Glen Kamara couldn't get a game for Dundee before we signed him. What's your point?You are missing the original point
Kai Kennedy has been highly rated for the past 2/3 years and picked by many as the next breakout star at Ibrox
In this time he has been loaned to ICT and raith rovers in which he struggled to get a game for both
He has now in his 3rd season on loan been sent to Dunfermline
A team that is on a par with the two he’s been at previously and not a step up in any sense
I find it hard to believe a player as apparently highly rated as Kennedy should be going to Dunfermline when you hear shouts he’s not far away from our first team
Its strange with all the interest in him and his good performances last season that we could no secure him a loan at Premiership level but Williamson managed to get Livi maybe loaning him to Dunfermline is more nuanced than that and they perhaps will develop him in the way we are looking for .
Pick 6 starters, then 6 subs fromIm not saying he will because obvs he wont, Im saying the opportunity to give him those is certainly there but it takes a bit of a rethink in terms of how you want to develop the player.
Rangers will surely have at least 3 ties in the domestic cups, so 6 games. At home to the likes of Ross County, Dundee, St Mirren, can we not afford to play someone like KK? Thatd be another 6 min. If he did well why not play him in others?
It wont happen of course but really playing for Dunfermline in the Scottish Championship wont move him forward an inch closer to being Rangers ready so whats the point?
100%Pick 6 starters, then 6 subs from
Davis Lundstrum Kamara
Kent Morelos Roofe
Jack Arfield Aribo
Wright Sakala Itten
Hagi Defoe Kelly
The above 15 are all ahead of Kennedy. Where will he play ? You're 2 0 at home to Ross County, who does SG pick to go on, Kennedy or Itten or Defoe or Wright ?
I have excluded Hastie, Barker, Jones and Middleton who've no future at Ibrox.
He's not making it with us then
This all day long. Look at the b team it’s not about the level they play against it’s about playing real football that means more than youth games. We seem to send players either to managers/teams we trust or to ones that play football the way we want.I'm not sure I buy into this idea that going on loan to Dunfermline won't give him any chance to learn, improve & develop while there -
Sure it would be great if he was really tested at a bigger club with better opponents & with a higher standard of teammate around him
But then there would presumably be less chance of regularly starting or getting as many minutes game time
I can see the Pars having a relatively high pressure season while they make another push for outright promotion or play-off place -
Seems to me this is a good environment to be tested in & if you can't learn from that experience then I'm not sure being at a higher placed team who are fighting relegation is going to be a better experience or environment to learn in ?
Just my opinion - but I also suspect that if you're any good - you need to prove yourself whatever the task is - whether it's considered easier or not
Why not more of that quote instead of everyone looking for holes in a move that let's the kid play and express himself .All the very best Kai!
1 season on loan .I have never even heard of a bid being knocked back but not saying it never happened
There has been 3 different figures in this thread already about how much it actually was
If we leave it long enough I’m sure that will change another few times again
I don’t see Kai Kennedy making it with us but i hope I am wrong
Hes 19 now and has spent last 2 seasons at ICT then raith rovers
He is now going to Dunfermline I would have expected a player of his ability to be stepping up in quality not staying where he was 2 years previously
You talk nonsense the boy played every game he was available on loan .You are missing the original point
Kai Kennedy has been highly rated for the past 2/3 years and picked by many as the next breakout star at Ibrox
In this time he has been loaned to ICT and raith rovers in which he struggled to get a game for both
He has now in his 3rd season on loan been sent to Dunfermline
A team that is on a par with the two he’s been at previously and not a step up in any sense
I find it hard to believe a player as apparently highly rated as Kennedy should be going to Dunfermline when you hear shouts he’s not far away from our first team
Can't understand it if we have turned down a seven figure bid just to send him to a second division side. He'll be on the final year of his deal after the loan, his pathway blocked to the first team and he seems to want away, i also don't think passing him around the championship does a whole lot of good for him either. For a club who need to start selling players but can't get the fees we want for the Morelos or Kamara's this doesn't make a lot of sense.
When you fall in a hole stop digging is usually a good place to start. You are going at it like a wee JCBExactly mate
We have a poster on here that has just tried to compare the rise of Maddison from Norwich to Leicester with Andy Robertson’s from Queen’s Park to Liverpool
Think that tells you everything you need to know
He also stated the rise of Andy Roberson happens regularly
Brilliant stuff
Who needs a comedy club
if the rumours are true about west ham bidding 1million they obviously see a player thereHe's still young, so there is a chance, although it is looking more unlikely, I agree.
When you fall in a hole stop digging is usually a good place to start. You are going at it like a wee JCB
if the rumours are true about west ham bidding 1million they obviously see a player there
and if hes good enough for them why wouldnt he be good enough for us ?
I've already said he may be, but there's no question his progression and development has stalled, compared to the likes of Patterson and Williamson, for example.
He could still get back on track and hopefully he does.
As for the £1 million bid, I've not seen it confirmed anywhere.
I've already said he may be, but there's no question his progression and development has stalled, compared to the likes of Patterson and Williamson, for example.
He could still get back on track and hopefully he does.
As for the £1 million bid, I've not seen it confirmed
Your man says nothing good of any other youth other than Paterson.His size and stature need taken into consideration. Scottish football is highly physical and intense. The more physical and fit you are, the easier it is to produce technically. Williamson and Patterson are physically imposing and very athletic for their age. Kennedy isnt. He needs to develop physically, before he can impose himself technically, first.
I know you werent writing him off, but football isnt simply "good player/bad player". The nuance is often missed. If Kai Kennedy is a star for Dunfermline in the championship at 19. He has every chance making it here.
What a load of shiteYour man says nothing good of any other youth other than Paterson.
How are you dad
His size and stature need taken into consideration. Scottish football is highly physical and intense. The more physical and fit you are, the easier it is to produce technically. Williamson and Patterson are physically imposing and very athletic for their age. Kennedy isnt. He needs to develop physically, before he can impose himself technically, first.
I know you werent writing him off, but football isnt simply "good player/bad player". The nuance is often missed. If Kai Kennedy is a star for Dunfermline in the championship at 19. He has every chance making it here.
What is it they say about first posts?Players at us who are 19/20 getting loaned to teams like Dunfermline just screams to me they won’t make it with us
Hope I am wrong though
Can't understand it if we have turned down a seven figure bid just to send him to a second division side. He'll be on the final year of his deal after the loan, his pathway blocked to the first team and he seems to want away, i also don't think passing him around the championship does a whole lot of good for him either. For a club who need to start selling players but can't get the fees we want for the Morelos or Kamara's this doesn't make a lot of sense.
No point in him not playing regularly or playing in a team that’s defending most of the time or trying not to lose...how will that prepare a young forward for Rangers? I imagine our manager and back room team, his agent and Kai himself see the merits in this option. That’ll do for me for now.I have never even heard of a bid being knocked back but not saying it never happened
There has been 3 different figures in this thread already about how much it actually was
If we leave it long enough I’m sure that will change another few times again
I don’t see Kai Kennedy making it with us but i hope I am wrong
Hes 19 now and has spent last 2 seasons at ICT then raith rovers
He is now going to Dunfermline I would have expected a player of his ability to be stepping up in quality not staying where he was 2 years previously
No point in him not playing regularly or playing in a team that’s defending most of the time or trying not to lose...how will that prepare a young forward for Rangers? I imagine our manager and back room team, his agent and Kai himself see the merits in this option. That’ll do for me for now.
I don't see how anyone can think he has a future at the club, it's not even a knock on the player. The position he plays has Kent, Aribo, Wright, Hagi, Sakala, Roofe and Itten as options ahead of him. He will also only have a year left on his deal after his loan, it wasn't easy getting him to sign his current deal, him being no closer to the first team will make it harder to keep him even if those at the club do rate him. McPake has been able to get moves to League 2 and now League 1 down in England but we're sticking Kennedy in the Scottish Championship for his 3rd straight loan.Surely it’s exactly the opposite? We turned down the money because we think he has a future at the club & has been sent to Dunfermline to progress & get game time.
Not much to understand really.
No, at 19/20 very few are ready to make the leap the first team. This is a good step forward.Players at us who are 19/20 getting loaned to teams like Dunfermline just screams to me they won’t make it with us
Hope I am wrong though
That's another factor in why I think this is the wrong move for him. This is his 2nd season in the Championship and his third club there. He'll probably need to stand out and be a star for Dunfermline to be in with any chance of staking a claim for a full time first team squad place.His size and stature need taken into consideration. Scottish football is highly physical and intense. The more physical and fit you are, the easier it is to produce technically. Williamson and Patterson are physically imposing and very athletic for their age. Kennedy isnt. He needs to develop physically, before he can impose himself technically, first.
I know you werent writing him off, but football isnt simply "good player/bad player". The nuance is often missed. If Kai Kennedy is a star for Dunfermline in the championship at 19. He has every chance making it here.
We are also talking about a Kai Kennedy here that played with raith and ict the past two seasons and struggled to get a game
Definetly
Don’t see many Kai Kennedy’s still playing at near enough 40 right enough
Bit different but I’m sure you already knew that
If you read the Rangers statement about the loan they mention that the playing style and quality grass pitch are why he’s been sent there
strange that Ben Williamson has been allowed to go to Livi in that case