Wayne Barnes and Jonathon Davies never played the game at a high level. I think the standard of refereeing in rugby union is very good although i have seen some stinking decisions.Are most Rugby refs not well respected as they played the game to a high level?
Our referees come from nowhere and seem to go through more training in how to act the lady's front bottom than how to officiate!
You must’ve missed the tries wrongly disallowed and those wrongly given, if you are indeed a coach and you think the standard of officiating has been good then that is worrying, I’m not a coach but I did play at a very decent level for a long time.I do not agree.
The referee in the Wales v England game made a mistake by allowing Wales to take a quick penalty when England weren't ready, which resulted in a try. The referee apologised after the match.
Apart from that I can't think of any other incorrect decision.
Today’s Rugby Refs are fast tracked like Football, most are very inexperienced, especially of forward play.Are most Rugby refs not well respected as they played the game to a high level?
Our referees come from nowhere and seem to go through more training in how to act the lady's front bottom than how to officiate!
I've been saying that for a long time the ONLY reason they would not do it would be because they have things that they must cover up, give us honesty and transparency with no skulduggery and secret panels.Mic them up.
Spot on sir.I'm a rugby union coach and a qualified club rugby referee.
There are so many things football could learn from the game of rugby, but respect is over and above the main difference between the 2 sports. As a coach we instill into players from 5 years old that you respect the referee and do not speak back.
One thing about last Thursday's match that the rules of rugby would have stopped would have been the persistent fouling of Ryan Kent. In rugby after a couple of fouls, the referee would warn the offending team that the next person would receive a yellow card and spend 10 minutes in
the sin bin. That would have stopped Slavia Prague's cynical tactics.
Also, don't get me started on the play acting, rugby does not stand for that type of behaviour.
I do not agree.
The referee in the Wales v England game made a mistake by allowing Wales to take a quick penalty when England weren't ready, which resulted in a try. The referee apologised after the match.
Apart from that I can't think of any other incorrect decision.
It’s a different game when you start to play rugby at a young age your taught to respect the ref and his decision is final. Also if you disagree with the ref on a penalty decision he will give another 10m for the back chat so players tend not to argue with the officials
Always thought Football could learn from Rugby in a lot of ways. Respect for refs is a starter.Just watched an incredible game of egg chasing of France V Wales. Several game changing decisions. However, they were dealt with professionally and the correct decision arrived at. No back chat from players. They have been doing this for years with the TMO system. Why hasn’t footy copied this? It’s a proven system and the respect for the refs is first class. Where have we went so wrong?
Look at our citing system. Both Ajeti and Taylor recent penalties were deemed acceptable. I suppose there is the root of the problem. Our governing bodies are not fit for purpose.Quite simple to solve. In some instances in Rugby League the ref stops play, puts the player on report and its looked at after the game and bans given out accordingly. A professional version of our compliance officer and not decided by media but the officials.
It doesnt help the team affected but a decent attempt at driving out cheating and dangerous play
But we shouldn’t accept this. It’s that simple.Football would end as a game if they got rugby refs to run it.
The whole 'respect the referee' thing would lead to swathes of lippy wee neds getting sent off.
If they then added the culture of not pretending to be hurt, that would lead to another wave of yellow cards for simulation.
Once you have either played football at any level or watched any rugby, you know how players act when they are actually injured (clue: they tend not to writhe around on the ground or clutch body parts unrelated to the area that took the hit. When you are actually hurt, you STAY hurt).
the refs fair game once hes out of his kit mate hahaI spend my entire time watching rugby whinging at the referees, they're definitely not perfect. The players may accept the decisions but it doesn't mean they respect them! Alex Dunbar called one a dickhead in the clubhouse after one Warriors game.
Haha, it wasn't to the refs face. He'd been yellow carded with five minutes to go, I couldn't see it properly but I completely agreed with Dunbar.the refs fair game once hes out of his kit mate haha
aslong as we respect him for the 80mins
One lot are in many cases overpaid, overhyped, mollycoddled prima donnas and the other lot are Rugby players.
Agree watched this egg chasing game as well and the ref was interacting and explaining every decision and no back chat either from the players, even told big Jones the captain to sort it out or more would be going off as well. Any decision that required a review was sorted in a few seconds as wellJust watched an incredible game of egg chasing of France V Wales. Several game changing decisions. However, they were dealt with professionally and the correct decision arrived at. No back chat from players. They have been doing this for years with the TMO system. Why hasn’t footy copied this? It’s a proven system and the respect for the refs is first class. Where have we went so wrong?
One thing we could take from rugby league is - any back chat and your defensive line gets put back ten metres.
Being party to these conversations also helps the fans understand the rules better. Imagine if every football fan actually knew the rules and what the ref is looking for!I don’t think they (rugby officials) get every decision right even with TMO and can include last night in that too but they at least are transparent and explain their decision making process which helps greatly.
They tried the 10 yards a few seasons ago in league cup matches but quickly dropped it.Aren't walls moved back of there's any shit at free kicks?
Sin bin should be introduced for backchat.
Agreed. Rugby refs act like teachers. They don't rush in to punish behaviour. They call the players over to them and calmly explain the offending players actions and the consequences of such. Back-chat can and will lead to overturned decisions and cards.A long time. Every decision explained.
They tried the 10 yards a few seasons ago in league cup matches but quickly dropped it.
The other controversial try in that game was more of an issue imo. As far as I’m concerned the Welsh player lost control of the ball and it should have been a knock on. But, by the laws of the game, it wasn’t because the ball hadn’t touched the ground. The ref was correct, just didn’t seem right.
I like this idea. It's at the stage now where commentators are judging the referee's decision by the reaction of the players. "He didn't make much of an appeal for a penalty there" etc. Surely it only matters what the referee thinks.I've long since thought football should introduce the sin bin. Would stop the constant back chat, so called gamesmanship of trying to influence the ref into decisions. That doesn't help things with our refs.
Imagine trying to do your work with 4 or 5 guys round every few minutes shouting rubbish at you to try and change the outcome.
Spot on, I think if you are blocking a free kick from being taken it should be carded or free kick moved on 10 meters.Also, in rugby union or rugby league, if you interfere with the ball or prevent the other team from playing on after the referee has blown for an infringement you are immediately penalised.
In football, interrupting play is normal now. Why is it so bad? Is it the referees being weak?
It’s a pain in the arse and wish it would stop.
Easy to sort - mark where the free kick wall is to be and the taker can move any distance away from the wall and the goal. Backchat within 10 yards of the penalty box results in a penalty. The coaches will soon stamp it out.As already stated they experimented this in England over ten years ago then binned it. One reason was players sometimes gave the backchat deliberately to try and nullify the free kick specialists
Done similar myselfI remember losing my rag at the ref once and lost my team 40m. I wasn’t popular in the dressing room that day.
By the laws of the game it WAS a knock-on. Rees-Zammit knocked the ball on and had to gain control of it before it hit the ground or another player. He didn't do that.
A very similar incident happened in the Ireland / England match yesterday which resulted in a disallowed try for Earls' fine finish from Sexton's cross field kick.
The Irish forward ran onto a pass failing to gather the ball, knocking it forward and then batting it backward over his head to Healey. It was given as a knock-on because he didn't regain control after knocking on and before it hit another player (Healey), or the ground (as in the RZ knock-on).
Correct decision.
That's how the would should have happened to when RZ knocked on.
Was it ever!I remember my 1st Rugby game at amateur level. The ref made a decision against me which I thought he was wrong. With my football head on I said something along the lines of "ffs ref you're taking the piss". My coach did not let my feet touch the ground! Gave me an almighty bollocking about respect for the refs. It is a different culture but, I'd say rugby has got it right... (apart from when Aus knocked Sco out of the world cup quarter finals in 2015, that was a ref cock-up!)
Fair point,but they should be professional enough to explain decisions as this no accountability is no use. Everyone else in the game is,so why aren't they.Are most Rugby refs not well respected as they played the game to a high level?
Our referees come from nowhere and seem to go through more training in how to act the lady's front bottom than how to officiate!
When Zammit dropped the ball it went backwards. It hit his leg and was kicked forward as if he’d hacked it on - that was the ref & 4th officials interpretation anyway. Wasn’t a try for me as I thought he’d lost control.