Apart from you couldn’t have.He's absolutely failed. At Bayern and City. Most overhyped manager on the planet. I could have won the CL with that Barcelona team.
Apart from you couldn’t have.He's absolutely failed. At Bayern and City. Most overhyped manager on the planet. I could have won the CL with that Barcelona team.
Yip, if you don’t have ‘early’ Jose M like success you are basically s as failure for the big sidesSad reflection on where football is when not winning the Champions League / European Cup is classed as "failure".
Where does this leave the Fair play regulations with these super rich clubs?With reports today that Man City are ready "to spend big" after yet another failure to win the Champions League - which was the sole reason Pep was brought to the club, I was curious how much failure costs.
The answer is £773,679,000. That's how much Pep has spent on players during his 5 seasons, add in agents fee and all the youth players they've snapped up for "undisclosed" fees and you'll looking at close to a BILLION pounds. And of course wages on top of that, but I suppose that depends whether they were payed by City or by one of the owners many companies.
Not bad going to be in the exact same position as they were before Pep took over.
He's absolutely failed. At Bayern and City. Most overhyped manager on the planet. I could have won the CL with that Barcelona team.
Fair play regulations are a joke. Man City were found guilty of breaching them but got it overturned on the technicality that UEFA took too long to bring a case. They just find ways to manipulate it.Where does this leave the Fair play regulations with these super rich clubs?
Not a fan of City at all but to be fair have Man Utd not spent similar amounts recently to win only a league cup and a Europa League.
And to have the pleasure of having OGS as there manager
Why's he a 'retard' exactly?And the retard of the day award goes to...
BTW when he took over at Barca they'd just finished 3rd/4th in the league. He arrived and had a clear out of guys like Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Deco.
Put his faith in La Masia graduates and created the best club side the world's ever seen.
I think City should get rid of him maybe their fans would laugh at that ofcourse its their view thats important thats all the matters.
He plays nice stuff, has done ok overall but tactically i wonder if hes got any... it was obvious Chelsea would beat them and probably will next season too.
Hes a bit like Keegan i think with a much greater advantage over the rest of the sides, yes he won it ofcourse thats the difference i dont think he will again though. Next season could be tough and his chance of CL with City seems to have gone.
Liverpool will be much stronger id guess, and if Man Utd or even Arsenal go find a good manager which they should have done a while back, they could take over City too...Chelsea can beat them every day of the week if they fancy it. Maybe hes thinking of bolting he seems a clever guy it would be the right time to get out head for Italy, America, Russia find the next club that has a huge advantage over the rest of the clubs and cash in again.
Why's he a 'retard' exactly?
Its just weird how wound up in defence of precious Pep folk get when this subject comes up.
Yep they could a lot of us are saying because of the manager they wont.This smooth brained idea that Pep is only hired to win the Champions League is one of the biggest misnomers in football. He was hired to win Trophies. He's delivered that for City as he did previously for Bayern and Barca. He wasn't hired just to deliver Champions League titles. They also extended his contract a while back, I'm sure they are utterly devastated to only win 3 of the last available 5 league titles. The way City are set up, they could dominate English football for the next decade and they've got the resources to achieve that.
Honestly some of the shite you read on here is amazing. We out spent most clubs in the UK in the early 90s and had a free hit at the European Cup/Champions League. Is Walter a fraud for only winning domestic trophies and failing to win a European trophy?
Agree, them morons over the city have spent almost as much on winning nothing.See a lot of these types of posts on social media. It's almost like Man City are the only team in the world that spend money.
Do you honestly, deep down, think he was serious? If so, it's no him that's the retard pal.He thinks he would've done the same job as Pep when he took over at Barca. That's why.
Hope Conte doesn't agree terms. Spurs don't deserve Don Conte.Man Utd should let ole go and get Conte signed up before Spurs(he probably wont agree terms with them anyway).
That would be 3 clubs with better tactics than City and the squad to better them next season.
Yep they could a lot of us are saying because of the manager they wont.
And the point about walter, obviously before your time which is fair enough, walter got slaughtered for results in europe we lost to some absolute crap.
A bit of an odd point to make some people do lose their discipline at any mention of Pep being overrated though.
And dt17 i said if Man Utd or Arsenal change manager you have dived in fizzin and not read it properly.
I read the other day that the City Group is now valued at $5 Billion, so I’m pretty sure the owners will be delighted.With reports today that Man City are ready "to spend big" after yet another failure to win the Champions League - which was the sole reason Pep was brought to the club, I was curious how much failure costs.
The answer is £773,679,000. That's how much Pep has spent on players during his 5 seasons, add in agents fee and all the youth players they've snapped up for "undisclosed" fees and you'll looking at close to a BILLION pounds. And of course wages on top of that, but I suppose that depends whether they were payed by City or by one of the owners many companies.
Not bad going to be in the exact same position as they were before Pep took over.
The cult haha.Do you honestly, deep down, think he was serious? If so, it's no him that's the retard pal.
Haha it's incredible how wound up his cult get when the enemy of the cult dare criticise or make fun of the great leader. Got a Sturgeon/Trump cult feel to it.
The cult haha.
Failure after delivering their first title in three years, 3/5 titles, doubles, a treble, add in the community shields and runner up in CL which going by this thread some seem to think is easy to win. Then you get to how they play and have improved, the youth system improving around it as well I’d imagine.Apparently believing Pep Guardiola is one of the best managers in the world, now means you've been brain washed.
Follow Follow, one of the few football forums in the world, where you will see a thread with the title 'Do you watch any other football, other than our games?'...
Naw, I just thought 'cult' genuinely sounded more apt considering we're talking about grown men fanboys who take it personally when someone doesn't share their God-like view of the Pep.Apparently believing Pep Guardiola is one of the best managers in the world, now means you've been brain washed.
Naw, I just thought 'cult' genuinely sounded more apt considering we're talking about grown men fanboys who take it personally when someone doesn't share their God-like view of the Pep.
What are these totally, uninformed opinions exactly? Uninformed? Really? Pep was brought in to win the CL, with his talents and unlimited resources, they seemingly operate different from everyone else, the league titles and cups were effectively a given over the long run. Its 5 years and a half billion net spend later and they still haven't reached the holy grail and its mostly down to his own mind boggling decisions pre-kick off. So in that respect, yes, he has failed. He was the one that messed up the team on Saturday night and cost them dearly, just as he did against Spurs 2 seasons ago and Lyon(?) last season.I just think it's utterly ridiculous that some people look at the body of work of a manager, such as Pep Guardiola's and come away with totally uninformed opinions based on emotive reasoning. If that's failure, then I'm going to have to question what people consider success to be.
People are entitled to their opinion, but when you post a thread with a provocative title like OP did, then expect people to scrutinise your opinion. I haven't seen anyone fanboy over him at all. Only people scrutinising OP's opinion. Which is not the same thing.
I can think of areas where Pep Guardiola deserves legit criticism, but to deem him a failure at Manchester City is ludicrous imo.
With reports today that Man City are ready "to spend big" after yet another failure to win the Champions League - which was the sole reason Pep was brought to the club, I was curious how much failure costs.
The answer is £773,679,000. That's how much Pep has spent on players during his 5 seasons, add in agents fee and all the youth players they've snapped up for "undisclosed" fees and you'll looking at close to a BILLION pounds. And of course wages on top of that, but I suppose that depends whether they were payed by City or by one of the owners many companies.
Not bad going to be in the exact same position as they were before Pep took over.
What are these totally, uninformed opinions exactly? Uninformed? Really? Pep was brought in to win the CL, with his talents and unlimited resources, they seemingly operate different from everyone else, the league titles and cups were effectively a given over the long run. Its 5 years and a half billion net spend later and they still haven't reached the holy grail and its mostly down to his own mind boggling decisions pre-kick off. So in that respect, yes, he has failed. He was the one that messed up the team on Saturday night and cost them dearly, just as he did against Spurs 2 seasons ago and Lyon(?) last season.
Rodgers was hailed as some football genius up here as well when in reality he was just a good coach in a league of shit coaches who he also vastly outspent while also vastly underachieving in Europe, was also brought in to do well in europe funnily enough.
Do you honestly, deep down, think he was serious? If so, it's no him that's the retard pal.
Haha it's incredible how wound up his cult get when the enemy of the cult dare criticise or make fun of the great leader. Got a Sturgeon/Trump cult feel to it.
That doesn't say much. Stockport County used to beat them regularly and were actually in a higher league at one point.I wouldn’t say he’s failed when he’s became their most successful manager ever.
Errors you don't expect a highly rewarded, top manager to make and to repeat.So this season alone City are the champions of England and won the League cup, hardly a failure of a season. Pep has been at the helm for 3 league titles in 5 years and several cups so this is success. The Champions League is hard to win and they reached the final, the best they have ever done. No doubt the owners want to win the Champions League, however it is a cup competition and to be the champions of your country is the most important thing. City hadn't won the league title for a few years before Pep took over. I do agree, however, with some pundits who believe he over thinks his tactics for some of the big games, not playing a holding midfielder or a centre forward in the final was an error.
Wigan beat them in the FA Cup final ffs.Yes he has. He was hired explicitly to win the Champions League, he has failed to do so - including being knocked out by teams with a fraction of his budget. They were winning league titles & domestic trophies and failing in europe under Mancini & Pellegrini. Not much has changed, except the football is a bit easier on the eye.
Rangers did, but our ultimate aim was to win the European Cup/ Champions League under Holmes and Murray, does that make Souness, Smith and Advocaat failures.He was brought in to win the champions league, he has failed to do it
You don't bring him and spend fortunes just to win domestically
No City are spending obscene amounts of money, putting themselves up there with the other elite and super rich clubs like PSG, Bayern, Juve, Real, etc.Rangers did, but our ultimate aim was to win the European Cup/ Champions League under Holmes and Murray, does that make Souness, Smith and Advocaat failures.
Uninformed in the sense that you look at things entirely from one angle and fail to consider any other factors.
If you think Pep was brought in to solely win the Champions League then I don't know what to tell you. I disagree with that notion entirely. Hence I disagreed with the entire premise of OP's post. I don't think anyone ever gets tasked with winning a Champions League title as their sole remit. Sure the press can speculate that to be the case, but it's simply not. If his remit was simply to win the Champions League then why have they persisted with him and gave him a new contract? Why did Bayern wish to extend his contract beyond his initial time there as well?
He's won 3 Premier League titles in a very short amount of time there, how is that a failure? Particularly in a league awash with money with several potential title challengers, you cannot call that a given, not even slightly. Klopp and Conte are the only two managers who have bested him in his time in the Premier League, think we'd both agree that they are World Class managers. So in what sense was it a given they should win the League? Prior to Pep's arrival they had only won 2 Premier League titles in total.
They've spent massively, so much so, that they basically have two teams worth of players that could feasibly compete in any competition and win it. That's purely looking at things on paper though. In the time City have spent this money, Manchester United, Barca, Real, Juve, PSG, Chelsea and Bayern have all spent massive amounts of money on wages and transfer fees as well. So lets not kid ourselves on here that Manchester City have had a free hit at the Champions League since Pep arrived. They haven't. I agree he's absolutely contributed to their shortcomings in Europe in his time there by making baffling tactical decisions in the knock out stages of the CL but you cannot completely dismiss his domestic success. I can comfortably say he's failed in one metric of his job and that's only so far. If he wins the Champions League next season, is it still a failure?
I would fully understand the Pep's a failure because he hasn't won the Champions League with Manchester City argument. If the last 5 Champions League titles had been won at least once by a side who had fluked their way to winning it. That's not the case though. Real Madrid, Liverpool, Bayern Munich and Chelsea are all very good teams. It's the best club cup competition in the world for a reason and it's very difficult to win it. Hence the achievements by the likes of Guardiola, Zidane, Mourinho, Ancelotti and Sir Alex Ferguson are so revered because they won it multiple times throughout their careers.
Can’t wait to see if anyone’s brave enough to give you an answer here. Will take some amount of spin to give you even a halfway credible one.Rangers did, but our ultimate aim was to win the European Cup/ Champions League under Holmes and Murray, does that make Souness, Smith and Advocaat failures.
No City are spending obscene amounts of money, putting themselves up there with the other elite and super rich clubs like PSG, Bayern, Juve, Real, etc.
While we outspent Celtic and Dundee United we weren’t spending at the level of teams like AC Milan or Man U. We should have done better in Europe in the 90s. I thought we did pretty well with Advocaat but they ended in glorious failures. Again the gulf was increasing with the top clubs and we more than held our own. A little more luck and we could have cruised through (was it Bayern we out played and still lost?).
I love how not winning the Champions League is bandied about as a complete failure. Only 3 have ever won it 3 times, and Anchelotti is the only one of those to win it with 3 clubs. Only 5 managers have ever won it with 2 clubs yet Guardiola is seen as a failure every year because he hasn't done what only 1 other person has done in 70 years.
It is the notion of too many modern football fans that flip flop their opinions after a month of good or bad form.
In 1986 and after we were the highest spenders in Britain, the remit was to win the European Cup so no amount of revisionism will change that. You say glorious failure, in other words we failed. If Guardiola has failed then the same applies elsewhere, that includes Souness, Smith and Advocaat if European Cup success is the criteria as to the success or failure of a manager.No City are spending obscene amounts of money, putting themselves up there with the other elite and super rich clubs like PSG, Bayern, Juve, Real, etc.
While we outspent Celtic and Dundee United we weren’t spending at the level of teams like AC Milan or Man U. We should have done better in Europe in the 90s. I thought we did pretty well with Advocaat but they ended in glorious failures. Again the gulf was increasing with the top clubs and we more than held our own. A little more luck and we could have cruised through (was it Bayern we out played and still lost?).
You wouldn’t be saying that if the money was availableIt’s sickening in my opinion and makes me hate these teams
Yes he has. He was hired explicitly to win the Champions League, he has failed to do so - including being knocked out by teams with a fraction of his budget. They were winning league titles & domestic trophies and failing in europe under Mancini & Pellegrini. Not much has changed, except the football is a bit easier on the eye.
Always use the best lawyers money can buyFair play regulations are a joke. Man City were found guilty of breaching them but got it overturned on the technicality that UEFA took too long to bring a case. They just find ways to manipulate it.