sirstevefleming
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No reason why all of the CBs can’t get decent game time. Squad rotation - keeps players involved, fresh, happy and reduces risk of injury.
Purposefully obtuse?
Yes it’s not unheard of, but as I’ve clearly explained several times, it is unheard of in the case of Goldson. Tell you what, you stick to slavering shite about fans wanting to see us lose games so that their opinions are validated, and I’ll stick to engaging in a proper discussion on the subject.
Goldson is a 2m defender
Hellander a 3m defender
Katic has the potential to be 10-15m defender
You're a clown if you think Goldson is only worth £2m.
Also that's a 50/50 header tav not tucking in and picking up moh was the problemOther than the header that ended up infront of MoH I'm not sure what else Helander done that wrong.
Thanks for the abuse
If goldson was sold today we would get 2-3m for him
I like goldson but he has made mistakes recently
I think everyone wanting Katic and Helander is getting things mixed up. They both step onto the ball, Helander slightly less so, and there’s no way the gaffer will play them together too often.
I love big Niko and think he’ll be a top player but facts are he played offside v the abusers when he shouldn’t have done, had a nightmare v Livi and generally struggles v the press playing on his wrong side. It’s hardly an outrageous decision to bring in a 3 m international in those circs.
It's almost Messi Ronaldo stuff.Thursday his pass to Arfield won us the corner, his challenge lead to their hand ball. Had 2 good headers from corners and nearly scored. Clean sheet.
Today he scored and played good. Another clean sheet.
What are you seeing that I'm not?
We paid £3m for Goldson.
Are you seriously suggesting we'd lose money on him if we sold him to back down to England tomorrow ?
I could see him coming in against the sheep due to them lumping it up to cosgroveKatic main strength is winning headers tbh in the last two games we haven’t really came up against a proper target man. I’m sure Katic will come back into contention.
Hang on a second. Who was the main culprit for that Edouard goal? It wasn’t Katic I can tell you that, him and his defensive partners were dropped in the shit by Goldson, and had a split second decision to make, following Jack when he stepped up. He had a shite game against Livingston, but the question that people keep asking, and so many keep ducking, is why was he then dropped when Goldson has had several ropey games going back into last season?
Where have I said that?
Goldson hasn’t been as bad as you/others are making out. He’s contributed to a good start to the season and is an important figure for the manager on & off the field.
Every manager has their favourites and will build the team around them. Again, that’s football.
I think he is a 2-3m defender and thats what we paid
I dont think he has gone up in value from that
I’d guess our GK will have an influence on SG’s thinking.I wonder if Goldson actually has a say in this?
That he would prefer to pålay with Helander over Katic.
Katic and Helander have had niggles with each other recently
I thought Helander was immense on Thursday and was pleasantly surprised with his pace.
I think between them Katic and Goldson need someone in there that’s got a bit more pace.
Some will say Katic didn’t deserve to be dropped but maybe just horses for courses like Defoe and Morelos.. maybe
Katic had to go with his man against celtic.
He tried to step up and play offside and didn't catch him off.
Very bad defending even if your centre half isn't already out of position.
He made the wrong decision, he’s still unlikely to catch a Edouard by that point, and however you dress it up, Goldson will always be the primary culprit where that goal is concerned, and looking at some of his passing today, it’ll probably happen again at some stage.
So him playing a part in two Europa League qualifications against several higher seeds and cutting our goals against record by almost half from the previous season counts for nothing ?
Yet Katic plays half the games and is somehow rated at £10-15m by you ?
How does that work?
We haven't conceded a goal with Helander on the pitch and already people are calling to bring Katic back into the fold.
He's really going to be up against it to win some supporters over. Wonder what the reaction will be like on here if he actually does have a bad game.
One made a mistake almost on the half way line.
One made one on the 18 yard line.
How ever you want to dress it up
Haha, okay then. Turn a blind eye!
By the way your man in your avatar there would tell you your talking bollocks.
P2 win2 clean sheets 2 says it allIt feel that Gerrard was waiting for a weak performance to get Helander in the team. Katic for me has proved to be a great player for us and understand some games we all have poor games (although I didn’t thank it was all that bad). What I would say is that Helander didn’t have the best game today and early signs doesn’t make me feel he’s any better.
While in the topic of Cbs I thought Golson was immense today
Helander and Katic for meHelander is our best CH by quite some distance.
First half his distribution was poorIt feel that Gerrard was waiting for a weak performance to get Helander in the team. Katic for me has proved to be a great player for us and understand some games we all have poor games (although I didn’t thank it was all that bad). What I would say is that Helander didn’t have the best game today and early signs doesn’t make me feel he’s any better.
While in the topic of Cbs I thought Golson was immense today
You and a number of others were in the match threads implying people will be eagerly awaiting opposition goals so they can complain about Katic’s omission.
I didn’t say Goldson was bad at all, I said he hasn’t performed as well as Katic and is an permanent fix in the defence even if he’s the lesser performer. You’re right, managers have favourites, that doesn’t mean it’s right and it doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be criticised for it.
Hang on a second. Who was the main culprit for that Edouard goal? It wasn’t Katic I can tell you that, him and his defensive partners were dropped in the shit by Goldson, and had a split second decision to make, following Jack when he stepped up. He had a shite game against Livingston, but the question that people keep asking, and so many keep ducking, is why was he then dropped when Goldson has had several ropey games going back into last season?
Katic wouldn't have had to do anything if Goldson had not gave the ball away yet again.Katic had to go with his man against celtic.
He tried to step up and play offside and didn't catch him off.
Very bad defending even if your centre half isn't already out of position.
I love Katic but he's I'm danger of being seriously over rated on here.
Defence looks more balanced currently and I'd prefer the Goldson/Helander partnership, simply because it's the most experienced and best I've seen technically from the options we have.
That said, I'd expect both Katic and Edmunsen to have their opportunities this season.
Katic wouldn't have had to do anything if Goldson had not gave the ball away yet again.
Off the boil is being kind to both of them.
My best guess is someone was abusive to Greg.Aye that was an odd one.
He's played two games cvs. Talk about apples and oranges.We haven't conceded a goal with Helander on the pitch and already people are calling to bring Katic back into the fold.
He's really going to be up against it to win some supporters over. Wonder what the reaction will be like on here if he actually does have a bad game.
There are man management questions need asked of SG that's why. But of course on here he's Teflon.My best guess is someone was abusive to Greg.
But if so, why not delete the post, instead of the whole thread?
I know it’s been discussed before, but the debate had moved on a bit. Unlike this perpetual sense of grievance on behalf of Katic.
It’s the strangest thing the love affair some have for him.My best guess is someone was abusive to Greg.
But if so, why not delete the post, instead of the whole thread?
I know it’s been discussed before, but the debate had moved on a bit. Unlike this perpetual sense of grievance on behalf of Katic.
I recall Gerrard being very clear when Katic arrived that he was a young, developing player, and not meant to be a fixture in the first team. He did better than expected early on.There are man management questions need asked of SG that's why. But of course on here he's Teflon.
I recall Gerrard being very clear when Katic arrived that he was a young, developing player, and not meant to be a fixture in the first team. He did better than expected early on.
Gerrard tried to rest him by bringing in Worrall last season, and that didn’t work out too well, but Helander is a class above. Now that he’s in the team, Katic is likely to be a squad player for a while. No reflection on Katic, whose time will come.
All IMVHO, of course.