TCWNS1872
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No Sandy Jardine. That’s for sure.Wish Stuart Kennedy hadn't had one.
No Sandy Jardine. That’s for sure.Wish Stuart Kennedy hadn't had one.
“Yes” to paragraph one and a “yes. Absolutely incredibly and unbelievably true” to paragraph two.I think I'm right in saying Tommy McLean got all his Scotland caps as a Kilmarnock player and never again played for Scotland after he played for Rangers.
Considering what he achieved at Ibrox and how good a player he was, that is incredible.
A good call,but bear in mind he had players like Baxter,Dave McKay and John White who were around at that time.Billy Stevenson.
That’s fucking tragicTom Boyd and Tosh McKinlay.
I had no idea he was right footedAnd by that, Brown meant a left footed left back as opposed to a right footed one in Tom Boyd.
A penny for Davie Robertson’s thoughts on that one.
But DJ was top scorer in Scotland that year, did go to Argentina but Ally never played him.Gordon Smith 27 goals in 77-78 season and never got to the World Cup in Argentina
You could build any team around someone like JB.Indeed, I've known JB since his Hamilton days, I think in his case he was viewed by Brown as a bit ''difficult'', not one of the team, which seems ludicrous given his standing in an all conquering Rangers side.
I was at both these games. Scotland were utter dross in Athens (to go with the greek fans ultra aggression) and you could see the Belgium defeat coming a mile off with 30 mins left and us ahead from pressure down our right flank and he refused to do anything. I think a draw would have been good for us. Overrated manager.I remember a World Cup qualifier away in Greece where we got beat 1-0. After the match Brown was asked about the game and he said "we won more corners than them!"...
Brown's time was up when he let a 2 goal lead go against a 10 man Belgium team. Useless.
Dave Smith was Scotland's Footballer of the year in 1972, and arguably the best Player in Britain that season, and yet Tommy Docherty opted to partner his favoured Centre Half Eddie Colquhoun, withDave Smith was brilliant especially in Barcelona assisted with 2 goals and mentored D J through the game.
absolutely, during that dark period Fleck would have been our number 9 for years such was the dearth of quality. i thought you were suggesting he was overlooked because he was a Rangers playerI agree that he wasn’t better than the players listed.
The point I was trying to make, albeit clumsily, was if Gerry Crainey or Mark Burchill managed caps on form, surely the same logic could’ve been applied to Robert Fleck.
But essentially I agree with you, Robert Fleck though a good player, wasn’t anywhere near good enough to be an international mainstay.
Talksport loyalAntti Niemi
Playing for Rangers? Nope, not for me.Dougie Bell.
That's cos Docherty was a fat, alkie bigot.Dave Smith was Scotland's Footballer of the year in 1972, and arguably the best Player in Britain that season, and yet Tommy Docherty opted to partner his favoured Centre Half Eddie Colquhoun, with
Martin Buchan, Pat Stanton or Bobby Moncur, whilst completely ignoring Dave Smith (and most other Rangers players).
Playing for Rangers? Nope, not for me.
My recollection is that Robertson was second choice LB to Boyd. As is convention second choice plays in friendlies but Broon picked the Motherwell LB, possibly Rab McKinnon, for a game and Robbo told Broon only to pick him if he was getting a game. That meant the best LB and CH weren't picked, because Broon was a stubborn ass.Who was keeping him out the team?
Again, a time when Scotland had an abundance at wing-half meant he was probably unlucky.I don't think the great Harold Davis ever got capped.
Why he wasnt capped is totally beyond meJohn Brown without question should have been capped
Cooper was pretty much burnt out by the time he got to us. A lot of that young Aberdeen team burnt out early. Cooper, Hewitt, Black to name a few.1990 Roy Aitken went to the World Cup and Neale Cooper was at Rangers, although I agree his early career with Aberdeen should have seen him capped.
Tommy McLean was a hugely underrated player. One of my favourites when I was about 8 years old“Yes” to paragraph one and a “yes. Absolutely incredibly and unbelievably true” to paragraph two.
He did mate, I’ve referred to it earlier in the thread.Cant help but jump on the John Brown bandwagon. I had my doubts when he signed but it turned out one of the best 300ks we ever spent. The man was an absolute rock. Travesty that he was never capped. Dont think he even made a squad.
Scottish League CapPlayed 2 games though
Nah he's finished.....Antti Niemi
That was an absolute scandal, best left back in Scotland in the last 30 years imo, Stevens and Robertson were miles ahead of tav and borna, in fact ahead of most modern day full backsDavie Robertson was only capped 3 times. Thats a staggeringly low number considering we were winning 9 in a row and he was a huge part of that down the left with God
That’s because you’d have been taller than him by then!Tommy McLean was a hugely underrated player. One of my favourites when I was about 8 years old
Definitely true.Good shout, there is a real bias against late bloomers in international football. He would have been deserving of a cap over players like Holt and Quashie when Rae was at Wolves.
DJ got more but shouldn’t have bothered going!Gordon Smith 27 goals in 77-78 season and never got to the World Cup in Argentina
You are having a wee whoosh moment methinks. There is a near legendary radio phone-in with a caller demanding that Niemi be capped for Scotland. On being told that he is Finnish the caller responds that he is not finished; he is only 28! Fortunately the caller seemed to be a Jambo and not a Bear.
Looking at the list of those defenders who regularly played, I always wonder why David Robertson only got three caps for Scotland. Was the best full back in the country during our 9 in a row era but Tom Boyd and Tosh McKinlay were playing ahead of him.John Brown is the major stand out for me. He could play in just about any position, and you know he would have given 100% - a great utility man and you need that at international level.
However he was bypassed for the likes of Tosh McKinlay, Tom Boyd, Brian Irvine, Derek Whyte and many other diddies.
Brian Martin of Motherwell....John Brown is the major stand out for me. He could play in just about any position, and you know he would have given 100% - a great utility man and you need that at international level.
However he was bypassed for the likes of Tosh McKinlay, Tom Boyd, Brian Irvine, Derek Whyte and many other diddies.
But he looked the part. Well known defender who never got his shorts dirty!12 caps. Shocking.
Robertson's final ball was not as good as what Barasic and Tav ping in. Granted he could take off up those flanks but his distribution was mainly restricted to punts up the inside left channel. Check out the goal we chucked to Marseille out there as but one example.That was an absolute scandal, best left back in Scotland in the last 30 years imo, Stevens and Robertson were miles ahead of tav and borna, in fact ahead of most modern day full backs
Never a truer word spoken sir.Bobby Russell is the most outrageous omission.
Roy Aitken from the same era got over 50 caps.
Absolutely fucking bonkers.
Biggest whoosh I’ve ever, ever seen
I’d say he’s slightly short of barisic on delivery, but defensively far more secure, I know who I’d rather have in my team, hugely underrated which is probably compounded by his lack of capsRobertson's final ball was not as good as what Barasic and Tav ping in. Granted he could take off up those flanks but his distribution was mainly restricted to punts up the inside left channel. Check out the goal we chucked to Marseille out there as but one example.
But there is also the you'll never win anything with kids attitude with many a young player not chosen because experience wins games. See Paterson, gilmour just now. Unless of course you think "theres a buzz about the place"Definitely true.
Scottish mentality.
If you’re not a star at 21, maybe 23, you’ll never make it.
4 Scottish league capsScottish League Cap
Treble winner ? Deserved capsWish Stuart Kennedy hadn't had one.
Not even same position ones a goalie lolNo Sandy Jardine. That’s for sure.
Just the one cap I'm objecting to.Treble winner ? Deserved caps
Still deserved to play in that game and it wasn’t all his fault defence was terrible that day and England were brilliant.Just the one cap I'm objecting to.