Suspensions aren't wiped till after the QFs so it might be worth Morelos getting deliberately booked against Feyenoord if results are going our way.
His name is Alfie Morelos not Sergio cheatin bastard Ramos.
Suspensions aren't wiped till after the QFs so it might be worth Morelos getting deliberately booked against Feyenoord if results are going our way.
Morelos should start every game imo,Should he sit this one out and we concentrate on the home game due to 1 yellow away from suspension?
No.Should he sit this one out and we concentrate on the home game due to 1 yellow away from suspension?
Play him score and take a yellow for celebrationsShould he sit this one out and we concentrate on the home game due to 1 yellow away from suspension?
You’ve got to expect Porto to win in Switzerland.Does that not also depend on the Porto result in Switzerland?
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You’ve got to expect Porto to win in Switzerland.
Their only hope of qualification.
If we beat Feyenoord we’re through, because Feyenoord can’t catch us, as they’d be 6 points behind. And it would only be possible for Porto to finish equal on points with us and we beat them on head to head.
If Feyenoord beat us, there is a chance we might not go through, even if we beat YB. We’d have to beat YB in the final match and win on aggregate in the 2 games against them.
If we beat Feyenoord we’re through, because Feyenoord can’t catch us, as they’d be 6 points behind. And it would only be possible for Porto to finish equal on points with us and we beat them on head to head.
If Feyenoord beat us, there is a chance we might not go through, even if we beat YB. We’d have to beat YB in the final match and win on aggregate in the 2 games against them.
In this scenario where we are all on ten , it would go to a mini group Between the 3 of us , and we would only have 4 points , Porto and YB would have 6.Yes but if Porto and us are both on 10 points then so are YB and we each have a winning and losing position in the head to heads.
I see Coplandted has explained it earlier.
It’s not correct. We will go out if Porto win their last two and we win against Feyenoord and lose at home to YB. All of us on 10 points but we have poorer head to against again “ all tied teams “ we will only have taken 4 points against the two , Porto will have 6 and YB would have 6. It’s not head to head against direct opponents , it’s head to head v all tied teams combined.Correct
Porto can't finish above us on head 2 head, should we finish on the same points.Does that not also depend on the Porto result in Switzerland?
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If they can get a draw in Switzerland then beat Feyenoord they'd go through as long as we beat YB.Based on what? I can’t see that Porto side get anything better than a draw in Switzerland myself.
You’ve got to expect Porto to win in Switzerland.
Their only hope of qualification.
Porto can't finish above us on head 2 head, should we finish on the same points.
I believe there’s a scenario where 3 of us end on 10 points and it’s the head to head record between the 3 teams overall that comes in to play, we end up third.
FFS it's like Carol Vodermann on speed in here. Look like a draw away and a win at home sees us through regardless.
Based on the fact that, after beating Rangers, that YB side were rubbish and wouldn’t win another point in the group.Based on what? I can’t see that Porto side get anything better than a draw in Switzerland myself.
That’d be Porto out of it then.I believe there’s a scenario where 3 of us end on 10 points and it’s the head to head record between the 3 teams overall that comes in to play, we end up third.
See reply to the other poster.I don’t
That’d be Porto out of it then.
Yeah, got it.If we beat Feyenoord and lose to YB, while Porto win their final 2 games, we finish third.
Yeah, got it.
Apologies.
We should be aiming to win the group, not just qualify, so win both games please.
Would rather be seeded and avoid the potential chance of playing teams such as the loser from Ajax/Chelsea/Valencia (all currently sitting on 7 points), or Dortmund/Inter Milan, Zenit/Lyon, Shakhtar/Dynamo Zagreb etc.
Would also mean avoiding probable Europa group winners such as Man United, Arsenal and Sevilla.
6 more points please!
This then play defoe against YB and have Morelos back for the knockout stagesI'd say play him as it's the harder of our last 2 games. If we win and he gets booked it wouldn't matter if he misses the YB game.
We should be aiming to win the group, not just qualify, so win both games please.
Would rather be seeded and avoid the potential chance of playing teams such as the loser from Ajax/Chelsea/Valencia (all currently sitting on 7 points), or Dortmund/Inter Milan, Zenit/Lyon, Shakhtar/Dynamo Zagreb etc.
Would also mean avoiding probable Europa group winners such as Man United, Arsenal and Sevilla.
6 more points please!
A draw with Feyenoord and Porto drawing with YB I think puts us through in 2nd minimum, as we have better head 2 head with Porto and Feyenord and their maximum point tally would be 8. If we then beat YB we top the group.
(I will stand corrected if got that wrong)
we would have 10 pts porto 10 pts who has the better head to head its porto that would be out as we have a win and draw against portoYeah, got it.
Apologies.
No, if we win vs Feyenoord and lose vs YB only Porto could catch us on points and we’d win on H2HDoes that not also depend on the Porto result in Switzerland?
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No, if we win vs Feyenoord and lose vs YB only Porto could catch us on points and we’d win on H2H
we would have 10 pts porto 10 pts who has the better head to head its porto that would be out as we have a win and draw against porto
Yes, you are correct on that. Then we'd need to beat YB to top group.A draw with Feyenoord and Porto drawing with YB I think puts us through in 2nd minimum, as we have better head 2 head with Porto and Feyenord and their maximum point tally would be 8. If we then beat YB we top the group.
(I will stand corrected if got that wrong)
Eh no we wouldn’t? Us and YBs would go out. If we beat Feyenoord then Feyenoord can’t catch yaClearly in this scenario YB would also have 10 points, and we would be eliminated.
No, if we win vs Feyenoord and lose vs YB only Porto could catch us on points and we’d win on H2H
He knows we haven’t qualified, that’s why he said concentrate on the home game.We haven't qualified yet and there's still a good possibility we won't get through, we need our best team on the pitch until our name is in the hat for the last 32.
How can you reply to him explaining how it works with that conclusion?That’d be Porto out of it then.
Explaining this might get old for you soonIt would be a 3 way head to head between us Porto and YB and we’d finish 3rd
I don’t think that’s right, if it’s a 3 way H2H then we would be above Porto. Porto can’t beat us on the H2H ruleIt would be a 3 way head to head between us Porto and YB and we’d finish 3rd