We have the second biggest budget in the league and sit second in the league. What’s your point?Of course they’re the ones who started all this but we’re now in a position where we have by far the second biggest budget in the league.
There gets a point that a line has to be drawn and fans stop looking backwards.
2012 is not the reason that we’ve dropped 10 points since returning from the winter break. Our squad shouldn’t be capitulating in the manner that it is, so let’s look at the causes of that rather than citing 7/8 years ago as an excuse
So how long to we hang in sorry but it is blind faith so we give him say another 3 year a we still haven't won a trophy then what another 3 sorry but being 2nd isn't acceptable.
It was double that when we done niar and we still struggled,what did help though was Celtic were in a similar financial mess to us and if McCann hadn’t turned up we might have got 15 titles,we are not far away we need to get a grip because if we sack Gerard THEY WILL get 15.because the wage bill is 35M and we've spent 7M on one player
if you can't beat the likes of st johnstone with that budget you're a fucking failure that's why
We were cheated out of the league cup a couple of months ago but people have forgotten that and use it as a stick to beat Gerrard with now.
We have the second biggest budget in the league and sit second in the league. What’s your point?
I’d rather we won the league, but that isn’t going to happen this year. We’ve made progress in the past 2 seasons. For thatGerrard deserves another season.
Is that how guys like haliday are n the squad ffsThe whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.
Not sure if Celtic have downgraded massively in all honesty.
Manager maybe, but certainly not in the playing squad they haven't.
Let’s just forget about the progress will we? The European football doesn’t matter. Pedro would have been sacked for this so Gerrard should be too? Take your negativity to fu ck mate.The point is that people keep casting up 2012 as some form of counter argument to people who say we should be expecting better.
Our form since the winter break would’ve been enough to see Pedro sacked and he had a fraction of the budget Gerrard had
What are the KPI's? When are we allowed to be critical? How long is the plan?
We can't expect to be brilliant all the time,we have made progress in Europe but we shouldn't be throwing away points from winning positions in this league.The whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.
I’m sure we have more points in the league than this stage last season. I’m sure we have went further in Europe than we did last season. I’m also sure we were in a cup final where we were robbed.We're no further than we were last season.
As always, Europe is a bonus once we get to the groups.
Of course they’re the ones who started all this but we’re now in a position where we have by far the second biggest budget in the league.
There gets a point that a line has to be drawn and fans stop looking backwards.
2012 is not the reason that we’ve dropped 10 points since returning from the winter break. Our squad shouldn’t be capitulating in the manner that it is, so let’s look at the causes of that rather than citing 7/8 years ago as an excuse
by now we should be destroying the likes of kilmarnock and st johnstone
As far as I am concerned if he doesn't win the scottish cup then he should go as for who we bring in I honestly dont have a clue .We gave him a four year contract initially. It's been extended. I think we both know that if we end this season without anything then by xmas he could be gone, unless we're running riot in the first few months. It's not limitless and it's not blind faith. It's called trust and backing the guy in the job.
If we end this season with nothing and we're toiling at the start of next season I don't believe the board will have to sack him. SG will know himself.
What do you suggest? Sack him now? In the summer? And bring in who?? And tell them that - by the way - you absolutely have to stop Celtic winning 10IAR this season? And if they don't, do we get rid of them too?
We need some stability and we need to hold our nerve.
Maybe, however the manager is key, they have went from a top Premiership manager to Lennon, massive downgrading.
Not sure three more wins in the league is really a measurable difference. More just circumstance going your way could explain that small a change. little luckier nothing more.I’m sure we have more points in the league than this stage last season. I’m sure we have went further in Europe than we did last season. I’m also sure we were in a cup final where we were robbed.
maybe I’m just too much of an optimist!
Let’s just forget about the progress will we? The European football doesn’t matter. Pedro would have been sacked for this so Gerrard should be too? Take your negativity to fu ck mate.
We have the second biggest budget in the league and guess what, we’re second.
Makes sense really when you think about it, eh?
We have the second biggest budget in the league and guess what, we’re second.
Makes sense really when you think about it, eh?
As far as I am concerned if he doesn't win the scottish cup then he should go as for who we bring in I honestly dont have a clue .
As for trust how can we trust a manager when we again have seen the team fall on its arse after the break nothing he is doing suggests next season will be any different.
As for baking I think he has had plenty from both the board and the fans .
Just my honest opinion but I think a more seasoned manager with a few quality players could stop 10 for the mentally challengeds I dont think Gerrard can if he is in charge next season it will still be the same formation that obviously doesn't work.
As far as I am concerned if he doesn't win the scottish cup then he should go as for who we bring in I honestly dont have a clue .
As for trust how can we trust a manager when we again have seen the team fall on its arse after the break nothing he is doing suggests next season will be any different.
As for baking I think he has had plenty from both the board and the fans .
Just my honest opinion but I think a more seasoned manager with a few quality players could stop 10 for the mentally challengeds I dont think Gerrard can if he is in charge next season it will still be the same formation that obviously doesn't work.
Most sensible post of the yearThe whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.
This kind of talk, as reasonable and realistic as it may be, does have a shelf life though, I’m afraid.
We could continue stumbling along until the season’s end, wind up 20 points behind the Yahoos and bowl out of the Europa League and Scottish Cup and Gerrard will still be here next season.
That’s just a fact, but if we’re in this point again in twelve months time with the Beasts en route to TIAR, the long term growth line is going to be down to the bare bones of its arse.
When recruitment has been more hit than miss it just feels like shooting ourselves in foot.
we haven’t spent a coin on a midfielder in Gerrards time. Aribo we paid 350k for but he was shifted Into the front three.
Did have our chance against hibs but we managed to blow that one.Did you expect us to win a major trophy when we were playing in the bottom two tears of Scottish football
Lucky we came from at all. Do well to remember that.4 trebles in a row is unforgivable. Doesn’t matter where we have came from.
The whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.
There is that train of thought or another one which is we have thrown more than we have at it and ended up with Kent and Helander for £10m without getting close to it.The whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.
Can you honestly say he is learning from his mistakes for some reason he is persisting with the same formation I honestly wish I could see it was going to get better under SG but I cant.I honestly think going with him next season could be disastrous for the club but that's just my opinion and we are all entitled to one.I agree the SC is hugely important.
The rest of it we'll just have to agree to disagree on mate. We get rid of Gerrard then we're also facing getting rid of most of the first XI too as they are the ones who are not delivering on the pitch. Where we find the £25M+ to do all that - again - and be in a better position to stop 10IAR, which is what seems to be the driver here - is utterly beyond me.
As it stands we have a respected, decent young manager whom we've built the current squad and off the pitch operation around. For him to bridge the gap with some ins and outs and a bit of hard thinking is - I would suggest - more plausible in terms of winning the league next season than starting from scratch again.
Lennon is sitting on 76 points right now.
Rodgers in his time here was 80, 64 and 66 after the same amount of games.
There's not that much of a drop off in levels of performance from Rodgers first season and it's miles better than his last 2.
If anything, the Tims are going for their opponents throat a helluva lot more under Lennon.
would have guessed Rodgers would be beating him every season, there is a very good chance they win the league by more than they did last year which is what progress should be based onLennon is sitting on 76 points right now.
Rodgers in his time here was 80, 64 and 66 after the same amount of games.
There's not that much of a drop off in levels of performance from Rodgers first season and it's miles better than his last 2.
If anything, the Tims are going for their opponents throat a helluva lot more under Lennon.
I agree with a lot of what you say. However:The whole model from root to fruit is for a long term squad and supportive infrastructure that is sustainable when we return to the top. Quick fixes don’t work and we don’t have the finance to do it anyway.
It may take longer than we all want, but we can’t deny the improvement across the board, especially in a European competition we didn’t expect to even get out of qualification for.
We need to stop acting like spoilt weans demanding everything immediately and realise that one of the all time great leaders is at the helm. He’s bringing us back from what was a horrendous mess, to being able to beat the time on their own patch, get out of a very high calibre European group and give us a situation where we can even consider challenging for the league.
We should forget about stopping 9 or 10. Personally it means nothing to me as they know they’ve not been contested. I will take the current model every day of the week, as we are gradually making up the ground and when we go past them, we will have the strength and stability to keep them in their box for a long time.