blueboy74
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Should be starting on April 1st mate
Hearts/Partick Thistle SFA Charge (Notice of Complaint)
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Seeing as the arbitration is under the SPFL/SFA articles of association it’s not a good look for the SFA, especially with Doncaster on a SFA committee (I know technically he will not be involved in this NOC)
I wonder how the Lord from the other week would view these developments?
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Simply a Bear
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Midfield General
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When is the rest of Scottish Football going to wake up and challenge the cabal.
You don't have to be a fan of thistle or hearts to see this is intimidation and totally wrong.
The cabal are clearly shiting it that thistle and hearts win their case,no relegation therefore no champions and the scum are stripped of the title they were awarded at the zoom conference.Its time for a no confidence vote on the SPFL and SFA board.
You don't have to be a fan of thistle or hearts to see this is intimidation and totally wrong.
The cabal are clearly shiting it that thistle and hearts win their case,no relegation therefore no champions and the scum are stripped of the title they were awarded at the zoom conference.Its time for a no confidence vote on the SPFL and SFA board.
Barrymoped
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What would you like the club to say on an ongoing argument between Hearts and Partick, and the SPFL?
Der Berliner
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This is primarily Hearts' and Thistle's fight, but I would assume that we are looking at it closely.
People sometimes need to remind themselves what Rangers are really able to do legally ... and no, I have no clue either. Just taking the SPFL to court is apparently not an option?
I'm content with it. I'd like to think we are backing them privately and tbf our dossier will be a huge peice of evidence.
We didn’t take the SPFL to court so we can’t be charged like HMFC or PTFC.
They’d have to come up with some other trumped-up charges.
sw26
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No European football would mean this is an absolute non-starter.
BruceyBalboa
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Unsurprising in this daft arse bizzaro footballing world that is Scottish Football.
I go in every single season wanting to win the title, goes without saying. But I want next years title, and doubt I've wanted anything more. I want it as a big brazen middle finger to the authorities who govern football in this country, Celtic (although that's two cheeks of the same arse) and the rest of their arselickers and hangers on. Their kid on pursuit of a non existent 10 means nothing to me in the slightest. I just want it as a get it up ye and for our supporters who have had to deal with this for at least the best part of 12 years.
I go in every single season wanting to win the title, goes without saying. But I want next years title, and doubt I've wanted anything more. I want it as a big brazen middle finger to the authorities who govern football in this country, Celtic (although that's two cheeks of the same arse) and the rest of their arselickers and hangers on. Their kid on pursuit of a non existent 10 means nothing to me in the slightest. I just want it as a get it up ye and for our supporters who have had to deal with this for at least the best part of 12 years.
Hanover_Loyal
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So Rod McKenzie and 2 mates from the Groin Brigade.
She’s not. She’s played the odds & the fact that the Lord specifically flagged up the legality of this type of action from the SFA suggests to me that it’s the SFA that’s on shaky ground here, not Hearts or Thistle.
Valley Bluenose
RTV? Completed it mate!
Mr_Miscellaneous
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Look, they could have filed a complaint about SPFL chairman Neil Doncaster, of course he would recuse himself and would go and ask for SFA board member Neil Doncaster to arbitrate what information should be shared with the clubs and what the possible outcomes should be.
Should the clubs have any issue with the fair arbitration of Neil Doncaster into the charges against Neil Doncaster (who are, legally speaking, seperate entities) they could go and take a grievance to UEFA's "Control, Ethics and Disciplinary body" where board member Neil Doncaster would be willing to take a balanced approach to the charges levied against Neil Doncaster.
Of course, if UEFA's Neil Doncaster found the charge to be contemptuous he could levy sanctions, as arbitration would have failed due to the actions of the clubs, SFA board member Neil Doncaster may wish to levy charges too and should those two bodies find charges to bring against the complainants, SPFL's Neil Doncaster may wish to bring additional charges for their actions.
What's the problem guys? Why did you decide to go to court instead of using the official channels? This is a totally, 100% legit operation and not a mob outfit!
Should the clubs have any issue with the fair arbitration of Neil Doncaster into the charges against Neil Doncaster (who are, legally speaking, seperate entities) they could go and take a grievance to UEFA's "Control, Ethics and Disciplinary body" where board member Neil Doncaster would be willing to take a balanced approach to the charges levied against Neil Doncaster.
Of course, if UEFA's Neil Doncaster found the charge to be contemptuous he could levy sanctions, as arbitration would have failed due to the actions of the clubs, SFA board member Neil Doncaster may wish to levy charges too and should those two bodies find charges to bring against the complainants, SPFL's Neil Doncaster may wish to bring additional charges for their actions.
What's the problem guys? Why did you decide to go to court instead of using the official channels? This is a totally, 100% legit operation and not a mob outfit!
Because that's what the rules required. I agree there is no chance as they are not impartial. However they have to go through the process.
We couldnt win a vote for an independent investigation, why do folk think we would have sufficient support for a breakaway league
Grigo Yossarian
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sw26
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That would go well.
- No European football
- Resignation period
- A handful of jobber clubs signing up
Never going to happen.
Jason2101
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Totally agree with the clubs position here. It would distract the momentum from Hearts and Partick Thistle. Some folk on here just don’t see the Bigger Picture. Feck if we are not releasing a statement they are not happy. Leave it to the Big Boys.
Sensiblesteve
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I don’t think so , there’s enough going on without us getting involved just yet
Timing is everything.....
biggames1220
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These guys would make Tony Soprano blush.
fergie1959
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Aye. Right.
It seems extremely foolhardy of the SFA given Lord Clark's comments on the legality of this type of SFA clause due to the potential sanctions being so draconian.
It does seem a bit of a 'panic stations' move by the SFA (let's face it, on behalf of the SPFL).
I am sure the SPFL/SFA wish to keep the whole matter out of court but it seems to me it could have the opposite effect.
Mental.
ChildOfGoth
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You think spfl would have a tv deal of anything like that magnitude without OF games ?
No scottish league would prosper without a combined league it’s really that fundamental isn’t it
ChildOfGoth
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Yes it’s a big card . But then again you can always try it then back down afterwards. That s what will happen imo .
Amps and volts mate.
Hanover_Loyal
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Why would Hearts/Thistle choose Fat Rod. Or any Dhims?
Meant the other sides selection, sorry. Not had time to keep up !
ChildOfGoth
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Post of the seasons . Brilliant .
Wowser. The SFA might just have stepped over a line. Lord Clark, in his legal Opinion, stated the following :-
"I was taken to the SFA’s Judicial Panel Protocol and shown a provision which applies where a member or an associated person takes a dispute, which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99, to a court of law, in circumstances other than those expressly provided by the terms of Article 99. The provision refers to penalties of up to £1,000,000 and/or suspension or termination of the club’s membership of the SFA being imposed if a court action is raised. In my opinion, the existence of that potential penalty (which includes expulsion or as Mr Moynihan put it, being put “out of the game”) is a factor which requires to be considered when analysing the lawfulness or otherwise of Article 99.15"
My reading of that is he was not impressed with a clause that disciplines clubs for seeking legal redress. I think his meaning was clear - the existance of this disciplinary clause may invalidate Clause 99.15, the clause used to force Hearts and Thistle to go down the arbitration route. It was that clause, together with the allegations of breaches in company law, that convinced Lord Clark to require 3 legal panelists.
"I was taken to the SFA’s Judicial Panel Protocol and shown a provision which applies where a member or an associated person takes a dispute, which is referable to arbitration in terms of Article 99, to a court of law, in circumstances other than those expressly provided by the terms of Article 99. The provision refers to penalties of up to £1,000,000 and/or suspension or termination of the club’s membership of the SFA being imposed if a court action is raised. In my opinion, the existence of that potential penalty (which includes expulsion or as Mr Moynihan put it, being put “out of the game”) is a factor which requires to be considered when analysing the lawfulness or otherwise of Article 99.15"
My reading of that is he was not impressed with a clause that disciplines clubs for seeking legal redress. I think his meaning was clear - the existance of this disciplinary clause may invalidate Clause 99.15, the clause used to force Hearts and Thistle to go down the arbitration route. It was that clause, together with the allegations of breaches in company law, that convinced Lord Clark to require 3 legal panelists.
55degreesnorth
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Why bother wading into a brawl when your enemies are doing a good enough job of tearing into each other?
Like fudging a vote?
Div1872
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Yet another bully Bhoy tactic from the SFA
Hearts & Thistle will have Lord Clarke comments behind them re the SFA rules etc
Also the timing surely is not fair given both clubs are just starting arbitration to try and resolve the dispute without Lord Clarke making a judgement in law
Wish Rangers or Sheep would raise a vote of no confidence in both Doncaster and Maxwell after their letter to UEFA prior to the original vote to end the league but conveniently want to complete the Scottish Cup
Both governing bodies are a corrupt shambles run by Lieswell and McKenzie behind the scenes
Hearts & Thistle will have Lord Clarke comments behind them re the SFA rules etc
Also the timing surely is not fair given both clubs are just starting arbitration to try and resolve the dispute without Lord Clarke making a judgement in law
Wish Rangers or Sheep would raise a vote of no confidence in both Doncaster and Maxwell after their letter to UEFA prior to the original vote to end the league but conveniently want to complete the Scottish Cup
Both governing bodies are a corrupt shambles run by Lieswell and McKenzie behind the scenes
Tomted
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Could be, CC, but Mrs Budge will be clever and wealthy enough to engage the services of a high calibre legal adviser.
It’s the biggest farce in Scottish fitba since Bertie Volts.
High Society
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They don’t appoint the panel, they get to choose 1 of the 3. Why do people keep repeating misinformation
McQueen
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I’m with you mate. Fuc king embarrassment being a part of this shitshow. I’d have no problem with Scottish football collapsing and us joining the lower leagues in England. Anything’s better than being subject to this constant corruption.
Disrepute for not treating Board members with respect (when we asked for McKenzie and Doncaster removal). They can do that and I hope they do. Bring it on.
High Society
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We didn’t ”back down“ we went the distance and our fellow member clubs voted against our motion.
Too many people on here keep going on an on about mad actions that would only lead to us being humiliated by the Cabal.
We are only one voice out of 42, we have built up a bit of a base now with 12 clubs voting with us. It’s the fence sitters we need to win over.
High Society
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Crazy talk again. We would never get EUFA approval for a breakaway league.
tottie beck
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Just lays bare what we already knew, the SFA are every bit as corrupt and dangerous as the SPFL, especially with Mulroney in charge
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