the rest of the ground would follow the Union Bears' lead if they started singing only acceptable songs.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if the club didn't just disband the Union Bears anyway – that's why it is, for me, imperative that the fans' group seize the initiative here to 1) lead the efforts to promote acceptable singing and 2) safeguard the future of their group and improve their relationship with the club.
Sadly, however, I think the Union Bears will take the huff again and have their silent protests etc, particularly with their section being singled out by the club over recent events with the UEFA charges.
So, instead of the fans' group – and the club – being proactive, I think that, one way or another, the Union Bears are finished.
I truly hope it doesn't come to this because there is much to admire about the Union Bears, but they need to accept criticism when it's merited – which it most definitely is in this case.
Are they collectively mature enough to recognise this, though?
I'd like to think we all – the club, the Union Bears, and the wider support – want the same thing: an
Ibrox with the world-renowned atmosphere that we're known for across the globe, but an Ibrox with a support who no longer sings the songs that will eventually lead us to being banned from Europe completely.
And, make no mistake, we will be banned from Europe if this continues.
Steven Gerrard will walk if that happens.
There's no way our manager will want to be at a Rangers who are banned from Europe – and there's no way he'll want his brand associated with a club who are banned from Europe because of what is deemed to be racist behaviour.
This would give Celtic a free run at the Champions League and effectively render us unable to meaningfully compete.
Doomsday scenario?
No, it's not.
It is a stark fact that we will be kicked out of Europe if we don't change as a support.
I'd be interested to know the thoughts of posters on this board who are members of the Union Bears, and, of course, also hear from posters who aren't members of the group.
I wish the UB would get it into their heads a lot of bears doGood post UB can only go in the huff, if the club don’t close BF1 for the season.
No way are they the heartbeat of Ibrox bollocksThe Union Bears are the heartbeat of Ibrox. I'd love them to lead the new generation of Rangers songs.
The better the fans are, the more the club thrives, the more successful we are.
It's a joint effort. We're all in this together.
Blaming UBs for the reintroduction of TBB is absolute bullshit, they simply went with the herd when following 2012 it crept back in in the wider supports song sheet.
They are been made an easy scapegoat here, but it's something they probably just have to take on the chin unfortunately just as we the Rangers support have to suck up the lack of parity we get from FARE and UEFA.
Blaming UBs for the reintroduction of TBB is absolute bullshit, they simply went with the herd when following 2012 it crept back in in the wider supports song sheet.
They are been made an easy scapegoat here, but it's something they probably just have to take on the chin unfortunately just as we the Rangers support have to suck up the lack of parity we get from FARE and UEFA.
Absolutely bang out of order to pin all the blame at the foot of the Union Bears. Bordering on pathetic
Okay then.
The Billy Boys is one of the only songs that gets sung stadium wide, the full support are responsible for it and not just the Union Bears.
Your blaming and singling out of the UB is shocking, it's a support wide issue and I'm sure you and I have sang this song on many an occasion. Accept the responsibility along with the rest of the support and stop looking for someone to blame.
Blaming UBs for the reintroduction of TBB is absolute bullshit, they simply went with the herd when following 2012 it crept back in in the wider supports song sheet.
They are been made an easy scapegoat here, but it's something they probably just have to take on the chin unfortunately just as we the Rangers support have to suck up the lack of parity we get from FARE and UEFA.
I’m not looking for anyone to blame.
I’m looking for solutions and I believe that my suggestion that the Union Bears should be proactive on this issue could end up being their finest hour.
I’d imagine the club chose that to make up the 3000?So as long as you don't get reported it is OK to blame it on the UB? What happens if some tadger runs on the pitch from Govan Front. Do we shut that section because he
Cd7 aswell.
Someone stuck in a video of the support at Killie where they tried to start Every Saturday we Follow but the wider support sang TBB. How can they be proactive then?
Accept it as a support wide problem and not one group.
Maybe club have already made that decision?
Utter pish.They're mostly bams that are causing the problems.
I can't see them being involved in the solution.
Are you saying they have?And are you saying for def those on the roof have never been in BF1 or attached to the UB
Are you in UB yourselfAre you saying they have?
Everyone needs to shoulder responsibilities. We’ve all done it and we’ve ended up here, supposedly we were reported for games last season too in which the whole stadium was singing TBB.The first rule of the unions bears - don’t criticise the union bears.
Nope. I’m in BF1 but not in the group but as has been pointed out the UB at Killie we’re centre of the stand half way up.Are you in UB yourself
I do.
I’m saying that the Union Bears, however, due to their size and influence can be proactive and lead by example.
You could consider that view to be a compliment.
You’re coming across very defensively and appear to more concerned about the Union Bears being unfairly treated than you are looking for about finding a solution to our problem singing.
Exactly everyone of the match going support has a responsibility and guilt attached to us.In my last post I stated the song was sung at Killie, the UB tried to start ESWF but the wider support starting belting out TBB. How can they lead by example and be proactive then?
My point stands, everyone has to accept responsibility. Pointing the finger at the UB doesn't help anyone, they're ultimately as guilty as the rest of us.
It wouldn’t suprise me, like I said. Its the sort of snivelling wee weasel move Robertson would like to make. Make his life a lot easier.You don’t think the club would ban the Union Bears?
I certainly hope it doesn’t come to this, but you might be in for a surprise.
I actually remember that at Killie away.In my last post I stated the song was sung at Killie, the UB tried to start ESWF but the wider support starting belting out TBB. How can they lead by example and be proactive then?
My point stands, everyone has to accept responsibility. Pointing the finger at the UB doesn't help anyone, they're ultimately as guilty as the rest of us.
It wouldn’t suprise me, like I said. Its the sort of snivelling wee weasel move Robertson would like to make. Make his life a lot easier.
Would it stop the songs though? Nope.
What is thenI wish the UB would get it into their heads a lot of bears do
No way are they the heartbeat of Ibrox bollocks
Indeed, and banning UBs solve none of the issues.I’d imagine this is way beyond Robertson’s remit.
This has to be King/Park level.
This is a huge issue for us with potentially catastrophic ramifications if we do not heed yesterday’s warning.
I like the idea of the club officially endorsing what should be sung. To me, the club being proactive makes it harder for the likes of UEFA to take issue.Songbooks handed out every seat, those lyrics or songs that are not acceptable should be left out them.
I realise this would be costly but would give the younger fans who don’t know some of the songs that rarely get sung to learn them.
Whatever happened to ‘oh the bluebells are blue’ ? Not heard that in ages
The songs have to stop immediately now. Could anyone who goes along to the Legia game on Thursday, fully aware of the ramifications of singing these songs and then belts them out, could they really call themself a supporter?It wouldn’t suprise me, like I said. Its the sort of snivelling wee weasel move Robertson would like to make. Make his life a lot easier.
Would it stop the songs though? Nope.
I like the idea of the club officially endorsing what should be sung. To me, the club being proactive makes it harder for the likes of UEFA to take issue.
I suggested on another thread that club produces a positive solution regarding what was TBB/Marching Through Georgia.
"Marching Through Georgia" is a great tune. It should be eminently possible for fans groups to agree on lyrics which could be officially endorsed and approved, beginning with "Hello Hello! We are the Rangers Boys."
This official version could be published in the programme regularly/put on the screens and the fans encouraged to sing the new version word for word. The usual warnings would apply to anyone singing unacceptable words.
This worked for "Sloop John B"/"Four Lads Had a Dream" and it's one of our best new songs.
I actually remember that at Killie away.
For years you’ve had folk complaining UB don’t sing enough loyalist/culture songs (even though it wasnt true), and you also get folk moaning that they sing over the top of people.
Now we’ve got everyone lambasting them calling on them to sing over the top of people and stop cultural songs.
Flip, flop.
Exactly everyone of the match going support has a responsibility and guilt attached to us.